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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:22 PM Original message |
I expect all those outraged over Hillary's support of the flag burning law |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
1. Yes, actually. I disagree with anybody who tries to restrict free speech. |
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stevedeshazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
2. Please. |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. It's not... |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. In a way, Hillary's position is worse. |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. So you would include Howard Dean in that condemnation? |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:45 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Like I said: I take issue with anybody who supports it. |
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stevedeshazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Because none of the others has introduced recent legislation |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:50 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Actually she is merely a co-sponsor... |
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stevedeshazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:56 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. I hope you're right |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. Bashing gays is a political ploy too |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:08 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Hardly equivelent... |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:22 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. She is not bashing anyone...except flag burners...who I bash too |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Politics is a shitty game... |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:39 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. I am not going to support politicians who |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:46 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. And this is why we lose... |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:55 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. No it isn't. |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 10:01 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. It is possible to bash flag burners... |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 10:24 PM Response to Reply #48 |
60. "The law, it is my understanding would have to be directly intimidating" |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 10:29 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Depends on the type of intimidation I suppose... |
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400Years (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:43 AM Response to Reply #26 |
69. So you hold a piece of cloth as more important than the freedom |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Wesley Clark, Dennis Kucinich and Mark Dayton aren't going to run |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:51 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. You don't think Wesley Clark is going to run for Pesident? |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:00 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. He may run but he probably will not be one of the forerunners. |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:03 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. He is certainly the favorite on DU... |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:08 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. I have doubts that he is the favorite here, except in the minds of his |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:09 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Check out the polls on Kos... |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:10 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. Clark will run, and he should, though Hillary may be running harder now |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:58 PM Response to Reply #28 |
47. Check the link, Sharpton was next on the list.Sharpton had more |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 10:12 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. Fine. I happen to think it matters though when people stop |
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MuseRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
36. Not Kucinich |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:47 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Making him a what? |
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MuseRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:58 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. I prefer the word growth actually |
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formernaderite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 10:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
63. I am indeed surprised to see Kucinich's name on that list |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 12:18 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. She has consistently opposed an amendment... |
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Nay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
3. I am outraged about any Dem supporting such a stupid, pandering, |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Yeah, but Hillary is held accountable and not Dean |
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nosmokes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
5. i'm sorry, could you show me where kuchinich |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Scroll about 2/3 the way down... |
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nosmokes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:14 PM Response to Reply #9 |
29. i'll be damned. i'd a never figured dennis for a yes vote |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Voted YES on Amendment to prohibit burning the US flag. (Jun 1999) |
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MuseRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
30. He doesn't. |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
6. The flag burning issue is just a rightwing attempt to rally the base |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
17. good point |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
18. Welp let's burn them all. They're all DINO Rethug-LITE whores. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:16 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. and have no Dems left at all |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:17 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. That's my game bay-bay |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
20. We were having a nuanced dialog on the other thread |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Sorry...I didn't mean to abandon the other... |
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RagingInMiami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
39. Hillary's pandering is so fucking obvious |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:49 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Both of whom have support anti-flag burning measures... |
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RagingInMiami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:50 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. But did they vote for the war? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:51 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. And was it pandering? n/t |
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RagingInMiami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:55 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Was what pandering? |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 10:05 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. I don't think she does... |
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RagingInMiami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 10:22 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. I'm not basing my opinion on what I read about her on DU |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 10:23 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. That's fair... |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:55 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Since neither was in Congress... |
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RagingInMiami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 10:04 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Meanwhile |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 10:06 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. I could lead you to documentation from the Summer of 2002 |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 10:12 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. If that is the case... |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 10:16 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Thank you. And you are right that most Democrats who did vote |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 10:08 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Honesty |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 10:13 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. See my reply to Tom Rinaldo.... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 10:26 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. It isn't simple |
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IChing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 10:19 PM Response to Reply #40 |
57. Please give proof of Dean's support since you were a supporter of Dean |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 10:25 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. I assume you are talking about a flag burning law... |
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IChing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 12:20 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. thanks I will still burn my chinese or foreign made flag and even a |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 12:23 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. To tell you the truth... |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
65. Finally! A sane voice on the DU!!! Woo Hoo!!!!! |
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