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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:02 AM Original message |
Prayerful, my ass. I've had an abortion |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
1. So you won't be telling your story on the 700 Club then |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. the 700 Club is awesome. nt. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:10 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Not trying to expand the audience for abortion rights |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:12 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Why was he pandering to the 700 club in the first place? |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 05:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
123. How is that pandering? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:13 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. I'd rather our candidates did NOT go on |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:23 AM Response to Reply #7 |
14. You and your ilk ignore the opportunity that exists with evangelicals |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:24 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. evangelicals are awesome. nt. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:27 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Stuck in red state/blue state rut |
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displacedtexan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #16 |
90. What's with the Captain Awesome deal today? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:28 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. sorry, I don't believe in legitimizing Pat Robertson's organization |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:49 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Our candidate, whomever he or she is, will be asked to do the equivalent |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. introducing "prayer" into the abortion debate is demeaning to |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #18 |
25. I don't see it as legitimizing Pat Robinson |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. I don't like seeing dems on Fux news either. |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. How in the world are you drawing that conclusion? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. he's buying into the religious frame about abortion. It couldn't be |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. I can't see it because that is not the religious frame |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. yes, i know, but using the word "prayerful" in regard to a decision |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:43 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. I'm saying that saying that abortion is ok is not using a religious frame |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:54 AM Response to Reply #14 |
23. Obama, save me from your followers. |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 03:50 AM Response to Reply #14 |
113. McClurkin represents an opportunity to show gays that they can be saved... |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 10:35 AM Response to Reply #14 |
120. Thank you for providing another view nt |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 05:41 PM Response to Reply #14 |
125. Exactly |
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inthebrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #7 |
72. I don't care if they go onto the 700 club |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
4. Agreed. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:14 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. "Christo-speak" |
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zabet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
6. Not all would be prayerful. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
9. Senator Obama does not support a government's power to deny you your choice. |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
10. I dont see why this is a big deal really. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:20 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. it elementary, my dear bunnies. |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:44 AM Response to Reply #12 |
20. I agree with you that its a right |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:24 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. I think the point is exactly what you just posted. |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:47 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. I didnt get that he was dictating. |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #21 |
45. Dictating was too strong a term. But... |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
11. Religion has no place in a campaign for secular office. nt |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
13. Some of us pointed this out about Obama several weeks ago. |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #13 |
53. Some of us did so months ago |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:41 PM Response to Reply #53 |
112. I know. The gradually widening web of folks annoyed by Obama's pandering to the religious right |
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asjr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
19. I hate it when our candidates, of either |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
26. HE WAS TALKING TO THE 700 CLUB!!!! |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:00 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Do you think they're the only ones who heard him? |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. I wish more of our candidates make their case to every fundie in this country |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 03:55 AM Response to Reply #32 |
114. The 700 Club is made up of holier-than-thou assholes... |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. I sure am glad to see you Obama supporters ADMIT he |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 01:38 PM Response to Reply #29 |
61. Pandering is when you say what your audience wants you to hear |
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KingFlorez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
31. I don't see the problem |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
33. Abortion does force one to confront their spiritual beliefs |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. but he did frame it in terms of prayer |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:22 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. He's courting the audience! |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. I understand that. And this is far from being a deal breaker for |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:26 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. I know, cali. The thing is |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #35 |
42. I'd call it soul-searching rather than prayer |
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Vickers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
37. I agree with you. I also think it is ludicrous for his supporters to somehow |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. thanks for putting that so well and |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:46 AM Response to Reply #37 |
47. You can always look the actual word up...Obama used this particular word for a reason |
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Vickers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. You're kidding, right? Both definitions use the actual words "prayer" |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. It also means |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #37 |
88. Neither you nor I would say that. But I *have* heard others say it. |
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Vickers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 10:06 AM Response to Reply #88 |
119. Fair enough. But I'll admit I also don't like it when Clinton or Carter |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
44. Yes... |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
48. He wants to win |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
51. What is so hard to understand? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. I'm criticizing him not shitting on him. |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. I don't like religion being enshrined in law |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. Politics and religion |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. Give it a rest. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. I daresay you don't know anything about |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 01:58 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. I daresay that you don't know |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 01:58 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. I think you're letting semantics get in the way of his larger point |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 02:00 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Very well said. |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. I think so, too. nt |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Because |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. hardly what I was saying, but oh well |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
55. I think you're being unusually simplistic |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
58. Obama seems to be very comfortable blending politics and religion |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
62. No, but I bet you mulled it over carefully. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 01:47 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. no, sorry. I didn't mull it over carefully. |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 01:58 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. I believe most women formulate an opinion |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #67 |
78. exactly right. n/t |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 02:00 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. I'm sorry you aren't satisfied that Obama trusts you on decisions regarding your own body. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 02:04 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. I am not at all hostile to religion, and you won't find me |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. I'm THRILLED Obama stuck to his pro-choice stance at the 700 Club. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. lol. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. It's called reason. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. no, dear |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #65 |
74. Tell us all that you had NEVER given any thought |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 02:06 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. I didn't have to. |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 02:25 PM Response to Reply #77 |
85. I knew if I became pregnant I'd have an abortion. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #85 |
91. stop speaking for women. |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. I'm not speaking for women... |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
63. The non-religious are treated like dirt. |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
66. I agree and Obama is one of my favorite. I am just asking that he respects us as much as he respects |
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HuffleClaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
76. this waffling pisses me off |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
80. Completely OT, but... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 02:18 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. A lot of people here are surprised to find out that I'm a she not a he. |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. I thought you were a he also. |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
86. Yes |
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DrFunkenstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
89. Your Powerful Story Would Make Tremendous Progress For The Pro-Choice Movement |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. i'm sure you're right, but he couched it in |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
93. I get your point. Not sure you get his. |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 05:52 PM Response to Reply #93 |
126. read for comprehension |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
95. He sounds more and more desperate each day |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
96. Obama must feel that he needs religious voters in order to win... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 05:45 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. I am sick to death of people |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 05:48 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. You're missing the point... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 05:51 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. too bad. I'm not going to fake it. It's a right, not a privilege |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. Here's what you don't get... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 06:26 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. oh please. I completely get the vital need to keep more |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 06:32 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Actually, I find your take on Obama's words a bit "hysterical" |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 07:32 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. Good question. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 07:39 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. We aren't talking about religious folks here |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 07:49 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. Well, gosh no. |
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Madam Mossfern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 06:10 PM Response to Reply #96 |
102. Thank you |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 06:35 PM Response to Reply #102 |
106. I agree, we sure don't want all religious folks to vote Republican! nt |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 06:34 PM Response to Reply #96 |
105. Wow, condescending much? |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 09:13 PM Response to Reply #105 |
111. Nothing condescending about it... |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 05:07 AM Response to Reply #111 |
116. Excuse me for saying so,... |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 09:18 AM Response to Reply #116 |
118. I'm not suggesting that we adopt the views of anti-choice people... |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 05:25 PM Response to Reply #118 |
122. Well, as I said before.... |
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dugggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
100. I recall praying in reference to pregnency also..... |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-26-07 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
110. He wasn't speaking to you, Cali. He was speaking to a group of religious women. nt |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 03:58 AM Response to Original message |
115. Yes, every woman is like you. No woman should ever pray over the decision to have an abortion. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 06:21 AM Response to Reply #115 |
117. Can you read? Evidently not for comprehension. |
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Madam Mossfern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-27-07 04:35 PM Response to Reply #117 |
121. But to many |
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