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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:07 PM Original message |
Obama says a lot of great sounding things, but one thing really concerns me |
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Nite Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
1. That is the one thing that |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
2. His message is not to become more Republican |
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skorpo (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Well sadi n/t |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. No, but he speaks about reaching out to Republicans a little too often & too much for my comfort |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. If you are listening to his message, it not about compromise as much |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Obama needs to read a history book |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. That is all we need to move ahead. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:41 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. Those were re-elect numbers |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. Thank you for making my point. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:51 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Realignment takes a lot more than a big win |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. It takes work and someone with the heart and willingness to do the work. |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:00 PM Response to Reply #46 |
61. Re-alignment is what a big win means. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:09 PM Response to Reply #61 |
70. Ask Nixon, LBJ, and Eisenhower |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:13 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Eisenhower won because the country was ready to change course. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:17 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. He didn't realign things. His sitting VP lost in 1960 |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:20 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. I never claimed he did. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:24 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Obama is selling false hope on this. That is my point |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:27 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. False hope that is a Clinton talking point. |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:30 PM Response to Reply #81 |
89. Hope is made false by those who refuse to follow through on its promise. |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:48 PM Response to Reply #89 |
98. What promise has Obama EVER followed though on? |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. Trying to find common ground with our fellow citizens based on issues that affect us all is vastly |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:10 AM Response to Reply #18 |
109. Edwards IS finding common ground among working class voters both liberal and conservative.. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
13. We don't have common ground with neoconservatives and theocrats. Period. |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:30 PM Response to Reply #13 |
25. He's not talking about the ideologues at the head of the party. |
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ginnyinWI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. yes, that's it exactly. n/t |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:07 AM Response to Reply #25 |
108. Well the ideologues at the head of the Republican party are sure supporting him. |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. I have explained this before and I will explain this again. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:01 AM Response to Reply #26 |
106. You might not want them, but that does not mean your candidate doesn't. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #2 |
17. Why aren't ANY of the Republican candidates talking about the same thing? |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. See how successful they have been trying to hold their "base" together |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #17 |
30. Exactly exactly exactly |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Don't look to party heads to resolve these differences. You must |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:54 PM Response to Reply #36 |
50. Most people still believe Saddam had WMD |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:57 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. There are forces in play now that make this time ripe for a re-alignment. |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:00 PM Response to Reply #50 |
62. And right now we have climate change and global war looming |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #30 |
54. We should be passing a bunch of progressive legislation |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:05 PM Response to Reply #54 |
67. IMO, Hillary Clinton will not receive 53% of the vote. |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #17 |
35. Please understand. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
45. FDR and Reagan were exceptions |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:54 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Then let's be exceptional! |
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EV_Ares (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
58. Excellent points; if they are scared of moving too far to the right, Obama |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
3. That's the thing that's bothering you today. You've documented plenty of other complaints. |
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Lou Syffire (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
23. I've enjoyed reading his posts immensely |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Many thanks |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:40 PM Response to Reply #23 |
93. You've misplaced your response. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
4. every politician has to work with the other side |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:20 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. They don't have to make it part of their platform to the extent that he does. |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
39. Forget the politicians. Citizens need to work together. |
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bicentennial_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
6. ... |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:05 PM Response to Reply #6 |
68. Quit stealing my lines. |
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bicentennial_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:24 PM Response to Reply #68 |
82. VOTE MERCER!!! |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:27 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Why is he ignored by both the MSM and DU? |
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bicentennial_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:28 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Because: |
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Happyhippychick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
7. I think finding "common ground" is exactly right. No pandering involved. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
8. So what? So does Edwards. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. So did Richardson, but neither of them make it part of their daily platform either |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
10. There's two ways to win tug of war |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
