If Bush invades Pakistan, you will all cheer?

[sakkatta]

since Obama is "right?"

[killbotfactory]

1. Obama is not going to invade Pakistan

Enough with the red herrings!

[TwilightGardener]

2. "Invade"? Like topple the Pakistani government and seize Islamabad?

[jmp]

18. You may not seize Islamabad, but it may topple Musharef anyway. (nm)

...

[TwilightGardener]

19. I'm aware he's in a precarious position, thanks.

[jmp]

20. And if Obama's actions topple Musharef ...

What is Obama's plan to deal with that? Is he prepared to launch a full invasion to "stabilize" a country with a muslim population of 160,000,000+? Or does he propose that we sit back and watch bin Laden acquire nukes?

You don't take action unless you are prepared to deal with the consequences. That is how Bush ended up in Iraq. You have to think things all the way through.

[TwilightGardener]

23. Musharraf might be toppled one way or the other--

we have to be prepared for that no matter WHO is President. That doesn't mean that action against OBL and AQ targets are simply forever off-limits as long as Pakistan is allowing them safe harbor, does it?

[jmp]

24. It means that as long as there is a viable alternative ...

... we stick with it. And when there is no longer that viable alternative ... we find another one. Threatening to send troops across their border isn't helping any, nor would toppling a dictator and replacing him with chaos.

It seems to me that we just made that mistake. We might want to learn from that screwup and not repeat it.

[jmp]

25. btw there is an alternative to getting bin Laden Dead or Alive

We can make him irrelevant. bin Laden doesn't need to swing by his neck for us to win this war.

[TwilightGardener]

26. No--he needs to be caught, if it's at all possible and feasible to

do so without causing WW3. As long as he's alive, free, and still at the head of a resurgent AQ, he serves as a powerful example that terrorism is an effective tactic against the Western world. The leadership is what we're after, and that's who we cannot get right now. You can kill tons of small fish, but there will always be more. The big fish recruit, organize, and inspire. As long as countries such as Afghanistan and Pakistan harbor them, they are supported rather than marginalized, and will continue to act against us. International pressure definitely needs to be brought to bear, and it has, but we're kind of at a standoff with Pakistan now. No one wants to make a bad situation worse--obviously I don't believe Obama does either. But a President's first duty is to protect the citizens, and so far we can't get the head of the snake that wants to keep striking us.

[tularetom]

bush would manage to fuck it up

so no I wouldn't cheer

[ProSense]

3. The question should be: If Bush sends U.S. troops into Paskistan, you will all cheer?

Not me! Impeach Bush.

Bring the troops home.

[babylonsister]

4. I will cheer when we get out of there all together and stop senseless,

bloody, illegal occupations.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

5. There is a reason even Bush-Cheney have never done this... nt

[Joe the Revelator]

27. yeah, because they decided to avenge a silly grudge with Iraq nt

[sandnsea]

6. If Bush gets Bin Laden - fuckin'a right I'd cheer

And anybody who wouldn't has got a screw loose. And I don't give a shit what filthy names you call me because I said it.

[Connie_Corleone]

7. There's a difference between invading a country and going after the AQ leadership.

Bush had the chance to hit the AQ leadership in 2005 and he didn't do it. So, he won't be invading Pakistan, overthrowing the government and nation building.

[emilyg]

8. No.

[Adelante]

9. Obama did not say he would invade Pakistan

You are twisting what he said.

[jmp]

17. Crossing their border against their wishes IS invading.

Any time your armed forces cross into another country absent an invitation ... that IS an invasion.

[Old and In the Way]

10. You're not good at nuanced responses, right?

Big fat red herring. I know the Democrats won't be looking to lie about casus belli's so that they can consolidate domestic power at home while they spend a Trillion, feeding their financial backers.

[Norrin Radd]

11. I'll cheer when the "concern" subsides.

[Laurab]

30. I think I will, too

I'm kind of tired of the "concern" - I thought it would be gone by today, but it's really being dragged out.

[Doctor_J]

12. I will.

It should be crystal clear from today's announcements that we are not going to get the country back by any legal/peaceful methods. I am hoping * or whoever succeeds him launches WW III, since that's the only thing that's going to get us out of this mess.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

13. if Bin Laden is captured or killed

you bet your ass.

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[democratsin08]

15. obama seems war hungry

we have a pro war candidate, yuck

[jmp]

16. Of course they would ... now that Obama agrees with him.

Some people wait for their favorite candidate to take a position ... and then grab their pom-poms and go to work. Yay team! ;)

[Ethelk2044]

21. You need to watch his speech again and then read it. He did not say

He would invade. I know you are a newbie. However, you need to get a dictionary to learn what the difference is between pressure and invade.

[NaturalHigh]

22. I don't want anyone to invade Pakistan...

and I think it's stupid for anyone to suggest we do so.

[CTLawGuy]

28. Obama never said he would invade Pakistan

but don't let facts get in the way of the outrage :eyes:

[Clintonista2]

32. Obama would send troops into pakistan without permission

I know how much you would be defending Hillary if she had said what Obama did :eyes:

[mzmolly]

29. He wont do that, he's good friends with the Bin Ladens. He'll continue to tell his foolish

supporters "we got Saddam" and "I'm not concerned about Osama." And said supporters will continue to feel "good" about killing brown people in the name of an odd sense of so called "patriotism."

Ye haw!

[dionysus]

31. strawman\flamebait