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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:36 PM
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She's still milking her crying jag for all its worth
Tell me again how this wasn't part of a planned stratergy.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/09/clinton-tearing-up-coul_n_80643.html

Hillary Clinton also agreed that choking up helped her campaign in New Hampshire:

Clinton attributed her win in part to her success late in the race in telling voters why she's in public life, a reference to her choking up when a voter asked her how she was faring. Asked whether that was a turnaround for her, she said, "I think it could well have been.

Keep reading.

The media agrees with her.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:39 PM
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1. ok nt
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:40 PM
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2. I'd like to see the question she responded to.
otherwise this is just a slime piece --but why should that be surprising?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:40 PM
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3. Why do you ASSUME/claim it was PRE-planned?
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:44 PM
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13. Because I'm not a poltical newbie, and the timing is way to suspect
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:49 PM
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22. then you should know that she was in the process of being more open with the people. Recall that?
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:52 PM
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30. What does this have to do with what I posted?
I mean, you more or less just admitted that it was part of her strategy
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:02 PM
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38. I admit no such thing. Being open, answering questions has the potential
of being asked personal questions-----she had begun to have 'conversations' rather than stump speeches where she does most of talking.
She got asked a question that was obviously close to her.
She teared up/chocked up --got a big lump in her throat as she responded. Simple as that.
Nothing preplanned about it.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 10:33 PM
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61. I doubt that you are anything but a political newbie
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:40 PM
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4. Okay, I think you "borrowed" the "crying jag" term from my earlier post saying she didn't cry...
I pointed out in an earlier post that enemies of HC keep referring to her having a "crying jag," when in fact, she didn't cry at all. Her eyes got misty and there was a small crack in her voice momentarily. As opposed to Bush Sr., who uncontrollably wept into his microphone last year.

BTW, I'm an Obama supporter. It does NO GOOD to demonize an opponent. It reflects badly on your candidate.

Folks, I...an Obama supporter....do NOT think that Clinton's emotional moment was anything other than genuine. And I so totally related to it, as well, having had a few such moments myself. I could tell it was real. And that moment might well have given her the big win of the state.

Now, if we see it again and again, that's a different matter. (Of course, we all understand that Romney is apparently going to be crying at teh drop of every hat.)
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:43 PM
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11. Actually, I used "crying jag" an hour or do after it hit the news
Not that I'll fight you for the rights to it or anything.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:41 PM
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5. Crying jag?
That's typical Wolsh, not a single tear rolled down her face.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:41 PM
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6. "crying jag"
I :puke: on your spin.
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:41 PM
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7. She didn't "cry"
Though it sounds like your the one crying after tuesday night.
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:41 PM
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8. Wow. Can you post anything that is not nasty?
*She* owns the news stations now? They're the ones talking about it. I didn't hear about it from her.

Grow up. Guess your mother didn't teach you any manners.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:43 PM
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9. -ha-and I assumed this silliness about the 'tear' was finished. silly me
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:46 PM
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16. and the IP continues to MILK the silliness
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:43 PM
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10. Please stop posting this
It isn't helping anything. It's just politics. It's life. Fair is the thing that comes in August - or October if you live on the Pacific Coast.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:45 PM
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15. When she stops milking it, we can stop talking about it
nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:47 PM
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18. you and the msm--are the ones "MILKING' THE STORY
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:43 PM
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12. Whee!
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:45 PM
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14. Sympathy is the buzz word in my corner of NH today.
I dont doubt at all that this was a huge factor in her victory.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:49 PM
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24. According to this, the episode got her a lot of free air time just
before the polls opened:

"am curious as to why you don't credit the HUGE amount of free media beginning with nightly news broadcasts, presumably local news at 11 (I don't know as I didn't see), and all of 's morning programs leading with the emotional moment?"

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/



I've always thought that it was the 60 Minutes interview that won Clinton the nomination in 1992. It set him apart from the rest of the pack by making him a national figure.