14. He will find himself steamrolled if he plays nice with Norquist & Co. |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
43. I don't think he plans on dealing or negotiating with them at all. He's call on all of us |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
15. Like Hillary doesn't work with Republicans? |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. She's not making it part of her platform. Obama is. nt |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:39 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. What fucking sense does that make? |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #34 |
59. No need for you to get so nasty about it. It's just that Obama is pushing this message on the trail |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:04 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. I'm not getting nasty, I'm just trying to get you to make sense..... |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:16 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. Yeah right. That's why you just went on to post what you just did. Okaaay |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:24 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. But action speaks volume...... |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:58 PM Response to Reply #66 |
101. ROFLMAO! nt |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #22 |
53. Hillary plays footsy with those in the Republican power establishment. |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:30 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. Bingo. nt |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Has Hillary courted Republicans in her daily campaign platform? No. Sorry, no bingo for you tonight |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:42 PM Response to Reply #27 |
40. If she hasn't, it's a big mistake. People are sick of what they've |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #27 |
41. Who gives a shit what she has "courted"? whatever that is supposed to mean..... |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:01 PM Response to Reply #41 |
64. Make it about Hillary all you want but that doesn't change her message, nor does it change Obama's |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:05 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. I'm making it about your hypocrisis....... |
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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
16. I'm sick of the Civil Cold War in this country |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #16 |
73. That is the problem. He can't do both. Which will he prioritize? |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
20. That is the ultimate outcome of "unity". Reach out to find common ground means you give away your |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:42 PM Response to Reply #20 |
38. Guess we witnessed that "Unity" with the Iraq War Vote, the Patriot Act |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:18 PM Response to Reply #38 |
77. Obama supporters carry the Obama message- If you don't agree with me |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:25 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. It appears that way sometimes, eh |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:46 PM Response to Reply #83 |
96. yeah, "UNITY" in the form of a cudgel.. |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:22 AM Response to Reply #96 |
110. "Reach Out" to some of them and you'll pull back a |
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ginchinchili (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
32. Talk is cheap, the good and the bad. |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
47. He is calling for us to join together to act. |
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Olney Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:18 PM Response to Reply #47 |
76. Skidmore, thank you for your thoughtful posts in this thread. |
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ginchinchili (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 09:10 PM Response to Reply #47 |
103. It's a bunch of bs. Step forward and act? It's a campaign slogan |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
42. This explains much of what I love about Obama. |
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Omega3 (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. George Bush has run this country like he was voted in with a 98% majority |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
48. Agreed. Joe Lieberman is the epitome of a bipartisan |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:57 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. Joe fancies himself to be a kingmaker and power broker. |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
57. You sit down. You say, this is what you want. You say, this is what we want. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:12 PM Response to Reply #57 |
71. I respect everything you're saying but I don't think he can accomplish what he talks about |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
60. No, you're getting confused. It was Bill Clinton who wanted to move to the right. Obama wants to |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:03 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. Hate to inform you, but Obama is the only one running with this message |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
63. This is why I don't trust him....nt. |
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annie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
79. What exactly IS he talking about united. i don't really understand. |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:29 PM Response to Reply #79 |
88. It is up to you and me and all people in this nation to decide what |
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annie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:43 PM Response to Reply #88 |
94. ah, so he means getting involved. |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:30 PM Response to Reply #79 |
90. You've got it right, you haven't been infected with Obama Fever. |
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annie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:45 PM Response to Reply #90 |
95. not infected. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
87. Hillary understands coalition building; Obama makes it work |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:52 PM Response to Reply #87 |
100. When and How has Obama ever made anything work.. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
91. is brewer and shipley? |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:38 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. arghhHHH....#@!#%x@%!% |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:47 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. sure thing man! |
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DianaForRussFeingold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
99. Obama is a protege of Lieberman... I hope you know that! |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
102. What concerns me more is Hillary's willingness to stay in Iraq for 4 more years. |
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Califooyah Operative (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
104. you're misunderstanding what he's saying. |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 09:27 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. as I saidupthread.. |
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NastyRiffraff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:07 AM Response to Original message |
107. "Common ground" only works when both sides are willing to compromise when needed |
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