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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 04:02 PM
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8/12/05 Daniel Hopsicker- Army Intel Exposes Massive FBI Coverup
Edited on Sat Aug-13-05 04:03 PM by Al-CIAda
August 12,2005-Venice, FL.
by Daniel Hopsicker


The importance of this week’s revelation that an Army intelligence unit was tracking Mohamed Atta’s movements in the U.S. during 1999 and 2000 is so mind-boggling that it seems nobody quite gets it yet...

You’ve been hearing it for three years in articles in the MadCowMorningNews, and in “Welcome to TerrorLand.”

Now you can hear it from an elite Army intelligence unit, one with at least several patriots with very large cojones. Their testimony is clear, explicit, and uncompromisingly contradicts the FBI's official story. Only one conclusion can be drawn from it...

The FBI has been telling a massive lie to the 9.11 Commission and the American people, a lie whose result has been to halt in its tracks, as a Commission spokesman freely admitted on Thursday, the investigation into the murder of almost 3000 people.

People go to jail for that sort of thing, don’t they?

God willing, we may be about to find out.
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Full Detailed article-
http://www.madcowprod.com/08122005.html
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 04:09 PM
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1. how odd..
This morning I read that the moonie repub that brought it up had no corroboration for the story?

It was all over the news, now it's not..
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 04:17 PM
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2. whats behind all this--were the dem members of the committee trying
to preserve the Clinton legacy?--This on the Fox newscaster today--as they were discussing this issue. The guest had the wisdom not to repond to this so obvious comment.
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 04:31 PM
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3. Maybe it's disappearing for the reason Hopsiker suggests,
Edited on Sat Aug-13-05 04:41 PM by enough
because the real glaringly obvious story here is FBI lies to 9/11 Commission, not the "Clinton soft on terrorism" spin.

snip>

Here’s the big question nobody seems to be ready to ask: Upon what basis did the 9.11 Commission conclude that the FBI’s timeline was correct and that an elite Army Intel unit was mistaken in saying they were tracking Mohamed Atta roaming freely across America during 1999 and 2000?


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Calling unwelcome attention to the massive inaccuracies in the FBI’s timeline was probably not Republican Curt Weldon’s purpose when he brought the story to light...But if his efforts to implicate Clinton Administration officials results in highlighting the FBI's incomplete and corrupt investigation, we think he get some kind of medal, maybe called the Inadvertent 'Dumb-Ass' Hero Award.

We suspect his Republican friends would much prefer to let sleeping dogs lie. Because it isn’t just one elite Army Intel unit that’s saying it... In the aftermath of the 9.11 attack numerous eyewitnesses came forward to attest to Atta’s presence in the U.S. before June of 2000.

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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 04:33 PM
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4. Didnt the same people state they never informed the FBI? /nt
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 04:40 PM
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5. Daniel Hopsicker is one great reporter...always has been.
If he could get Sibel Edmonds in a secret location for about 12 hours for an interview, he would hunt down all of her leads, and PROVE them, without even mentioning her name. He's relentless in his investigations.

:kick::kick::kick:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 04:50 PM
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6. Got my vote
:hi:
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 07:00 PM
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7. Thanks. nt
:hi: :patriot:
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 08:17 PM
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8. Kick and thanks for posting this!
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 08:30 PM
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9. I don't know why anyone here at DU is surprised at this
One name: Colleen Rowley. (There's another name too, the name of the guy in Arizona, but I don't remember it.)

Rowley and her colleagues in the field even joked at the time (she THOUGHT it was a joke) that FBIHQ was doing such an effective job of stifling their investigation that they must have a mole in there.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 02:11 PM
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19. Yes as Oprah would say
Trust your instinct. The little voice that tells you something's wrong here.

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After, when Rowley talked to other FBI agents in other parts of the country, the first question was Why?—"Why would an FBI agent(s) deliberately sabotage a case?" Agent Rowley reports that jokes were made that FBI Headquarters personnel were "spies" or "moles" who were actually "working for Osama Bin Laden." (Rowley Report p. 7)

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/02/43525.shtml

On my search for the truth about 9/11 this certainly will never leave my mind.

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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 08:35 PM
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10. Rec'd. There's a big story here. Will it really come out?
I think it will.

Remember just a few months ago, we despaired of ANY investigative journalism by the corporate media.

Now they're waking from Rove's hypnotic spell, and eager to to make things happen.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 08:48 PM
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11. The ludicrous tissue of lies that is the 9/11 Commission Report cannot
stand any reasonable, honest investigation. There are so many holes, so many deliberate omissions, so many brazen lies, it is a house of cards waiting for the first card to be pulled out.

