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obamian (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:07 PM Original message |
McClurkin: "I don't believe in discriminating against homosexuals" |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. "The gloves are off!! No public funding for gay high schools! An easy target for molestation!" |
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DemFemme (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Your quote is from 2003. OP's quote is from today. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:18 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. He "doesn't believe homosexuality is God's intention" is from today. |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Most Christians, including our candidates, probably agree. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:20 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. And they are just as fucking bigoted. n/t |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Putting these views on stage, in an "EMBRACE THE CHANGE!" concert is just over the top though. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 07:33 AM Response to Reply #10 |
102. he's not "putting these views on stage" |
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Ediacara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. And that makes it ok? |
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DemFemme (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:34 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. As ok as Hillary's and Edwards' changes over their IWR votes, I suppose. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
41. Nope, but it means that Obama alone should not be criticized for it |
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DemFemme (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. That's his own personal view that is shared by many in the black community of faith. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:22 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Then the black community of faith is extremely misguided. |
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DemFemme (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:31 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Obama is giving McClurkin as much of a platform as Hillary with Rev. Mayberry... |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
42. although donnie is a bit over the top |
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DemFemme (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 10:09 PM Response to Reply #42 |
57. Exactly. n/t |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 07:28 AM Response to Reply #12 |
99. He didn't give McClurkin's *views* a *platform* |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:26 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Martin Luther King, Jr must be spinning in his grave. |
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DemFemme (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. The black community is not monolithic. n/t |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:38 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. But you were the one that said: |
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DemFemme (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:42 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. In my dictionary, "many" does not mean "all". |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:49 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. And I see you overlooked "community leaders." |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 01:33 AM Response to Reply #37 |
72. :crickets: |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 02:10 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Looks like we asked too many questions. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 07:33 AM Response to Reply #74 |
101. because you are accusing her of things she didn't say |
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DemFemme (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 02:28 AM Response to Reply #37 |
75. Not at all. |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 02:51 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. "That's his own personal view that is shared by many in the black community of faith." |
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DemFemme (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 02:59 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. If you were black, you'd know what I was talking about. n/t |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 03:12 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. You still haven't answered my question. |
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DemFemme (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 03:39 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. I'm not interested in being the focus of your hostility. |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 04:04 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Where have I been hostile? |
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DemFemme (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 04:13 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Using the "Edit" button to erase your nasty comments to me, eh? |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:18 PM Response to Reply #82 |
96. Nope. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 07:31 AM Response to Reply #25 |
100. Key term is "shared by many" which is borne out in polls, etc |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 08:27 AM Response to Reply #11 |
83. African-American Dems are more socially conservative then the average Dem. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 07:35 AM Response to Reply #83 |
103. And Black votes for Democrats helps LGBT issues |
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EST (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
45. Welcome to DU! |
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DemFemme (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 01:25 AM Response to Reply #45 |
71. Thanks! |
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Olney Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
2. I'm glad Mr. McClurkin knows exactly what God wants/ |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
3. The man is a bigot. nt. |
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DemFemme (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. So is Reverend Dr. Harold R. Mayberry, who has endorsed Hillary |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 07:36 AM Response to Reply #14 |
104. but Hillary is not Obama |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
33. He's conflicted: he believes his past homosexual behavior was inconsistent with his religion |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:55 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. It doesn't matter why he thinks the way he thinks, |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 09:51 PM Response to Reply #44 |
92. "I set me mind to stop cuz I thunk it were wrong" ain't necessarily bigotry |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
5. McClurkin really doesn't have a clue about how |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:19 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Or that blacks are "inferior" or Jews need to be "perfected". |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
39. If he doesn't have a clue, then he may be responsible but not guilty |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 10:20 PM Response to Reply #39 |
62. Hedgehog, I don't disagree with your point that he |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 10:38 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. I'm of several minds about this, believe me. |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
13. So today's statement is supposed to absolve him from all the hate |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
17. The more Obama supporters try to defend this guy the deeper the hole gets for their candidate. |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:33 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Actually some of his supporters here have done so much damage |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:36 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Although I support Clinton, I don't believe Obama has done anything wrong here. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 10:08 PM Response to Reply #22 |
