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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:24 AM Original message |
Double standard on DU, again: Obama was tough, Clinton was angry |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:25 AM Response to Original message |
1. Obama finally fought back |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:34 AM Response to Reply #1 |
51. Took him long enough! SC is his because of the divide. |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:25 AM Response to Original message |
2. Hillary was shrill! |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:26 AM Response to Original message |
3. Actually, that's a good point. |
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TheDonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:27 AM Response to Original message |
4. Hillary reminds more of MOM from Futurama. She acted bat-shit crazy |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:27 AM Response to Original message |
5. Depends on the DUers. For many, Clinton was "tough and cool," while Obama "fell apart." |
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BenDavid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 08:56 AM Response to Reply #5 |
34. HRC handed obama his ass several times last night. obama |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #34 |
64. Oh, I would not say that Obama is done |
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VarnettaTuckpocket (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:29 AM Response to Original message |
6. Well not for this DUer, I thought she was tough |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #6 |
66. She is beyond trying. She has proven herself tough and smart |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:30 AM Response to Original message |
7. She did well. He did well. So did Edwards. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:31 AM Response to Original message |
8. Well we should ALL be angry |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:33 AM Response to Original message |
9. There was a "harpy" thread somewhere too. Well said. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:34 AM Response to Original message |
10. It's not a gender thing, it's a charisma thing |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:36 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Of course it's not a gender thing. Just check this: |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:39 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. You're pasting in a cartoon? |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:24 AM Response to Reply #13 |
22. The guy who posted the spiderman/batman analogy is critical |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:34 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Um, what are you talking about? |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 08:08 AM Response to Reply #13 |
25. That is "not" a gender thing - not! |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
65. OK, I thought the cartoon was pretty weak but your stale Wayne's World callback really got me |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
67. Cartoon is just another form of editorial |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. I guess I was expecting some actual original thoughts, rather than a copy of someone else's work |
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Nailzberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:37 AM Response to Original message |
12. I wouldn't call it a double standard. The perception is based on prior performance. |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:28 AM Response to Reply #12 |
46. Very interesting point |
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tired_old_fireman (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:41 AM Response to Original message |
14. I was thinking the same thing |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:41 AM Response to Original message |
15. She was angry |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:44 AM Response to Original message |
16. She was angry. Bill was angry in Nevada and his wife was angry in South Carolina. |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:46 AM Response to Original message |
17. Hillary reminded me of Chris Wallace in the Bill Clinton interview. |
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Diane R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:29 AM Response to Original message |
18. No. The double standard would be letting Hillary get away with her lies just because she's a woman. |
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CelloPaddy (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:31 AM Response to Original message |
19. I would describe her voice as strident, that's not relevant though I know! nt |
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Unsane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:36 AM Response to Original message |
20. I agree with jgraz; it isn't a gender thing, it has to do with charisma |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:11 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. To me he seemed rattled. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:38 AM Response to Original message |
24. Obama kicked Hillary's ass...and she looked mad. |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:01 AM Response to Reply #24 |
35. she called out Obama on his BS.. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
26. playing the sexism card. Forget it. That dog won't hunt |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 08:27 AM Response to Original message |
27. I've been thinking about Clinton's strategy last night |
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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 08:30 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. She ruined the one thing that had started to save her campaign |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 08:44 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. That's one possibility |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #28 |
57. Read Carl Bernstein's "A Woman In Charge". |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:03 AM Response to Reply #27 |
36. good point. |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #27 |
60. I don't see that Obama has been left with much choice but to do that |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. I mostly agree with all that you said |
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denidem (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. Tom, I am continually impressed by your thoughtful posts. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 08:38 AM Response to Original message |
29. "Shrill" and "shrewish" have both been used |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
31. "shrill" "Shrew" "angry" "batshit crazy" |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
32. Hillary crossed the line. Obama did not. |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 08:55 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. It must get frustrating to have Obama keep changing his stories |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:04 AM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Hillary on the Wal-mart board was last century. Slums in Chicago have the roaches crawling |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:06 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. and while on the board.. |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:15 AM Response to Reply #37 |
42. So Obama is responsible not only for slums, but also for roaches? |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:28 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Obama is responsible for not doing something about it. Big difference. |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:11 AM Response to Reply #33 |
40. I notice how you are much more careful in choosing your words |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:13 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. if only.. |
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adapa (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
38. I sure people will say she was shrill- typical male responce to a strong woman |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:20 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. I'm a woman and not only was she shrill, she was annoyingly bitchy. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:30 AM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Did you just promote Obama from poster boy to saint? |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #49 |
62. Yeah, right. You know exactly what I mean. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
44. Nope, that playing of the "perpetual victim" card a la Penelope Pittstop is wearing thin. eom. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
45. Of the 3 candidates left the only one who ever loses his cool is Obama. He should get better control |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
48. Clinton was annoyed- Obama was ridiculous |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
50. Obama was defending himself |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:38 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. He is not choosing his battles wisely. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. who would we put up that wouldn't be |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:58 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Bashing Hillary is not supporting Obama. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. he's showing now |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
55. Nothing new!! |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
56. Not according to Munster,I'm sure. |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
59. Exactly. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
63. Some idiotic assclown even called her "hysterical" this morning. |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. In the old days, "hysterical" women underwent hysterectomy |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. This feminist knows the history of that term for sure. |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
68. Yahbut....Hillary was - unladylike - she should know her place - cookies and ironing shirts... |
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