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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:56 PM
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Some basic facts that cannot be ignored.
Obama won Iowa, Hillary was crucified in the msm, Hillary went into New Hampshire down in double digits, exit polling was spot on. Hillary won.

Now I have tried to keep a positive attitude to wards all of our candidates since last night, but some of the bullshit being posted is beyond comprehension.

I guess some just have not learned their lesson. I guess it's true ignorance is bliss.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:57 PM
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1. The race is wide open between Obama and Clinton...That's all that matters to me....
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:57 PM
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2. Are you standing with Obama, Kerry2008?
I'm hoping you are.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:58 PM
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3. I disagree.
I still think the race is open to Edwards Hillary and Obama. But some people really should think before they post bullshit.
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Clarkansas Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:00 PM
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6. I agree with you! eom
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:58 PM
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4. Another basic fact: election fraud
I do think HRC won, but given the opacity of the electoral process, we need to ask these questions. Otherwise, we'll be screwed again in the general election.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:59 PM
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5. The burden of proof is on you. Go for it!
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:03 PM
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7. Have been, will continue to. nt
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:04 PM
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8. Good for you!
As for me I am moving on to the next voting. As is all the other major candidates.
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:16 PM
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16. It's what happened in 2000 and 2004, too
...which is why the problems never get fixed.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:17 PM
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17. See post #15.
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:19 PM
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19. Already did and replied. You did not read the link carefully.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:22 PM
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20. Not to worry. Now that Karl Rove has taken time off to be closer to his family,
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 02:11 PM by Benhurst
I'm sure he's found Jesus and has given up all plans to fix the 2008 presidential election.

Our "leaders" in Congress aren't worried, so why should I be?

:sarcasm:

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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:26 PM
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22. I suggest adding the sacrasm smiley
...because some among us probably think you meant it. And agree.

:banghead:
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:12 PM
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30. Done
:hi:
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:52 PM
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28. We recently had a recount in our Mayor's race
The winner picked up 3 additional votes. Now the loser is taking it to the state S C.
It was a very close race but there is a time to stop. I feel like I'm losing my vote again.
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:27 PM
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31. Ws it a hand or machine recount? nt
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:13 PM
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12. Read it and weep.
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:15 PM
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14. Now add the population numbers to your chart. nt
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:16 PM
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15. And how would that change that all votes are hand counted?
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 01:16 PM by William769
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:18 PM
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18. Not all votes are hand-counted.
The more populous counties feed the hand-marked scantron ballots into a Diebold optical scan reader which does the actual counting.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:24 PM
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21. Yes, the voter himself feeds the ballot into the machine
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 01:25 PM by HughMoran
No human hands touch the ballot except the voter until after it's counted by the optical scanning machine.
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:28 PM
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23. But the COUNTING is separate from the feeding
...and that's the problem. The tabulation is done by a privately owned and designed software program, with no voter or government oversight.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:33 PM
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24. There is always a possiblity of errors. Thankfully the exit polls matched the results
exactly. 39-37 for both - there is no arguing the veracity of the vote in this instance.
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:38 PM
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25. Neither is there verification.
We have faith-based voting right now. No one really knows the actual results in machine-counted areas.

I've said before, I figure HRC won this one, and good for her. BUT, we need to be working on election integrity throughout the promaries, to demand a more transparent process: otherwise, we'll have another presidency stolen in the general.

Too many Dems are like frogs in a pot. We need to jump BEFORE the water gets hot enough to kill us.

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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:51 PM
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27. And we all know there was NEVER fraud with hand counts....
Nah. The 19th century never had fraud. Never. Give me a break.
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:54 PM
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29. When people diddle with the counts, it's easier to catch them nt
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:04 PM
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9. what "lesson" would that be?
because I see proponents of all candidates guilty of something, and the main thing they're guilty of is hypocrisy: they like to dish out the most negative things thinkable against others but whine like a wambulance when it happens to their candidate.

perhaps people should separate THEMSELVES from the arena of being hurt when people don't like their CANDIDATE.

if that happened, a great deal of acrimony would be avoided.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:09 PM
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10. Ignorance is bliss, thanks for playing.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:14 PM
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13. whatever, I just passed on a very valuable insight that could help you
if you want to piss on it, so be it.


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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:10 PM
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11. K&R
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:48 PM
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26. Well said.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:57 PM
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33. Thanks.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:33 PM
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32. Hear hear.
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