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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:42 PM Original message |
What is Obama's beef with the Clinton era? |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. That it basically led nowhere |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Stupid people gave him a Republican Congress two years after he was elected. nt |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. The Clintons are and always will be blamless for the political problems that befell them |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:38 PM Response to Reply #6 |
44. The Clintons were partly responsible for the loss of Congress. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Both were good, progressive, ideas. nt |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. I disagree. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. 20/20 hindsight. They thought they had the momentum from thumping an incumbent prez. |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 05:11 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. That is where their lack of political acumen came in to play. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 08:29 PM Response to Reply #48 |
66. That Were Not Well Executed, Unfortunately |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. delete |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #44 |
58. heres a clue for you... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Due to the selection. If Gore won we would have had 8 more years of Clinton's policies |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Clinton was an albatross in the 2000 election |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. But not because of his record or his "recognizably progressive" policies |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
36. Hmmm - that's strange |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. The only re-write needed is from Clinton apologists |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. That was because of his indiscretions, not his "recognizably progressive" policies |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Which policies are you referring to that were so popular? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #8 |
41. And all polls showed he would have beaten Gore and Bush in 2000 - Don't fall for rt. wing lies. nt |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 08:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
80. An albatross indeed. Al Gore would have had a landslide. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 09:18 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. Gore would have had a landslide on Clinton's record |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. why would that be true? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Gore ran on Clinton's policies. They were ideological soulmates |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 08:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
70. Bingo! The intrerruption was via coup. |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. Why hasn't Hillary put a muzzle on Bill after she claimed a 'truce' agreement? huh? anyone answer t |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
21. Nothing progressive got done |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Barack Obama doesn't see it that way. He thought Clinton was a progressive |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #24 |
38. I don't n/t |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #24 |
47. Bill Clinton of DLC governed as Republican Lite. n/t |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Your avatar says his policies were progressive |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. And now they're older, richer and angrier |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 05:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
56. Obama began campaign telling Baby Boomers to get over themselves |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 08:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
67. You mean, because Bush stole the election from Gore???? |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
2. Don't worry, he's against the 60s too |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
3. That it was so successful Americans want to do it again. eom |
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jasmine621 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
4. One reason why I put HC ahead of Obama. He definitely is not ready |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. It takes a while to recognize that the pugs are incapable of acting in good faith |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
5. well he cant really go around saying the clinton years were great |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Obama's going around praising Reagan...so I guess the 80's were great times... |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. well thats the crazy part. i dont get that and I HATE HATE HATE reagan |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
33. The difference being he's not running against Reagan |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 08:25 PM Response to Reply #33 |
63. So that explains why Reagan's ass should be kissed by Obama? |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 08:38 PM Response to Reply #33 |
72. Except people who like Raygun, would never vote for a black guy - by definition! |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 08:57 PM Response to Reply #72 |
84. That's a minor detail that Obama has failed to understand... |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
31. Indeed. He's campaigning |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 08:39 PM Response to Reply #31 |
73. How about attack Bush and his surrogates now running? |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
13. I don't think Barack understands the Republican Party's nature as |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. I'd be surprised if he didn't understand the repukes. |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:38 PM Response to Reply #19 |
45. I pay him the respect of accepting that his philosophy is sincere |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
15. Thowing hundreds of thousands of poeple in jail is not progressive |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Barack Obama thinks Bill Clinton was progressive |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. In some areas, he was |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Your interpretation is less than worthless |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Barack Obama cleary says his policies were "recognizably progressive" |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. What else could he do? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Context |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. The context is Obama discussing Clinton in the "Audacity of Hope" |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
25. His beef is he prefers Reagan's legacy over Clinton's |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Which means he prefers debt and insolvency. |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #25 |
49. Have you listened to the audio from the interview? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 06:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
59. Nope....they haven't heard or seen it..... |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #59 |
77. Watched it. Raygun's clarity, optimism...then read this excerpt from Obama's book |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 08:27 PM Response to Reply #25 |
64. I could litteraly vomit just from thinking any Democrat would praise Reagan... |
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SoxFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 08:34 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Oh really? |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
32. It's not like Bill Clinton is being nasty to Obama or anything... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Obama began it when he flip flopped on the Clinton era |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
39. What is Obama not ready for? -> another 9-11- attacking Iran, Hillary's ready on that one...what |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 08:48 PM Response to Reply #39 |
81. What were Bush's credentials? - exactly! You made Hillary's point. |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
42. Hillary's last name is Clinton. |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
43. I'm less unenthused with Obama than with Clinton. |
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BenDavid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
55. For whatever reason obama likes about reagan it does say |
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SoxFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #55 |
71. Pardon me |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
57. The massive migration to the GOP that ensued....maybe? nt |
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Reciprocity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
60. He didn't like the peace or prosperity. n/t |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
61. Bill Clinton had no mandate and no coattails... |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 08:32 PM Response to Reply #61 |
68. Again, because Bush stole the election from Gore? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #61 |
86. Obama was a fan of the Clinton presidency until he began running against his wife |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
62. That's the same thing thats bothered me. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 08:52 PM Response to Reply #62 |
82. Wow! The famous flyer really exists then..."HILLARY HATERS - UNITE" |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 08:54 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. "Please F with our primary!" nt |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
65. He's trying to keep it from kicking his ass? nt |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
74. One of "the battles of the 1990's" I don't want to refight is defending Clinton's blowjobs. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 08:43 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Bill is running for office somewhere? |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 08:45 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. Many of Hillary's supporters seem to not be able to tell the difference |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 08:46 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. psycho babble nt |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 09:38 PM Response to Reply #79 |
87. Totally agree -- it is, but if I had a nickel for everyone clamoring for |
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Nedsdag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #74 |
89. This is true. |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
76. Bill is not running |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
88. I personally think his Handlers want to pit the |
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