Maybe this is it.

If real investigations begin, that report will be shown not only to be totally false, but to be a whitewash for one of the greatest acts of treason and inhumanity ever performed by high-level officials of the US government.

And friends, when I think about what lies behind the 9/11 coverup, which must have involved many top military people, I wonder again why Colonel Byrnes has been purged on a pretext despite his distiguished record and honesty.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4337284
Thread title: General Kennedy on General Byrnes - "Something is Amiss"

Are they planning ANOTHER staged domestic attack to kick off invasion of Iran? The signs sure point that way. Maybe they are purging people who would blow the whistle.
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sintax Donating Member (891 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 09:05 PM
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12. kick n/t
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:20 AM
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13. Two oddities that I picked up following various news stories:
Nicholas Berg

When Nicholas Berg was beheaded, there were quotes in the news articles from FBI spokespersons to the effect that Berg had been questioned by the FBI at a prior date regarding the presence of Berg's email password and address in Zacharias Mousaoui's computer. The articles were in May '04 (after the beheading). They were talking about a questioning of Berg that had occurred just after 9/11. When Coleen Rowley finally got into Mousaoui's computer, they found Nicholas Berg's name, and email password and address, in Mousaoui's computer. When the FBI had questioned Berg about it (so said the FBI in the articles in May '04), Berg told them that he had just happened to meet Mousaoui on a bus, when Berg was going to a college class. Mousaoui, a stranger, asked to use Berg's computer, and Berg complied. And apparently the FBI was satisfied with this story and didn't pursue it further.

This is, of course, the famous Mousaoui computer that Rowley was trying to get permission to enter BEFORE 9/11 (Aug. '01), and for which she could not get permission from FBI hdqtrs (prompting her famous whistleblowing letter). If she HAD gotten into the computer, she would have found Berg's name, etc.

When Berg vanished in Iraq in May '04 (he was supposedly there looking for business for the company that he and his father owned--electrical or communication line installation, maybe cell phone towers--can't recall), his parents petitioned Donald Rumsfeld to get him released. There were a lot of disinformation items about his having been detained by Iraqi police, but the Iraqi police denied it. It seems pretty clear that he was detained and interrogated by the FBI, the Defense Dept. or some US agency--held for about 10 days, as I recall--then was dumped on the street in the middle of the assault on Fallujah (had contact with his hotel), disappeared, and turned up beheaded (with video).

His beheading then became a cause celebre for Freepers and dittoheads--to counter the impact on the public of the just recently released (May '04) Abu Ghraib torture photos. These heinous monsters who behead Americans deserve everything they're getting--was the thinking.

There is something EXTREMELY SUSPICIOUS about the Nicholas Berg event--especially this business about the computer, that the name and email address of that highly publicized victim would have been lurking in the computer of the supposed 9/11 "15th hijacker," and unavailable to honest FBI investigators prior to 9/11.

One thing I can't figure out is WHY the FBI spokespeople who were quoted in the May '04 news articles would reveal their previous questioning of Berg to the news media. Possibilities: the FBI spokespeople who said these things were trying to signal the public and independent investigators to get on this; or maybe, they were just trying to explain why Berg was in US custody in Iraq (why he would have been picked up), although it doesn't really explain that. It's not known what his interrogation was about.

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The House Intelligence Committee investigation of the FBI in summer '01:

Remember, there was a big scandal of some kind, and an ongoing investigation? Louis Freeh was involved (then FBI head). I was aware of this because Gary Condit was a member of the House Intel Comm. and presumably had access to gov't intel. That was the summer (2001) of Chandra Levy's disappearance. I was interested in the connections between Condit and Cheney.

Condit met with Cheney on the day that Chandra Levy disappeared (May 1, 2001)--in the very window of time when she was abducted and killed. Condit released his schedule for that week--week of May 1, 2001--in June. Newsweek then permitted Cheney to plant a story about that meeting--that it was only 20 mins., with aides present--in an early August edition of Newsweek. In the planted story, Cheney aides said that neither Cheney nor anyone in his office had been questioned by anyone--not FBI, not DC police, not reporters--about that meeting with Condit during Levy's disappearance hours, not even to verify that it had taken place. I thought that was extremely odd--that no one had questioned Cheney or aides--and also that Cheney's account of the meeting would turn up in Newsweek, three months later, apropos of nothing.

