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Tejanocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:20 PM Original message |
It is not JUST that Biden voted to eliminate middle class bankruptcy protections. He voted against |
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Joe Bacon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
1. This is why I will NEVER support Biden |
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ginchinchili (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. You're being intellectually dishonest in how you express your disagreement. |
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PDittie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. More importantly |
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Joe Bacon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. I'm not whoring for Biden. |
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ConfidentialStatus (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 03:38 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Who might that candidate be? |
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ConfidentialStatus (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
13. This bears repeating |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
20. what a stupid response.. |
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inthebrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
2. I think a lot of the Bidenites were not members here when that vote went down |
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ccpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
4. isn't he owned |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. yarp |
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walk softly (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
5. ALIMONY CHECKS? |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
6. i really like Biden as a candidate |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
7. Biden sucks as far as domestic policy goes. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 04:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
28. I tend to agree with that -- although he was a dope on Iraq in 02 |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:39 AM Response to Reply #7 |
63. He definitely has the knowledge base to be Sec State or Sec Def n/t |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
72. as if the two aren't connected. nt |
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DCKit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
9. Because he is "owned" by the banking industry or because he believes we should all be financially |
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Steely_Dan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Shouldn't He Be Rolling In Money |
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walk softly (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 03:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Sorry Dan |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. Biden and Dodd are neck-and-neck for the highest percentage of funds from lobbyists |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:02 PM Response to Reply #25 |
43. I started an independent thread on this issue to discuss the matter in a non-bankruptcy context |
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Tejanocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:33 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Thanks for doing that. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-30-07 03:01 AM Response to Reply #9 |
91. it just hit me like a "duh" |
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PDittie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
10. Never got the Biden cheerleading squad |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
12. Hmm |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 03:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Hillary missed the vote (Bill's heart surgery) but denounced it, Edwards denounced it, Obama voted |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. Edwards voted for similar bills in 2000 & 2001, see my reply #22. |
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Tejanocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 04:24 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Those bills weren't even REMOTELY similar. If you care to learn about the key differences, they're |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 04:38 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Oh yes they were. Read this --- |
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walk softly (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. GREAT POST |
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Tejanocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 05:25 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. If you're genuinely curious, and not just trying to dilute the consequences of Biden's horrible vote |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:50 AM Response to Reply #26 |
56. I see one difference as noted in your journal about |
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Tejanocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:32 AM Response to Reply #56 |
60. The home equity was just the biggest difference. There was also a minimum wage hike, too. Most |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:40 AM Response to Reply #60 |
64. No argument from me on your final analysis, unfortunately there |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 02:42 PM Response to Reply #26 |
74. Hear, hear |
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Tejanocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 02:59 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Biden didn't just vote for the worse bill, he voted for all bills and voted against amendment which |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:02 AM Response to Reply #14 |
57. Hillary did vote for the Kennedy amendment |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. Senate and House vote links |
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Tejanocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 04:30 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. The 2000 and 2001 Bills were widely supported by majorities of Democrats and were not even REMOTELY |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 04:40 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. See my post #29, and see exactly what Edwards and Hillary voted for. |
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Tejanocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 06:07 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. See my post #39 |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:40 AM Response to Reply #27 |
55. Not so, the 2000 & 2001 bills were mainly supported by Repubs |
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Tejanocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:14 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Only 13 Democrats voted against the 2000 Senate bill; only 13 Democrats voted against the 2001 bill |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:30 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. And 219 Republicans & 94 Dems voted for the 2000 bill :) |
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Tejanocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:37 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. In the final vote in the Senate, only 13 Democrats voted against it. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 02:00 AM Response to Reply #62 |
66. True but a majority is still a majority :) the house vote is more |
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Tejanocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. Almost three times as many Democrats supported the bill as opposed it. How's than not a majority of |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 08:38 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. Repub vote - 261 Yes 2 No ---Dem vote - 103 Yes 114 No |