Who was it that said there is no such thing as bad publicity?
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:53 PM
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32. It was on tv constantly. All day the 7th AND the 8th.
One would really have had to be living under a rock not to see it a hundred times. I personally know several people who switched their vote to her because they "felt bad". Everyone here knew it would effect the outcome. We just didnt realize how much.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:46 PM
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17. Next you'll say she's cutting herself for the angst vote.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:55 PM
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36. shows the silliness of IP assumption
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:48 PM
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19. And now, sticking with what works, Bill "weeps"
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Tess99 Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:06 PM
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41. They're gonna ride this crying wave all the way to S. Carolina
and then Bill will break out an old school "I feel your pain!".

I'm starting to believe this cry was a strategy. The lady asked her about how she does her hair and then she starts talking about how hard whatever is and starts all the crying. This was totally planned. At firt I thought she was just tired and frustrated with campaigning and had to weep, but the lady asked her about her hair. Her hair! And Hillary starts the waterworks. Amazing.

I find it quite telling that no one will show the beginning and end of the crying video. Because the beginning and end show how planned this whole thing was.

And now Bill was weeping after she won? Lord, these people are scum.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:07 PM
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44. Well said
nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:13 PM
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46. I think she was asked How she keeps going ? Yes, there was a hair question but
I think it was all bunched into one response.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:48 PM
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20. I alerted on your post Wolsh.
It's flamebait..but you knew that when you posted it.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:49 PM
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25. Telling a member that you have alerted there post is a violation of DU rules...but you know that
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:51 PM
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29. I'll also address your charge in this post
What makes this post flame bait? HILLARY, not me, is still talking about this. It's a fair conversation to continue to have.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:06 PM
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40. What was your point in posting it? To keep stirring the pot.
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 09:09 PM by youthere
You did NOT post it to "continue discussion" because if you had, you wouldn't have deliberately used terms that you know pisses off Hillary supporters, like calling it a crying jag and accusing her of milking her story. She's not, YOU are. No one is fooled by you. Now, begone. Yet ANOTHER worthy addition to my ignore list.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:13 PM
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48. I honestly feel that it needs to be talked about
The leader of the free world may have been decided by this stunt (I doubt it, but it is possible). There is NOTHING wrong with continuing to talk about it.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:28 PM
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54. The talking heads were saying yesterday that
What was significant about "the tearing up" wasn't whether she did cry or didn't, or whether she planned to cry or didn't plan to cry, but that so many of us in the public don't see her as genuine and so we suspect her of strategizing everything.

There are people like her husband who are natural born campaigners. And then there are people who aren't. And they look less genuine than those gifted at it.

And those not born with that gift have a harder time. Until they learn to just not care - which I guess would be rather hard to pull off when you are running to be President.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:48 PM
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21. Unbelievable
The whole thing really is unbelievable (including you continuing to post about it)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:50 PM
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26. Well Tweety is obsessed with her--seems others are also!!
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:50 PM
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27. She's continuing to talk about it. Most people feel it was her "turning point. Why CAN'T we...
talk about it?
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:51 PM
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28. Feel free!
:kick:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:52 PM
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31. THAT IS BECAUSE LAZY 'JOURNALIST' CONTINUE TO ASK HER ABOUT IT!!
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Madam Mossfern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:07 PM
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42. Actually it was a turning point
My sister called today and said that she had changed her mind about Hillary because of the "crying thing". I asked her if she changed her mind on Hillary's Middle East policies or anything else that made her oppose Hillary and she said "no". WTF? Was this a calculated event? Are some women so stupid to change their minds about the most important position in this country over a perceived sense of vulnerability? Hillary was frustrated and exhausted and if it were a male candidate there would be no issue about it either. Same goes for the out of left field question during the debate about likability. If the question were asked of a male there would be no issue about it except that it would still be a stupid question. Barak's response and look seemed more annoyance about the question than 'belittling' Hillary. I don't care if Hillary is considered a cold calculating bitch...I can handle that. I cannot handle the pity factor. My sister's reaction was the same as quite a few women that I work with. This country is going to hell in a handbasket I tell you.