It occurred to me that the FBI likely had done background on Condit (whose name had been touted on a White House appointments list), and likely knew about all of Condit's mistresses (at least three), and that Cheney likely ALSO had the dirt on Condit (when he met with him on May 1, the day Levy disappeared). Condit meanwhile is sitting on the House Intel. Comm., investigating the FBI, and privy to gov't secrets. (What a Byzantine situation!).

The result of the Cheney/Condit meeting on May 1 (apparently) was that Condit, a Democrat, voted FOR Bush's first tax cut for the rich, two days later, on May 3 (one of only ten Democrats who did so--in an extremely close vote). (--this was two days after Levy disappeared.)

There was also some odd stuff about, a) Condit calling someone in the FBI around May 7 or so, after Levy's parents had contacted Condit re: Levy seemed to be missing, and an early search of Levy's apartment without a warrant; and b) Levy had apparently applied to the FBI for a job, or wanted to do so (her Bureau of Prisons internship having been terminated early, several weeks before her disappearance).

Here's a CNN news article on what was wrong with the FBI (May 19, 2001):

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/05/19/keating.fix.fbi/

"The FBI has taken heat for the alleged espionage of former agent Robert Hanssen and the recent discovery of thousands of pages of misplaced documents from the Oklahoma City bombing case.

"One of the four things the FBI could do to fix the 'mess' in which it now finds itself, Keating said, is to complete a thorough review of the agency's computer systems.

"Some FBI officials have said the McVeigh document glitch stemmed from outdated computers, though Freeh denied that before a congressional panel Wednesday."

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It's interesting that FBI computers would be mentioned as a particular problem. There was an odd bit about Chandra Levy's computer. It went to the FBI Lab (after the 2nd search of her apartment, I believe), but then it took them two months--mid-May to mid-July--to figure out where she'd gone in MapQuest searches that day. Her MapQuest searches (which, according to news reports, the FBI had only just discovered) supposedly triggered a high profile search of Rock Creek Park in late July--with lines of cadets paraded around in front page photos. Why did it take them 2 months to figure this out?

This high profile search was followed a week later by the Cheney-planted item in Newsweek.

The search of her computer also changed the window of time during which she disappeared, from mid-morning to early afternoon. Condit met with Cheney at noon on May 1, and, except for the meeting with Cheney, had a three-hour hole in his schedule from noon to 3 pm. It thus became rather important that the meeting with Cheney was only 20 mins., and with aides present--the item planted in Newsweek by Cheney aides--because the meeting had occurred DURING her disappearance hours (not afterwards).

Dick Cheney was Condit's only alibi during Chandra Levy's abduction and death--and no one questioned him or his aides about it, and there is all kinds of funny stuff about Levy's computer and how long it took to figure out her computer use that day (and even about the whereabouts of her computer--first, FBI Lab, later, a "private lab"*).

(*See: http://www.capitolgrilling.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/3/581/4.html)

Levy's decayed body was found not far off a pathway in Rock Creek Park nine months later, post 9/11, in May '02.

I have no particular conclusions about any of this. These facts have just stuck in my brain. But I do remember thinking at the time: Wow, the DC news media have really gotten corrupt (their handling of the Levy story was a shock to me)--and things are not well in our nation's capitol.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:31 AM
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14. P.S. Here's a good example of how Nicholas Berg's beheading was used
to excuse the Abu Ghraib torture. If that was the true purpose of the beheading, it worked to perfection, with someone (this writer, Evan Coyne Maloney) who was already inclined to look the other way if a few innocent Iraqis were tortured in the course of the theorectical prevention of terrorist attacks against "our soldiers and citizens."

http://brain-terminal.com/articles/world/ghraib-berg.html
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:35 AM
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15. Not to be sick, but watch the Nick Berg video again..........
Please nobody take this as a racist statement because it is not in anyway. Nick Berg was of Jewish descent, and had very bright white skin. The people who where in the video with him, that beheaded him were just as light skinned as he was. I have a hard time buying that whole story, many things do not add up.
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bribri16 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:40 PM
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31. I felt from the beginning that our special ops killed Berg. The video
looks like he was held at Abu Gharib.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:50 AM
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16. Berg threads
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 05:14 PM
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21. My God!!
I became involved in politics after selection 2000. I am just speechless at the reality I have found. I am of the opinion that all is lost for this country. The corruption runs so deep. Between this thread and the Rolling Stone article today, I have little hope. They have to nuke Iran just to change the subject.