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Tejanocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 08:56 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. You can't doubt that I have been talking about the Senate vote can you? Was I unclear in any way? |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 09:26 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. It only became clear when you mentioned the 13 votes. Hope |
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Tejanocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 09:43 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Frankly, I thought you were trying to make the point that the bill was passed by a majority of |
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1corona4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 02:00 AM Response to Reply #58 |
67. He didn't vote for them, because they were redundant... |
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Czolgosz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 09:46 AM Response to Reply #67 |
70. You say "I am so over this myopic issue." For me, this is the issue that knocked Biden off my list. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
15. I like him, but I could NEVER vote for him in light of that "reform". |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
17. That really bothered me about Biden at the time it happened. |
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Froward69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
24. So in short this post espouses stiffing your kids, |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 04:40 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Ummmm....Not quite. |
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Froward69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 04:58 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. ok my plight... |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:48 PM Response to Reply #35 |
49. I'm not sure I understand your point -- My narowly avoided plight |
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Tejanocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 10:17 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. I'm sorry for your loss. If it matters to you, Sen. Corzine offered an amendment to address your |
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philly_bob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
31. Right. But I give Biden a pass on that. Banking is Delaware's industry. |
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inthebrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 04:43 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. As Molly Ivins once said |
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Froward69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 05:06 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. ok |
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Spirit of 34 (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 05:15 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Oh, boy, picking at typos |
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inthebrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 05:51 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. It ends here |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 06:08 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Ruh roh. Abortion ban. Bankruptcy law. Clarence Thomas. No way. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 10:27 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. "Biden is a big mouthed loser" |
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KingOfLostSouls (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:38 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. why simple |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #36 |
73. You're in a glass house there; mind the stones. (nt) |
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Tejanocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 04:04 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. true enough! |
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Think82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:53 PM Response to Reply #31 |
47. Biden proposed te first public financing bill in 1972 or 4. He has talked about it in the debates |
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Tejanocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
48. I can't give a pass because "Banking is Delaware's industry." He asks us to judge his experience. |
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philly_bob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:57 AM Response to Reply #48 |
65. How do other Senators vote when it comes to home-state industries? |
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inthebrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 10:25 PM Response to Reply #65 |
84. Kucinich has never voted to hang the little for the expense of the big guy |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 10:28 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. but it's okay that he voted against children's healthcare? |
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Tejanocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-30-07 12:10 AM Response to Reply #85 |
87. Are you criticizing a vote by Dennis Kucinich? Which vote are you talking about? |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-30-07 01:23 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Dennis voted against SCHIP |
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inthebrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-30-07 02:31 AM Response to Reply #88 |
90. He had good reason to |
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Tejanocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-30-07 11:51 AM Response to Reply #88 |
93. It passed the House without his vote and he voted against the bill to protest that it didn't go far |
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Bethany Rockafella (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
37. Has any of his constituents ever questioned him on that? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
46. This disqualifies him from being dogcatcher, IMO |
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johnnydrama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 10:13 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. SO..... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 10:23 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. This was the WORST piece of economic legislation |
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inthebrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 09:13 PM Response to Reply #53 |
80. BINGO!!!!!!! |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #50 |
75. Uh... |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
52. I've followed Joe Biden for decades. I love him. |
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faithfulcitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:35 AM Response to Reply #52 |
61. Well said! And I wholeheartedly agree. nt. |
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Reno.Muse (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 02:10 AM Response to Original message |
68. backstabbing Harry Reid did the same thing |
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Czolgosz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
69. This is VERY disturbing! |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
81. It's Thursday, and I still respect and admire Joe Biden. |
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NC_Nurse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
86. Wow. That's depressing. |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-30-07 01:29 AM Response to Original message |
89. Biden, it goes to show you, they're all out for themselves and always will be, except Obama!!! |
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Czolgosz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-30-07 09:52 AM Response to Reply #89 |
92. How is Kucinich "out for himself"? |
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