53. Obama himself didn't do anything wrong until his weak statement. |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 08:40 AM Response to Reply #17 |
84. ain't that the truth |
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Sandaasu (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
23. When are you guys finally going to get it? |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:43 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. No, you are wrong. It is not hate speech. |
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Sandaasu (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:47 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Who said anything about banning speech? |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 10:08 PM Response to Reply #34 |
55. It's not hate speech to express one's moral beliefs. nt |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 10:27 PM Response to Reply #55 |
64. If he were to try to cure a person's blackness would it be hate? |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 01:34 AM Response to Reply #64 |
73. :crickets: |
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bullwinkle428 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 08:44 AM Response to Reply #55 |
85. Sorry to disagree, but as a Jew, I certainly thought that |
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youthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:07 AM Response to Reply #55 |
86. Fred Phelps expresses his "moral beliefs". |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:48 AM Response to Reply #34 |
90. it's the favoured response of anyone who wants a diversion |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:22 AM Response to Reply #28 |
91. people do have personal viewpoints, and religious beliefs |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
24. YOu can compress shit into bars, but don't try to sell it to me as chocolate. n/t |
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DrFunkenstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:44 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. I Guess I'll Have to Go to Plan B on That One |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 10:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
68. What's a good shit compressor run a guy these days? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
26. So why did Obama state that he "strongly disagree with Reverend McClurkin’s views"? n/t |
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obamian (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:44 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. His views that homosexuality isn't the intention of God |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
46. Like the majority of Christians and Muslims around the planet |
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fightindonkey (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 02:06 AM Response to Reply #46 |
97. Who Are A Bunch Of A-Moral Bigots |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
29. Who freakin' cares? Guy's a fundie. We all know what fundies |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:46 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. I actually respect Obama for inviting people he doesn't agree with. |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:48 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. I agree with you, cal. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:49 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Sorry no, |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:53 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Do you think John Edwards is a bigot? |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 10:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. I said that all the hedging on gay marriage during the debate, |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 10:11 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. I do know much about the guy, but I don't agree with the characterization "gay basher" |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:59 PM Response to Reply #38 |
49. He's not a bigot. He has done nothing to demonstrate your accusation. |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 10:01 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. For many over here |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 10:02 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Well, then it is they who are the bigots. nt |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 10:09 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. He said homosexuality is a curse, |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 10:25 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. I don't think any of those things are bigotry. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 10:31 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. We disagree. |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 10:45 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. There's a difference between hate speech and misguided views. Yeah, we disagree. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:58 PM Response to Reply #32 |
47. interesting you and i agree on something |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 10:08 PM Response to Reply #32 |
54. You are really missing the issue. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 10:12 PM Response to Reply #32 |
59. I see hypocrisy |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 10:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
70. EXCELLENT! wtg ProSense |
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obamian (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 02:52 AM Response to Reply #70 |
98. Obama said he got tested with his wife to clarfiy he wasn't involved with another |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 03:27 AM Response to Reply #59 |
79. It's a different context |
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Sandaasu (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Not all gospel singers are bigots. (nt) |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:51 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Christianity, like most religions, |
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Sandaasu (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:58 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. So, all Chrstians are bigots now? |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 10:13 PM Response to Reply #48 |
60. No, religions are dangerous things, sources of |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 10:30 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. correct |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 10:15 PM Response to Reply #48 |
61. the bigots are those who assume they know what |
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terrya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
87. He's a bigot and a liar then. |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
88. And? So he believes I shouldn't be discriminated against, just that I make the choice to be gay.... |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
89. "I don't hate black people, but....." |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
93. I sure wish DUers could muster even a fraction of this outrage when it comes to racial |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 07:40 AM Response to Reply #93 |
106. sometimes I wonder |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
94. The biggest bitchers are the ones supporting a candidate who touts her endorsment by mayberry! |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:11 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Excellent Point! There's a number of "hidden agendas" with SOME of this self-righteous indignation. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 07:40 AM Response to Original message |
105. How about: if I decide btw Hillary and Obama, it will be based on them |
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