I am just sick.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 06:41 AM
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33. Later thought about the Nicholas Berg story. My memory is a bit fuzzy on
who said what in the post-beheading articles about Nicholas Berg. It may have been his father who disclosed that the FBI had questioned him earlier on his email address and password being in Zacharias Moussaoui's computer. I'll have to go back and find the articles and re-read them. Time-frame of Nicholas Berg's story as to when he met Moussaoui by accident on a bus was back in 1999.

But whether it was his father or the FBI, it is the damndest story! What are the odds against a later supposed Al Quaeda victim (Nick, beheaded) in Iraq, supposedly on innocent business in Iraq, having his email address and password in the supposed 20th (not 15th) 9/11 hijacker's computer--the very computer that Coleen Rowley was trying to get into BEFORE 9/11? And if she HAD gotten into it, she would have been led to...Nicholas Berg (long before the invasion of Iraq, the occupation, and the insurgency)...

I just find this mind-boggling.
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 10:57 AM
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17. Randy Glass was working with the FBI...
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:53 PM
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18. .
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 04:01 PM
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20. Time for a kick. Lots of stuff to pay attention to as well as Cindy.
The FBI’s timeline, their chronology of events, the essential tool of any homicide investigation, is wrong. And not wrong by accident, either.

Wrong on purpose. Wrong by design.


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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:03 PM
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22. "just trying to shift the blame to Clinton"
some on DU have suggested that the "Atta revelations" are just a transparent ploy by the republicans to shift the blame for 9/11 to Clinton ... i think they're wrong ...

far more important than mere politics is the integrity of the 9/11 commission itself ... this report really calls into question, on a very central issue, the quality of the commission's processes ... if reports are correct, commission staffers had this information but chose not to make it available to committee members ...

what else didn't they make available? who were these staffers and on what did they make such judgments?

i think the media coverage of the "Atta revelations" are very important ... it would be great if further investigations, real investigations, were called for ... clearly something was wrong with the research processes used by the committee ... this question is whether this failure was intentional (and why?) or was it just incompetence? either way, an event like 9/11 is far too important for this sort of failure ...

the "Atta revelations" prove neither a LIHOP nor a MIHOP ... the shortcomings of the 9/11 Commission, on the other hand, offer no proof that either was not a possibility ...
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:16 PM
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23. A documentary by Daniel Hopsicker (WMV File)-Download 99.2MB
MOHAMED ATTA AND THE VENICE FLYING CIRCUS

Three of the four terrorist pilots learned to fly in tiny Venice, Florida, a sleepy retirement community with the second oldest population of any city in the entire United States... They attended flight schools owned by two Dutch nationals, one of whom has Mob ties. Did 19 Arab terrorists from desert Kingdoms roam around in Florida as if they'd been listening to Tom Petty albums all their lives all by themselves? Or were they being trained here in a still-secret covert intelligence operation that somehow went horribly wrong?  A documentary by Daniel Hopsicker.
Download 99.2MB
 
http://www.lastingnetworks.com/alexvideos/flyingcircus256.wmv
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:34 PM
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24. Hopsicker nails it, as usual.
These paragraphs are key:

Felzenberg cited the fact that the information provided to them by military officers in the unit did not agree with the FBI’s timeline concerning Atta’s arrival in the U.S.

Information provided by a military officer from Able Danger did not make it into the final report, “because it was not consistent with what the commission knew about Atta's whereabouts before the attacks,” Commission spokesman Al Felzenberg said.

Staff investigators became wary of the officer, Felzenberg stated, after he stated that the military unit had identified Atta as having been in the United States by late 1999 or early 2000. 'The investigators knew this was impossible, since travel records confirmed that he had not entered the United States until June 2000.”

"There was no way that Atta could have been in the United States at that time, which is why the staff didn't give this tremendous weight when they were writing the report."

Forget Jamie Gorelick. Forget trumped-up allegations that former Clinton Administration officials were weak on terror...

Al Felzenberg is lying. So is the FBI.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:07 AM
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28. Have you seen the latest on Denny Hastert? FBI?
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:39 AM
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29. .
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:08 PM
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30. What happened to Denny Hastert Story??
Reports of former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds’ allegations concerning improper financial ties between House Speaker Dennis Hastert and Turkish officials and businessman have become a source of discontent for beltway insiders on both sides of the aisle.

One name, however, apparently stood out – a man the Turkish callers often referred to by the nickname “Denny boy.” It was the Republican congressman from Illinois and Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert.

According to some of the wiretaps, the F.B.I.’s targets had arranged for tens of thousands of dollars to be paid to Hastert’s campaign funds in small checks. Under Federal Election Commission rules, donations of less than $200 are not required to be itemized in public filings.
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:31 PM
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25. kick
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