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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:08 PM Original message |
Despite being the most progressive populist of our top 3 candidates, Edwards does best in Red states |
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angstlessk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
1. Perhaps the keyword is 'populist'..how that became a bad word I have no idea |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
2. 'cause he speaks for the working person and poor |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
3. I believe Edwards could catch up and surprise folks |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I Said This Last Year... Edwards Isn't Getting ANY Credit & It's Been |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
4. 3rd link is nearly two months old. |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Quinnipiac is the only pollster doing Red/Blue/Purple national polling and this is Quinnipiac's most |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:45 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. 2 months is a long time especially since Thompson has officially entered the race |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:05 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. The Rasmussen polling is fro last week and it confirms that the late August Quinnipiac poll is still |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Diiffent polling firms polling at different times do not butress one another. |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. If that idea helps you sleep at night, I won't try to take it away from you. Agree to disagree? |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Sleep at night? |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
5. Red-state politics is about IDENTITY, not issues. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. So you think we can win without those states? Sheesh.And your contempt |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. I'm a "red stater." What's my identity? |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. I am too, and usually I'm the first one defending "red-staters" to the prejudiced |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #20 |
87. Well, if it's any consolation, Texas is looking a little more violet these days... |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
10. I'm hoping that Obama throws all his support behind Edwards BEFORE the primary. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. That would be fantastic. |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:49 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. The other way around would be better. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:46 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Smarmy? Do you know what he's done all his life? |
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Ninga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
11. Think about what the map would look like on the day after the GE if Edwards won |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. I live in Texas, and even though I'd prefer Kucinich over Edwards, I know Edwards' downballot effect |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Bahahahahahaha |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. We must not be talking to the same people! I live in a red state and a VERY |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Too pretty? Yeah, I guess that you're right, and Texans would never elect a guy with good hair: |
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GreenArrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:39 PM Response to Reply #19 |
60. he's the most "progressive". |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
16. ...because he's actually not all that progressive. |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
23. Got the numbers for North Carolina? |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:47 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. No, but I bet they don't show Hillary winning a head-to-head with a Repub candidate, do they? |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. I bet they do. |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:57 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Link? Link? Link? Link? Link? Link? Link? Link? Link? Link? Link? Link? |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:58 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Don't have one. |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:02 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Then what head-to-head North Carolina poll are you talking about? |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:03 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Same one you are. |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:09 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. I was referring to head-to-head polling and you asked if I'd seen the North Carolina numbers. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:04 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Here |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:06 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Yeah? How's Hillary doing on putting away her home state of Illinois? |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:09 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Since you asked. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:13 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. She Hasn't Lived In Illinois In Thirty Years... |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:29 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. I'm not the one who started asking questions about home states. Is Illinois Hillary's home state or |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:52 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. Who did? |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:23 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Looks like |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:41 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. Last Illinois poll: Obama was around 60, Hillary around 25. 2 weeks ago. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:47 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Since its only two weeks old it should be easy to provide a link. |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:52 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. And I thought I was the only one that had her number. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:55 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Hey Willy! |
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waiting for hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #40 |
86. I take offense to that - I live in NC |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Quinnipiac: Hillary only Dem to beat Guiliani an all three top Swing states...support is deep... |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:56 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. When you say "Hillary carries all the Kerry states and OH and FL she will" win, that confirms the |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:00 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Hmmm |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. North Carolina Is Not A Swing State |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Exactly. Someone referenced polling in North Carolina but you responded with swing state polling |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. So what about Edwards losing Kerry states vs Rudy like NJ, PA & NY? |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:16 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. We both know that Edwards would campaign in NJ, PA, & NY. Hillary won't even campaign in many states |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Exactly, he would have to waste time and money defending home turf vs making inroads down South |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:31 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. TX Hasn't Gone Blue Since 1976 |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
63. Actually, Edwards polls the strongest in most of the races in that new Quinnipiac poll, too: |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #63 |
79. Losing in PA or NY does not make him the strongest candidate when Hillary wins there. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:52 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. So how do you know Hillary has hit her peak? |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:57 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. I guess we'll see. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:00 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Well yeah. Predicting "peaks" is difficult at best. |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
51. I can gladly get beind Edwards. If not Obama, I will support Edwards gladly |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:44 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I'm happy with Edwards or Obama. I think Edwards is a stronger 50 state candidate, but from a policy |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
56. Probably because he's not an opportunistic warmonger. |
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maximusveritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
61. It's pretty obvious what the reason is |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 09:42 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. The reason is pretty obvious to a lot of people: |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
64. And Clinton, the most conservative, is doing the best with Democrats. Strange world, huh? |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:16 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. It's a world in which a lot of money buys a lot of votes, and Hillary has a lot of money. |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:03 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Also, it doesn't hurt that she's the wife of the de facto leader and best fund raiser in the party. |
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jackster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
66. I've heard from several "conservatives" |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:12 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. The populist ideas of (1) universal health care, (2) wage hikes, (3) progressive taxation, (4) job |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
68. I get the impression that Edwards' "progressiveness" is only skin deep |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:24 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. He's no Kucinich, I must admit, but Edwards is very pro-fair trade (anti-"free" trade): |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:46 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Nice rhetoric. But I was referring to Edward's support for maintaining MFN for China and NAFTA |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Once upon a time Kucinich was pro-life, Hillary was a Republican, Obama went by "Barry," Clark was a |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. These are his *current* positions. The presto-changeo conversion simply lessens his credibility |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:08 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. I like debate about the candidates' positions but you should make an effort to be factually accurate |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. "[NAFTA] needs to be fixed," Edwards said," |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Edwards doesn't support "maintaining" NAFTA. He proposes the most comprehensive overhaul for NAFTA |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Any specifics? Also, why the silence about CHINA? nt |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. There is no "silence about CHINA." He addressed it in the video I linked. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 03:07 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. I'm not in a position to listen to video/audio where I am. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 03:08 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. OK, should have said, "Silence regarding his continuing support for MFN status for China," nt |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 03:15 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. I agree with Kucinich on this. Other than Kucinich, which candidate is better than Edwards on trade |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 03:19 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. So you concede, after all of this, that John Edwards supports maintaing NAFTA and MFN for China? |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 03:37 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. OF COURSE NOT. Does your mommy know that you are playing on her computer? Other than Kucinich, |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 03:51 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Just because its unflattering, doesn't mean it's untrue...sorry |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. My argument is not "Edwards supports MFN for China." I cannot tell you where anyone but Kucinich |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. John Edwards VOTED for MFN for China. That's "a statement supporting MFN..." nt |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 02:50 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. “There is no more important relationship that America has than our relationship with China," |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
72. thank you for this! |
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