I find it really odd with the enormous Union support that Edwards is generating and the huge crowds
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Mon Oct-15-07 04:12 PM
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I find it really odd with the enormous Union support that Edwards is generating and the huge crowds
that anyone could possibly believe this primary is "over" Contrary to what the polls indicate, I think excitement about both their campaigns is "building". Something is very wrong about the reporting on these two guys.
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Mon Oct-15-07 04:17 PM
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I agree. But, this has been happening ever since before HRC was elected to the Senate.
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Mon Oct-15-07 04:20 PM
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Mon Oct-15-07 06:44 PM
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20. ahhh hell lets just skip the primaries ..get the tiara out and polished ..will ya!!
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: fly
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Mon Oct-15-07 09:04 PM
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29. I plan not to be on the wagon that night. n/t
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Mon Oct-15-07 04:17 PM
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2. Crowd size is meaningless...
I remember very well Walter Mondale getting huge crowds during the 1984 Presidential campaign... Jimmy Carter had a very successful River Boat tour down the Mississippi in 1980... Any competently run campaign can generate huge crowds... The are not always the best avenues for getting your message across, and inhibit the personal touch type campaigning that is characteristic of these early primary states...
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Mon Oct-15-07 04:19 PM
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3. That may be so, but it certainly means large numbers want to hear him speak!
And news coverage makes it seems as though no one is interested.
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Mon Oct-15-07 04:26 PM
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6. Optional scanner to count the ballots was first used in 1978...
In 1980 everybody had them. Notice how our elections made sense before 1978!
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Mon Oct-15-07 04:33 PM
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9. And how big is that check?
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Mon Oct-15-07 04:40 PM
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10. Go farther back and remember Ted Kennedy getting huge crowds in the 1980 primary
I think he ended up w/31% to Carter's 59% in the Iowa Caucuses. Obviously the most current example is Howard Dean and the crowds he attracted in October of 2003. Sadly, those crowds did not translate into caucus attendees.
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Mon Oct-15-07 06:47 PM
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21. ever see these SEIU folks during a campaign?? they are amazing!!
and they vote!! and they are vocal and they participate!! fly
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Mon Oct-15-07 08:12 PM
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Mon Oct-15-07 04:22 PM
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5. The polls are fixed. Nobody likes Hillary, nobody likes Rudy....
And they are ahead in the polls. YEAH RIGHT! This has always been a potential problem with the rigged voting machines. If they are going to steal elections, they have to fix the polls too. People predicted this was going to happen three years ago and WALLA! Here it is. Completely phoney ass polls that aren't even close to reality.
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Mon Oct-15-07 04:42 PM
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almost all the polls just before an election are correct within their margin of error.
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Mon Oct-15-07 04:55 PM
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15. You Can Bet Your Life On Them
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Mon Oct-15-07 09:25 PM
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32. Opinion polls don't matter in caucus states.
Caucuses are negotiations, not elections.
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Mon Oct-15-07 06:41 PM
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17. We have a ways to go to "just before an election". nt
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Mon Oct-15-07 04:47 PM
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12. So all these polling firms are in on it?
Rasmussen 10/11 - 10/14 750 LV 45 22 11 3 Clinton +23.0 American Res. Group 10/09 - 10/12 600 LV 45 20 13 3 Clinton +25.0 FOX News 10/09 - 10/10 377 LV 50 18 11 4 Clinton +32.0 Gallup 10/04 - 10/07 488 A 47 26 11 4 Clinton +21.0 AP-Ipsos 10/01 - 10/03 482 A 46 25 11 3 Clinton +21.0 ABC News/Wash Post 09/27 - 09/30 592 A 53 20 13 3 Clinton +33.0 CBS News* 09/14 - 09/16 Adults 43 22 16 -- Clinton +21.0 Gallup 09/14 - 09/16 531 A 47 25 11 5 Clinton +22.0 Reuters/Zogby 09/13 - 09/16 LV 35 21 10 3 Clinton +14.0 Pew Research 09/12 - 09/16 568 RV 42 25 14 3 Clinton +17.0 Cook/RT Strategies 09/13 - 09/15 405 RV 36 23 18 3 Clinton +13.0 FOX News 09/11 - 09/12 396 RV 43 24 13 1 Clinton +19.0 NBC/WSJ 09/07 - 09/10 Adults 44 23 16 4 Clinton +21.0 CNN 09/07 - 09/09 Adults 46 23 16 5 Clinton +23.0 NYT/CBS News* 09/04 - 09/09 Adults 44 26 17 -- Clinton +18.0 USA Today/Gallup 09/07 - 09/08 500 LV 45 24 16 2 Clinton +21.0 Are the nearly 200K donors a figment of the FEC's imagination?
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Mon Oct-15-07 06:42 PM
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Mon Oct-15-07 04:30 PM
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7. This race is far from over. Ignore the polls and support the candidate of your choice
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Mon Oct-15-07 07:54 PM
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25. That is a wonderful post and great suggestion. Thank you.
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Mon Oct-15-07 04:32 PM
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8. national polls are meaningless at this point.
It's the polls in the early primary states that matter. The race is very close in those states. These national polls are bullshit.
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Mon Oct-15-07 04:54 PM
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13. I think that the reporting has been skewed to make it look like a two/person
race, which I think is bullshit. And there are a lot of people like me stilling deciding what the hell they want to do.
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Mon Oct-15-07 04:54 PM
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14. Nobody says the primaries are over
except for clinton detractors building a strawman.
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Mon Oct-15-07 04:59 PM
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16. the firms only use primary voters from last election.
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Mon Oct-15-07 06:41 PM
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18. not a word about it on CNN Louuuuuu Dobbs..and now not a word
Edited on Mon Oct-15-07 06:42 PM by flyarm
on tweety... not a frigging word!! but don't worry they are cornating someone else!!:sarcasm: till the Gorenator comes in!! fly
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Mon Oct-15-07 06:52 PM
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22. Something is wrong. I just hope Obama and Edwards hang in there.
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Mon Oct-15-07 06:53 PM
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23. Simple the media whores want Hillary
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Mon Oct-15-07 07:05 PM
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24. Usually union support also means a lot of money.
Of course that won't necessarily be the case with Edwards. Maybe he will at least get a lot of volunteer help.
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Mon Oct-15-07 07:58 PM
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26. A large crowd in a state of millions isn't an accurate gauge of overall support. nt
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Mon Oct-15-07 08:11 PM
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27. But 10 major union endorsements is. And when the labor union in one's home state refuses to support
a candidate that looks bad. NY is refusing to endorse anyone rather than endorse Clinton.It seems a lot od Labor objects to some of her positions.Fancy that.
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Tue Oct-16-07 01:01 AM
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33. Well, I belong to a union, and I'm supporting Clinton.
I don't like what Obama said about merit pay, and I don't trust Edwards. I also wonder what percentage of the voting population these particular unions are.
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Tue Oct-16-07 01:55 AM
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34. The Ca Sieu alone has over 650,000 members!
And AFSCME has also indicated it will endorse Edwards!
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Tue Oct-16-07 05:24 PM
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36. Ah, but Calteacherguy doesn't trust him! He has such a shocking track record
of beating up on the little guy and sucking up to big business... Don't confuse him with facts and figures.
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Mon Oct-15-07 09:10 PM
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30. I don't trust polls or the msm
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Mon Oct-15-07 09:16 PM
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31. Edwards seems to be getting a lot of support from Democratic Party members
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Tue Oct-16-07 08:24 AM
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35. Nothing in the MSM as of today, Tuesday morning. This lack of coverage is bullshit.
We need to do something about this.
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