BTW, I thought that some of Hillary's answers during the NH debate were great and she showed a real nuts and bolts understanding of the issues and the process. Now that's a reason to support her.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:17 PM
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49. Prob. was a turning pt for some. I am not going to second quess their votes.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:17 PM
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50. Well said
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:49 PM
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23. And the voter that asked her the question that had her crying/not crying actually voted for Obama.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:03 PM
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39. Interesting. thanks
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:54 PM
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33. I'm holding out my vote.
If she shows some snot bubbles, my vote goes to her.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:54 PM
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34. First she's screwed for crying...now she's milking it for all it's worth!
Make up your mind! Then go dig around for something else to criticize Hillary about. Why don't you tell us why we should vote for your candidate once in awhile? In fact, I don't even remember who you support. I just know you hate Hillary and turned many into supporters. Good job Wolsh! Keep it up!
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:54 PM
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35. Huffingtonpost is sounding more like the Drudgereport everyday.
:eyes:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:56 PM
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37. they definately have little good to say about Clinton--
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:07 PM
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45. But in fairness, this refers to her saying "why she's in public life" -- doesn't say "crying jag."
I didn't click the link, so maybe there's more there. But what's quoted here seems fair.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:07 PM
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43. I don't know about Hillary, but you Certainly are.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:57 PM
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59. Yes, but the corporate media (Murdoch at least) works for HRC not for the OP.
;)
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:59 PM
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60. Wow, why would her employees go after Bill and her the way they have for 15+ years?
She should fire their asses!
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:13 PM
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47. ....

STFU about my
wife, Wolsh!
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:19 PM
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51. HA!
:)
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:20 PM
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52. EPIC FAIL!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:27 PM
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53. Jon Stewart's reaction to Hillary's 'meltdown': "That's it?"
Forum Name Hillary Clinton Supporters Group
Topic subject Jon Stewart's reaction to Hillary's 'meltdown': "That's it?"
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=334x595#595
595, Jon Stewart's reaction to Hillary's 'meltdown': "That's it?"
Posted by rodeodance on Wed Jan-09-08 04:45 PM

Forum Name General Discussion: Politics
Topic subject Jon Stewart's reaction to Hillary's 'meltdown': "That's it?"
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4014603#4014603
4014603, Jon Stewart's reaction to Hillary's 'meltdown': "That's it?"
Posted by TwilightZone on Wed Jan-09-08 04:22 PM

"That's it? That's the emotional breakdown that blows the election for her? I'm glad no one here ever sees me get a flu shot," Stewart said.

Bonus footage - Giuliani turns it into 9/11.

Video: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/09/thats-it-jon-stewart-_n_80749.html
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:34 PM
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55. Thanks rodeo.
Nice links.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:53 PM
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58. its really how i feel about it. I wish I had his verse!
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:37 PM
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56. Very nice
Jon Stewart! Thanks for posting :-)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:52 PM
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57. Topic subject Why Hillary's "cry" is all about the MSM
Forum Name General Discussion: Politics
Topic subject Why Hillary's "cry" is all about the MSM
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4017268#4017268
4017268, Why Hillary's "cry" is all about the MSM
Posted by usregimechange on Wed Jan-09-08 08:36 PM

I think Hillary's emotionality was a factor in her narrow win in NH but she had no control over the media's choice to bring this to the public over and over. The M$M is a second rate paparazzi.

People may choose to vote for Hillary but if some NH voters voted for her for this reason, it was non-rational media induced and superficial. Imagine if the M$M would have obsessed about Edwards question and answer from Steve Skvara. What, you haven't heard of him? Of course not the #$@!ing media played it once and never mentioned his name.

This is disturbing because the media is controlled by very few and has significant power when it covers one candidate 9 times more than the others. It is like a fat superdelegate, it is an undemocratic corporate aristocracy.
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