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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 11:21 PM Original message |
Because Al Gore and Obama did not vote on the Iraq War, should we dismiss their 2002 stance? |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 11:27 PM Response to Original message |
1. The difference is Gore did not vote to fund the war consistently for 2 years |
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 11:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Gore doesn't go around making speeches that call for immediate pullouts; is he not anti-IWR than? nm |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 11:53 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. I am not familiar with Gore's position on Iraq post-2002 |
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:08 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. You forgot one: Obama did not support Bush/Leiberman's War when it actually mattered in 2002. nm |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:10 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. There would be no war today if Murtha's plan or Kerry-Feingold became law |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 09:06 AM Response to Reply #15 |
45. Murtha's plan was NEVER voted in the Senate |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:38 AM Response to Reply #14 |
22. He wasn't in a position to vote. IMO, a vote counts more than an opinion.n/t |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 02:27 AM Response to Reply #22 |
34. Kerry's opinion on Oct 10 2002 |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 06:40 AM Response to Reply #34 |
41. yes |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 06:58 AM Response to Reply #22 |
43. An opinion counts just as well. He was not out pushing for a wrong war. |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 05:08 PM Response to Reply #22 |
57. Then explain Obama's votes to fund the war |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:32 AM Response to Reply #1 |
17. You can find most of these answer's at his Senate website |
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:33 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. thanks, maybe the Obama haters should read this. nm |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:50 AM Original message |
Thanks. That sounds very similar to this |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 08:57 AM Response to Reply #1 |
44. This is a ridiculous position for an Edwards person |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
2. IMO, Speaking out against the IWR in not the same as having to cast a vote on it. |
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JanusAscending (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 11:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Hey Wisteria!!! |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:32 AM Response to Reply #4 |
18. They were briefed yes and based on the briefings and in one situation I am aware of consulted |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
3. Obama was right about the Iraq war |
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penguin7 (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 11:45 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. How do we know Obama was right? |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 11:51 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. As far as I know |
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penguin7 (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:21 AM Response to Reply #8 |
16. I do not think that is true |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:36 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Well the Obama supporters will have to fill you in then |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 02:01 AM Response to Reply #16 |
32. Not entirely the case, he had to defeat two much better funded candidates in the primary |
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penguin7 (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 10:33 AM Response to Reply #32 |
53. Not exactly |
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 02:32 AM Response to Reply #16 |
36. You may want to read this Penguin |
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penguin7 (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 10:28 AM Response to Reply #36 |
50. I would like to see the video |
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penguin7 (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:22 PM Response to Reply #36 |
54. Is this published somewhere? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 05:03 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. If it wasn't authentic his opponents would call him on it |
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JanusAscending (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:59 AM Response to Reply #6 |
28. Probably the same thing that you did???? |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 11:42 PM Response to Original message |
5. Many democratic senators voted against the war. |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:37 AM Response to Reply #5 |
21. They didn't vote for the war, they voted to give our President the authority he needed to protect us |
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Like It Is (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:04 AM Response to Reply #21 |
29. That's exactly right. |
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 02:33 AM Response to Reply #21 |
37. unchecked authority? Bad judgment if you ask me. nm |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 06:29 AM Response to Reply #21 |
39. You're taking the naive and irresponsible position |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 06:44 AM Response to Reply #21 |
42. So Ted Kennedy didn't want to protect us? and Russ Feingold? and Robert Byrd? |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
7. If they had favored the war and backed IWR would we dismiss it? |
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penguin7 (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:03 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. I don't agree with that |
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:07 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Great point. nm |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:48 AM Response to Reply #7 |
23. What? Obama was not elected to the Illinois Senate based on his opinion about the IWR. |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:50 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. These are his reasons for not voting for Kerry-Feingold |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:53 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. That sounds just like Hillary Clinton's speech on voting against Kerry-Feingold |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:54 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. He also stood against Murtha's 2005 call to end the war and against defunding the escalation in 2007 |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:54 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Here are his major speeches on Iraq from 2005-2007 |
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jmp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 06:34 AM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Obama has repeatedly voted to continue the war. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 02:16 AM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Kerry-Feingold was the better choice |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 06:17 AM Response to Reply #23 |
38. He would be nowhere if he hadn't opposed the war in 2002 in the terms that he did |
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Like It Is (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:08 AM Response to Reply #7 |
30. Please, quit making things up! Have some integrity. n/t |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
11. Obama would have voted no. it is a matter of judgement. |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:50 AM Response to Reply #11 |
24. You can't know that for a fact. This is nothing more than your opinion. n/t |
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 02:28 AM Response to Reply #24 |
35. It's common sense he would have voted no. Anything short of that is a smear by Obama haters. nm |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 09:07 AM Response to Reply #24 |
46. Self delete. Sorry. |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 09:07 AM Response to Reply #24 |
47. Howard Dean, Jimmy Carter, and Noam Chomsky didn't vote for or against either. |
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BigDDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
48. The followers of Saint BO don't like to acknowledge it |
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beastieboy (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
49. Why did John Kerry get a pass on 2004, but Hillary is getting berated? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. He got NO pass in 2004 |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
51. I don't dismiss Gore's stance. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
52. That's crazy desperate |
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