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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:11 PM Original message |
3,613 Americans killed in a war Hillary and Edwards supported. |
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NMDemDist2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
1. oh please! |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
2. Hasn't Anyone Told You? |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
3. Yet Obama still voted repeatedly to fund it, until he changed his mind last vote. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Much Different Thing |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:33 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. It still precludes treating Obama like a paragon of virtue on the war issue. |
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maximusveritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #3 |
21. Most anti-war people supported funding; it's only recently that |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. And a lot of anti-war people formerly supported the war. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 04:33 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. Something like 100 million Americans. Look at what BO's camp is effectively saying to them |
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maximusveritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 05:07 PM Response to Reply #22 |
38. There's a huge difference |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 05:10 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. We all have their blood on our hands, one way or another. |
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MGKrebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 05:50 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. Reading the intelligence is not a factor here. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 04:31 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. That isn't true. Only 14 senators voted against funding this time, and 2 did so at the last minute |
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lazer47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
4. Are you trying to say you support Hilliary or John Edwards???? |
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BeatleBoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
5. So if you're Pro Choice, then you are responsible for |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 04:34 PM Response to Reply #5 |
31. Bingo! nt |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
6. Now, now... If they only knew THEN, what they know NOW n/t |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
7. Easy when you aren't required to VOTE on it. |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. This is an excellent point |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Too bad the |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
9. Yet Obama is not calling for a complete withdrawal of American forces |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:28 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Obama Effectively Is Calling For Complete Withdrawal |
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Catchawave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:27 AM Response to Reply #11 |
49. Linky? Obama certainly isn't that shallow |
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muffin1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
10. It's easy for Obama to say he opposed it |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 05:09 PM Response to Reply #10 |
39. Obama called it a "dumb war" at a time when that view was unpopular |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 05:10 PM Response to Reply #10 |
40. At the time |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
14. When you find a perfect statesman, let me know, I'll vote for him |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Yes, hindsight is 20/20, but how could anyone,... |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:58 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Or perhaps it came down to "will my one vote do anything compared to to the good I can do..." |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. I think your Wellstone point definitely has merit |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 04:14 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Because they had no chance of becoming President? |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 04:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. So you're willing to live in a country run by intimidation instead of the Constitution? |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 04:42 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Am I willing to or do I live in one? |
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Big Pappa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #26 |
36. Good grief. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 05:06 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. I don't think I give them nearly enough |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
15. Bashing of this short is best left to the RW-- |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
18. He called it "dumb" and "rash" in October of 2002 |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. How is it that Obama understood this, but Edwards and Clinton didn't? |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:58 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. That's correct...first, one obviously must blame Bush for forcing the issue |
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jackbourassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
20. Obama is a visionary... |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 04:36 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. He is so visionary he took down his much hyped "visionary" speech from his website nt |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
27. Ah, the IWR card. Remember how well the IWR and tons of money worked for Dean? |
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DinahMoeHum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
34. Edwards, at least, had the balls to do a mea culpa. . . |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
35. They supported it, because they were lied to. |
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MGKrebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
42. OK, I'll kick your bullshit thread to say this: |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
43. this is my thought on all three candidates and the war. |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 05:53 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Edwards was on the Intelligence Committee |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
46. 3,613 Americans killed in a war repeatedly funded by Obama. n/t |
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:59 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. mixing apples and oranges. nt |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:23 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Bullshit. |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:31 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Hillary did not think it was important enough t read the report. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:36 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. I agree. |
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maximusveritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:45 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. So you think Feingold is complicit? Moreso than Edwards even? |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. I don't see that anywhere in what I said. |
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maximusveritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 12:28 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. I'm just applying your logic |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 12:52 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. I'm unsure of why Feingold is such |
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maximusveritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. I use Feingold as an example |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 01:48 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. As an example of what? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
53. Their votes displease me |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
59. A fair post. K&R. nt |
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