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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:23 PM Original message |
Obama voted against a 30 percent cap on credit card interest. Why? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
1. Because he thought it was too high, and might supersede lower state limits. |
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itsrobert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. Why would it supersede state law for a lower rate? |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. This was a poorly written amendment that would have worked differently |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #13 |
36. Federal law pre-empts state law |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:46 PM Original message |
Okay, so if federal law pre-empts state law, |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
48. Because then there's no cap at all. |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. This is too complex for some, I am afraid |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. We are playing Obama-style politics. Only we are doing it to St. Obama this time. Whats the matter? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. No, you're misleading and then blaming it on Obama. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Like the Obama campaign has done with Edwards and Hillary |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Anyone can point to things any candidate has said |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Obamites have swiftboated Edwards for a year. Now it is time for us to flyspeck Obama's record |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Again, there is a difference between protesting bullshit and spewing bullshit. |
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Scriptor Ignotus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #33 |
62. so now you admit you're just making up bullshit? |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #33 |
74. so HRC and JRE can vote for a similar bill in 2001 |
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madmunchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
78. Too bad even people on DU don't get this. It seems to always boil down to simple answers for simple |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 07:17 PM Response to Reply #14 |
82. Do you NOT understand federal preemption? |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 06:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
80. If that were true, why were the Republicans, to a person, against the cap? nt |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
2. Cuz he couldn't vote "Present" |
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madmunchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 06:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
79. Yeah, that .03775% of "present" votes really shows how bad his record really is. |
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Levgreee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
3. Because if you reach a settlement, then the issue begins to get dismissed |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
4. He answered your question last night in the debate. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Did he do anything to lower the cap? Or was it just another excuse? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. Obama voted for ten other amendments to lower the cap, but they all failed. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
5. Because he wanted it lower........which is why |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. That has been answered a a bajillion times. It is time to flyspeck Obama's record |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #8 |
23. Flyspeck away on this one - OBAMA MADE THE RIGHT VOTE. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #23 |
63. ... for MBNA. nt |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
18. He voted for no limit for the credit card companies |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. No, he voted against raising their limit in many states. |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #21 |
40. That's completely untrue |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. Many Senators, Kerry and Obama included, disagreed with your assuredly-valid legal opinion. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Since when do what other Senators think matter in the Obama game of flyspecking votes? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Disagreeing with your candidate's interpretation is not the same as failure to recognize |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. No, he voted against a bill that would have established limits no higher than 30% |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #26 |
42. So he preferred they not have any limits at all? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. He voted for 10 amendments that would have added a cap. |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
6. Baloney. But nice try. He wasn't willing to settle for such a high cap, and |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
7. I find this attack hilarious, especially given that the people making it |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
10. Duh... He thought it was too high |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Did he do anything to lower it? As Hillary noted, Obama always has an "explanation" |
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Levgreee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
27. Obama always has an "explanation" because |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Bull. His explanation on Peru trade was very bogus |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Those goalpoasts must be very heavy. |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #12 |
56. Wait a minute. Hillary voted for the cap to be 30% |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Changing the maximum interest rate from NO limit |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
11. Here: |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Wait a minute, ProSense |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. I'm suggesting that Hillary is distorting the facts. n/t |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. ProSense is it sensible to look at those things, as well as who else voted for it? |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
16. The amendment would have superceded state usury laws where some states have lower interest ceilings. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. Wait a minute. You are suggesting we need to look at who else voted with a given Senator? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. This is a rather pathetic turnaround, even for you. |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. give it time. The clone army is being rebuilt, each time with a little less quality control |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #32 |
44. Obamites are so blinded by their self-righteousness they are missing the point here |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. What makes you think |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #25 |
67. On consumer issues, |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #16 |
41. State usury laws are already |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #16 |
58. So, Clinton voted for it? |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. You are still confused about the Dayton Amendment? |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. No, sorry |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #59 |
72. And here's the amendment: |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 06:41 PM Response to Reply #72 |
81. Ah |
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BenDavid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
37. This is where obama was incoherent and where edwards made |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Here: |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. Indeed gibberish is one with the O |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
38. Because there had been no hearings, no examination of the issue, |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. You are suggesting context, legislative history, and the like matter when examining a vote? |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. Shockingly, yes. n/t |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Too bad Obamites couldn't bring themselves to do that regarding Hillary and Edwards flyspecked vote |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Sure we did. We argued context endlessly. |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
51. This is why it is better to get an ARM with NO CAP than one with one... |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #51 |
66. I thought this was about credit card rates. Did it include mortgages and equity lines? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
64. It is too high. The cap used to be 18% |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Not true. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Why is it not true? |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. It was true. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. I know that it's true today. One of my credit cards is starting |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. I think it's immoral |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. And it had a name usuary. It was illegal at one time.n/t |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
71. Do you support a freakin' 30% cap on credit card interest? |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. No |
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guerrillafiter (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
77. If this is true, it's troubling |
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