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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:32 PM Original message |
Clinton NH tactics require LAWSUITS and CRIMINAL PROSECUTIONS! |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
1. Could you maybe give a synopsis of Hillary's crimes before reaching a verdict? |
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Pawel K (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
22. You should know that's not how it works around here. |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 05:09 AM Response to Reply #22 |
69. Yeah, you're right |
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caligirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
27. voter suppression, intimidation of Obama poll workers at Concord, |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 12:28 AM Response to Reply #27 |
46. the "voter suppression" is a funny charge given Obama's first political win was based on worse |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 01:35 AM Response to Reply #46 |
57. First of all, I am an Edwards supporter |
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caligirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 03:24 AM Response to Reply #46 |
67. Chicago politics are really tough, but thats interesting. Maybe he |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 12:45 AM Response to Reply #27 |
50. The big one first |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 02:06 AM Response to Reply #1 |
60. Requesting that these matters be brought before the court.... |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 06:31 AM Response to Reply #60 |
71. Uh, yeah. |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
2. Well, looks like some Kossacks might already be on that, but we at DU |
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ursi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
3. I expected this sadly |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
4. Unethical, mislead, and lie, but please enlighten me what "criminal" law did they break? |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Your'e asking for facts???!!! |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. When you accuse someone of "criminal behavor" I want specifics |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
25. zactly. |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 12:42 AM Response to Reply #9 |
48. Here you go, again |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
80. Facts amply provided |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. dupe |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 08:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
82. Ooh, we're reelin' from that one Skip Intro |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Try reading the linked threads-- it's called voter suppression, a felony here |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. OK, I am dumb, humor me, "Spoon feed me", |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. OK, knock yourself out, straight from the thread |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:21 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. I read that, and I do not know what NH law is on that, but did anyone NOT vote because of that? |
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caligirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:37 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Members of the public were denied the right to observe an election under a false assertion |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 12:49 AM Response to Reply #32 |
51. Phone jamming was a big plot run out of the RNC |
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caligirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:28 PM Response to Reply #15 |
29. this intimidation as written in the first paragraph is the same 2000 shit in Florida |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Is it? It wasn't clear to mean that they stood in the way of people wanting to vote |
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caligirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:47 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. generally I think people neede to do their own research if they aren't satisfied, but here |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 12:21 AM Response to Reply #31 |
44. I think the point is that people who weren't contacted and |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 12:51 AM Response to Reply #7 |
52. Not Surprising HilBill Will Stop @ Nothing To Fulfill Her Lifelong Ambition! |
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bellasgrams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:19 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. Obama's voting is almost identical to Clinton's so why not go |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 12:13 AM Response to Reply #21 |
43. I see your point here, I'm an Edwards supporter FWIW it's just that here |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 12:57 AM Response to Reply #43 |
54. NH State Senator Lou Delasandro Likely "Person of Interest" In This Round of Shenanigans! |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #54 |
77. That's interesting. Names are starting to be named. |
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antiimperialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
8. Will Obama's supporters try to sue the Swiftboat veterans for lying about Kerry, too? |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Notice that it's a small number of people/events |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Actually, it was on WaPO and it wasn't just swiftboating but active voter suppression-- a FELONY |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Then why isn't Obama speaking up about it? Incidently the WP also said Iraq had WMDs /nt |
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juajen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Link, please. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:27 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. I believe the premise is that the squabble at the polling places is the basis for this |
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caligirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 12:05 AM Response to Reply #28 |
42. VOTER INTIMIDATION |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 12:21 AM Response to Reply #16 |
45. Here's the link |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
14. since when are unjustified complaints to election officials criminal? |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:12 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. I clicked on the links, and I was accused that I needed to be "spoon fed" |
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caligirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:41 PM Response to Reply #17 |
34. Repugs went to jail in NH for phone jamming, did the prosecution have to |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 12:43 AM Response to Reply #34 |
49. I see a big difference between a conspiracy to jam phone lines and complaining to election officials |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 02:06 AM Response to Reply #49 |
59. It's not just the complaints to election officials, it as active obstruction of GOTV & voting itself |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 02:17 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. The Post article only mentioned complaints |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #62 |
83. It's the Ward 9 issues-- one of the replies below |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:11 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. They complained to an election official. They didn't pull a gun |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
18. Shit or get off the pot |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:18 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. That's the point of the thread |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. Either it's criminal or it's not. You shouldn't need a thread to prove that. n/t |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. WTF?? You can't just blink and start an investigation, it requires drawing attention, exhortation |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:42 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Sorry, but it sounds like dirty, unscrupulous tricks to me. But not criminal ones. n/t |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:51 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. I see what you're saying, but the direct interference with the monitors |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:59 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. The Clinton campaign cynically used recent history.... |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 12:30 AM Response to Reply #39 |
47. Good thoughts here, it just seems that some of it frankly illegal, and will be prosecuted under law |
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forsberg (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
20. sounds like a sour grapes conspiracy theory |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:22 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Yeah, like Sore Loserman. |
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caligirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 12:01 AM Response to Reply #24 |
40. read the voting rights act, sour grapes? you don't care if the 2008 election is in question? |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 12:56 AM Response to Reply #40 |
53. At the time the poll workers weren't urging or aiding |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 12:59 AM Response to Reply #40 |
55. Thank You. Hope Fat Tim Asks Her About This Tomorrow! |
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caligirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 01:18 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. see post 47, the intent and implimentation of the VRA is something some here are |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 01:43 AM Response to Reply #40 |
58. I agree. |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #58 |
74. No, actually |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:58 PM Response to Reply #20 |
38. You mean, like the documented vote suppression by Bush in 2000 in Florida? Ooh, conspiracy theory! |
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caligirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 12:03 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. let me help you out here |
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Lurking Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
30. 4 of the plaintiffs voted FOR precincts |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 02:10 AM Response to Original message |
61. Criminal? Better contact a NH prosecutor so that |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 02:18 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Maybe try to learn to type before making playground insults |
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fightindonkey (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 02:18 AM Response to Original message |
63. Here We Go Again. Obamanuts Losing Future Elections Already. |
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caligirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 02:39 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. try to look at this as a new way of thinking for some: stolen elections |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 03:20 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. I'm an Edwards supporter, you fool |
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avrdream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 03:34 AM Response to Original message |
68. I have read the entire thread and the links and STILL don't find anything illegal there. |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. Ward 9 esp-- yes, it IS illegal, so prosecute it here, it doesn't happen in other 48 states and |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 05:18 AM Response to Original message |
70. Here's a thread you need to read |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. BS-- classic Clintonesque suppression tactics |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. Can I tell Skinner your opinion of his "tactics"? |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 08:16 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Do not start that Buffy, Skinner totally rocks here b/c he stands above the fray and |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 08:42 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. I don't have a candidate |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 06:32 AM Response to Original message |
72. If false accusations can win elections, Obama's people have it in the bag. |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Since I'm an Edwards person, guess that wouldn't be helpful, would it? |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. We all know that overzealous campaign teams around a precinct do sometimes... |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
85. To those in any future caucuses, primaries-- carry cell phones w/ CAMERAS, VIDEOS to DOCUMENT |
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