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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 07:24 PM Original message |
Kucinich's lack of success is not due to being overlooked by the MSM |
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ray of light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
1. $$$ $$$$ $$$$ talks. Dean was raking in online money while the |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 07:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. not at first he wasn't |
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rjones2818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
3. I think it's because of people |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 07:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. cute dig |
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rjones2818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 07:48 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Y'see... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 07:55 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. you still haven't addressed the fact that |
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rjones2818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 09:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
35. Dean was the only outsider who caught on in the Blogosphere. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 10:04 PM Response to Reply #11 |
40. Dean was on the cover of both Time and Newsweek in summer 2003, not "ignored" |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 10:08 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. yes. and that was AFTER he struck a spark |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 10:21 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Dennis struck sparks with those who actually got to hear him |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
5. That was kinda idiotic. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 07:48 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Care to share why? |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 07:53 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. No. One would really have to be ignorant not to see why. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 08:05 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. Thank you |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 08:15 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. you are so much more |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 07:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Fact: Howard Dean began his candidacy unknown with |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 07:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. "Kucinich's lack of success is not due to being overlooked by the MSM" IS opinion |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 07:58 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Both Kucinich and Dean ran in 2004. So, how about |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 08:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. "and yes, it is opinion" |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 08:11 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. NO. only part of it is opinion. Either you're playing dumb |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 08:16 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. "Forget it. your response don't even deserve to be called that. They're disingenuous and pathetic." |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 08:40 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. you started there. and yes, i left an "s" off of the |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 08:59 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. So you think a missing "s" is your big mistake? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 09:06 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. I think you're not interested in |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 09:22 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Some people don't have the confidence to put their opinions on the line |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 10:29 PM Response to Reply #31 |
43. Yeah, with a screen name like flvegan... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 10:38 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. no. you did that all by yourself. n't |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 10:45 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Did what? Jesus, that doesn't even make sense. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 10:52 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. sure it does. you showed yourself to be a person more interested |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 11:15 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. I Did? Oh, dear. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 04:30 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. how pathetic is it that |
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DrFunkenstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
12. Having The Ability to Make Liberalism Seem Like Common Sense is Key |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 08:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. no flames from me. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
15. Are you trying to say that Dean became famous before MSM coverage? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 08:13 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. er, no. I'm saying he started to resonate with voters |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 08:39 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. uh huh. n/t |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 08:41 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. now that's just a brilliant response. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 09:11 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Thanks! |
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bullwinkle428 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
22. In Iowa, it's a complete lack of an organization in place. |
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nosmokes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
27. It's because Dennis isn't Tall and Manly. His message is a winner. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 09:37 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Dean is the same height as Kucinich |
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MGKrebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 09:42 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. That might help, but we are not voting for a policy statement. |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
30. Not being front and center in the MSM is mostly an excuse. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 09:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. That is a very perceptive post |
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penguin7 (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 10:55 PM Response to Reply #30 |
49. This does not explain why Kucinich is the only real anti-war |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 05:47 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. You are a good example of what I was talking about. |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
33. Dean's waaaaay more conservative and mainstream, that's why |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 09:46 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. sure Dean's not as liberal as Kucinich |
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stranger81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
37. The way I see it, it isn't that he's not being covered -- it's that he's being marginalized |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 09:48 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. nah, Dean had lost a lot of momentum before Iowa |
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penguin7 (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
45. Dean had serious media attention and the media treated him as |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 10:54 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. nope. he had zip media attention for the first year |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 12:16 AM Response to Original message |
51. Because in 2004 the new role of the Internet in campaigns was a horse race story n/t |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 03:11 AM Response to Original message |
52. Some theories... |
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