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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:33 PM Original message |
Voting present as a state legislator & missing half a year in his 1st Senate term to campaign. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
1. Yes, and compare that to being elected senator on your husbands last name |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. We did not elect HRC on her last name. She campaigned and earned |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Right, we would have elected some other out of stater with no experience |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Then you know she was invited to run ... and I for one, appreciate |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. I was busy with Gore |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. "invited" - how nice - by whom? based on what? |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. Look it up ... even the Republicans in our state recruited her n/t |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #31 |
56. well, so much for her liberal credentials n/t |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #56 |
95. We want a winning candidate, don't we? n/t |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. you just made the argument for Obama |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. No ... we made sure HRC served out a full first term |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. who the heck is "we"? |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. don't ask |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. NY has a history - we're proud of giving a seat to RFK |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. I would have opposed RFK on the same principle |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 04:38 PM Response to Reply #16 |
100. Did she promise to complete her second term when she ran the second time? |
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ISUGRADIA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #16 |
108. Yeah, I'm sure you were the ones who made her do that |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Obama has 11 years if elected experience |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #21 |
33. And that won him no respect from Charlie Rangel. Ignore reality, but |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. You're wrong again. |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
32. She used NY as a stepping stone to the White House, nothing more |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Because Obama is a dedicated Senator from Illinois who thought nothing of the Presidency! |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. I was used by Hillary for political reasons. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Which is why Obama is dedicated to serving out his FIRST Senate term right? |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. um, he has a career history in IL, unlike her in NY |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. Yes, 11 years as a state legislator voting present on the tough issues. |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. law professor, community organizer, actually lived there |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #61 |
79. Actually 8 years in the state leg voting present to protect a womens right to choose. |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #79 |
101. is this true? nt |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #101 |
106. Yes, It's true. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:17 PM Response to Reply #101 |
111. He voted present 130 times. Only a handful of those votes related to abortion |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #32 |
94. You don't get it, do you ... we asked her here. That's a public fact |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #32 |
105. NY didn't seem to mind |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
98. She came a calling with that Clinton brand. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Have you figured out where she stands on drivers licenses for illegals yet? |
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cd3dem (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. shame on you! this is a very sexist remark!!! |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. There is no shame in the truth |
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cd3dem (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #18 |
42. IRON MY SHIRT!!!! |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. looks to me like HRC is Bill's ticket around that darn constitutional amendment n/t |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #42 |
76. She was elected because she was famous. |
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cd3dem (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #76 |
87. there are many great couples... and the Clintons are among them! |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
102. It is not sexist to say that she is running on the Clinton brand. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:28 PM Response to Reply #11 |
120. It's the truth so don't |
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cd3dem (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #120 |
123. Women Are Never Front-Runners |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
110. hmm, do you think hill helped bill get where he got in the first place? or are wives just maids w/ b |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
3. Missing half a year? |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. of course |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. He's missed 37% of the Congressional votes this session. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Ouch. (nt) |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
9. ?s on Clinton's record. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Hillary has missed 23.3% of votes this session of Congress |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #15 |
25. sounds like they're both putting themselves first to me n/t |
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cd3dem (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #25 |
89. Hillary promised not to run her first term... for this reason! |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
10. I love the smell of hyperbole in the morning! |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
13. What bothers me most is his lack of understanding of foreign policy |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. loss of the experience |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
44. hillary? |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
55. And when did Reza Aslan become an expert in foreign policy? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #55 |
113. Europe's economy is something like $10 trillion |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
14. You have to be present to vote present |
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cd3dem (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
24. read it and then tell me how he is a leader! |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Barack Obama should be ashamed of himself... |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #24 |
45. see the abortion rights group for an explanation of the present votes |
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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #45 |
58. No, they're not interested in the facts. Only nitpicking. |
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cd3dem (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #45 |
64. Obama should not claim to be above it all and a leader if he hides from his vote |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #45 |
114. What about the other 110-120 present votes that had zero to do with abortion? |
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cd3dem (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:28 PM Response to Reply #114 |
119. No means No |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:31 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. That isn't what Barack himself says |
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cd3dem (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:39 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. "Present" means No |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
29. Sen. Obama voted 'present' 129 times while in the State Senate |
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cd3dem (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #29 |
96. more details |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
30. Kick and recommend...Obama has been a disaster as a Senator... |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #30 |
84. AND..this guy was a playboy Dilettante |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #84 |
116. How does Obama's experience compared to JFK's? |
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ISUGRADIA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #30 |
109. Disaster...you must mean Hillary's top down, I won't compromise |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
36. Exactly what are you trying to imply here? |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
37. Kyl-Lieberman; Obama couldn't even bother to show up. Now, that's leadership! |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Is it better to show up and be wrong? |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Goes back to his voting present now doesn't it? |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #47 |
71. No |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. Newsflash, they are paid to SHOW up. 16 percent of missed votes for Obama. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #49 |
72. The vote was moved |
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cd3dem (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #72 |
115. Hillary Clinton missed 143 of 2394 votes (6%) Barack Obama missed 177 of 1086 votes (16%) |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #41 |
52. Yes asking a Senator to do their job is oh so taxing. |
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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #52 |
67. Tell your candidate to show up too while you're at it. |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. She's only missed 6 percent of votes as a Senator, pretty impressive compared to others. |
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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #70 |
77. Rinsd says it was 23.3% of missed votes. |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Maybe he/she is combining his record for both state, and U.S. Senator? |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:37 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. 23.3% missed votes for Hillary & 37.6% missed votes for Obama are for this Congressional session |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #67 |
75. I expect them to miss some votes during campaign season. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #52 |
73. How did Hillary vote on Peru trade? |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #73 |
80. I believe it was NV. Same as Obama. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #80 |
92. Yes asking a Senator to do their job is oh so taxing. |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #37 |
85. Missed lotsa votes in 1960 & 1968 |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
39. I believe Planned Parenthood. Not the lies of the Clinton campaign. n/t |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. See post #29, and feel free to point out the lies. |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #39 |
86. As Do I... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
46. spam sundae |
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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
51. The present vote has been explained several times on here. |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. shhh, don't confuse them with facts |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Hillary has missed 23.3%, Obama has missed over 37%. |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. I'd say 23 and 37% are both pretty lousy n/t |
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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #57 |
68. 23.3, 37. Who the hell cares about percentages? |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #68 |
88. So did this guy: March,1968 thru June,1968 |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:18 PM Response to Reply #88 |
112. LOL...that Obama cult on full display. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:26 PM Response to Reply #57 |
118. I never heard this: |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. Thats not the only thing he voted present on. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:25 PM Response to Reply #51 |
117. Obamites pretend as if his present votes were only about abortion |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
62. still no answer to my question about what she's done for NY? (#9 above) |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Start a thread about it and you'll probably get a answer. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Here's her letter to NYers on the latest session |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Didn't he give a bunch of free bust trips to Iowa? |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #69 |
78. What's a free bust trip? |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #78 |
103. I could use a free bust about now |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. thanks for the link |
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cd3dem (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #74 |
91. people don't value experience |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. yeah. for some reason I thought it would be different this time. Sigh. n/t |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #62 |
90. Stats? Keeping A List & checking it TWICE ! |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
82. Here's a Guy with a bad Senate record of votes in 1960 |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
97. He should be campaigning from his Senate desk and no where else? |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
99. I did a comparison for my DU Journal, fwiw |
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cd3dem (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #99 |
104. Biden |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #99 |
107. That should go in it's own post. |
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