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chelsea0011 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 03:49 PM Original message |
Just how many doctors have given up medicine because of malpractice awards |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. My other favorite myth |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 07:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
87. Not one single family lost a farm due to Estate Tax - Honest! |
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74dodgedart (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
2. I don't think I've ever met a "poor" doctor.. |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:29 AM Response to Reply #2 |
73. They're not getting rich either, though |
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74dodgedart (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:43 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. I don't complain about it...But they are hardly being broken by insurance |
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BattyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
3. Doctors give up medicine because of malpractice INSURANCE rates |
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IStriker (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 03:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Companies will stop selling malpractice if you cap their premium... |
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vpigrad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 04:10 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. No. |
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IStriker (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 04:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. OK. They'll stay in business until they go bankrupt and then the gov't... |
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Pepperbelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 05:49 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. the real problem with the rates isn't malpractice awards ... |
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IStriker (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 07:49 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. If it is not against the law, insurance cos. have every right to invest... |
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Pepperbelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 08:42 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. But they do not have the right to invest in highly speculative stocks and |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 06:43 AM Response to Reply #33 |
47. nor to go ask Big Brother for a bailout for their "free market" mistakes. |
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IStriker (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 07:57 PM Response to Reply #47 |
89. Raising premiums on your customers is NOT going to the taxpayer... |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 10:10 AM Response to Reply #89 |
98. Asking the government to impose artificial controls on |
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IStriker (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 03:12 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. I don't believe the malpractice insurance cos. are asking the govt.... |
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IStriker (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 07:46 PM Response to Reply #33 |
86. Sez who? |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:08 AM Response to Reply #31 |
59. just because it's LEGAL doesn't make it RIGHT |
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IStriker (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 07:53 PM Response to Reply #59 |
88. Fix the govt that has taxpayers over the barrel... |
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RafterMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 08:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Not so |
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Pepperbelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 08:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. but what you cannot tell is what they were expensing. |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 06:55 AM Response to Reply #32 |
51. I'm not following your logic...and please read this Edwards article. |
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Blue Wally (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 08:56 PM Response to Reply #27 |
93. Not recouping their losses |
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BattyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 04:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. Award caps should be based upon the damage done |
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cattleman22 (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 05:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Punitive damages not the same as economic damages |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 06:31 AM Response to Reply #23 |
42. That's An Easy One... |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 04:29 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. Caps NEVER work. |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:58 AM Response to Reply #9 |
77. Yeah that's what they threatened to do in Cali with auto insurance |
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Blue Wally (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:02 PM Response to Reply #77 |
94. They bailed out of windstorm coverage in Florida after Andrew in 1992. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 08:45 AM Response to Reply #3 |
54. But they DON"T GIVE UP MEDICINE. That was the point. |
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leesa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 08:47 AM Response to Reply #3 |
55. That's nonsense. They give up, which is very rare, because it's an |
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BurgherHoldtheLies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
4. I even know 'Physicians for Kerry' in my family!!! |
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BattyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 04:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
18. You got it! |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:15 PM Response to Reply #18 |
83. Pharmaceuticals are among the most profitable US industries |
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IStriker (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
5. A lot have left the worst states and gone to states where insurance... |
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blueknight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 03:56 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. TOTAL BULLSHIT! |
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IStriker (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 04:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. It only takes one BIGGIE award and the MD wouldn't be able to buy... |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 06:42 AM Response to Reply #12 |
45. Insurance Defense Lawyers Get Paid By The Hour... |
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IStriker (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 08:00 PM Response to Reply #45 |
90. So? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 09:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
37. My cousin is a doctor who moved from one state to another |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 06:35 AM Response to Reply #7 |
43. Bush* Never Mentions That Physicians Win 90% Of Cases That Go To Court |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
6. Dr. Henry "Hacksaw" Himmler quit. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
8. This is no myth. But it's nothing new, either. |
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arnp2000 (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 04:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. Most people |
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andyhappy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
10. my dad |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 11:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
38. I have one client who's an OB/Gyn |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:35 AM Response to Reply #38 |
65. If he was getting too many lawsuits... |
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Blue Wally (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:10 PM Response to Reply #65 |
96. There is a reason........ |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
11. Bush & Malpractice Awards and a GAO study that has no real data! |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
14. Malpractice caps don't reduce premiums |
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arnp2000 (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
15. ALOT! |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 04:57 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. How do you know? |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 05:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. link it, please. |
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newcombt (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
24. ... |
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moggie12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
25. MSM may be on top of this |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
26. They cap punitive awards, but not loss of income awards..ergo |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:10 AM Response to Reply #26 |
71. DING DING You WIn! Bingo! |
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MrMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
28. I know one |
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txaslftist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
29. If a doctor got sued and had to quit... |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 06:40 AM Response to Reply #29 |
44. You Nailed It... |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:02 AM Response to Reply #29 |
58. Well Said..... |
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Maria Celeste (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
30. My OB-GYN is now just a GYN |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 08:48 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. That's the kind of thing I've heard too. They don't quite med. they |
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shireen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 11:56 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. me too |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 08:50 AM Response to Reply #30 |
57. Maybe she should take it with her insurance company. |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-05 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
36. I guess he's using statistics from the same source that says it's "a fact" |
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DaedelusNemo (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:13 AM Response to Original message |
40. Malpractice trouble has absolutely nothing to do with torts |
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Zinfandel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 02:57 AM Response to Original message |
41. None! |
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Catchawave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 06:43 AM Response to Original message |
46. It's the bottom-feeding lawyers that file nuisance lawsuits... |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 06:48 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Nuisance Law Suits... |
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Mend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 06:47 AM Response to Original message |
48. Many have given up treating high risk patients.... |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 06:53 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Where Would They Go To Make The Big Bucks Then? |
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Mend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 08:40 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. They are getting MBA's and going into corporations.... |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 08:45 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Nobody Is Denigrading Their Profession |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 08:48 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Are they now? Or running the senate? Oh, smart doctors! |
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Sgent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:10 AM Response to Reply #56 |
60. By your own quote |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:15 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Just Because A Plaintiff Loses His Case Doesn't Mean It Wasn't Meritorious |
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grumpy old fart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:31 AM Response to Reply #60 |
63. It's the Insurance companies, not the lawsuits. |
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grumpy old fart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:38 AM Response to Reply #56 |
66. Yep.... |
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grumpy old fart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:45 AM Response to Reply #52 |
68. The point is, their ire is misdirected.... |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
62. Harvard Med School's Steffi Woolhandler, MD, says-- |
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grumpy old fart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:34 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. A Defense Lawyer openly with us? Welcome Brother. |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
67. So far, nobody has presented hard data. |
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grumpy old fart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:47 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Here, have some facts.... |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:10 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Where does this show how many doctors have been driven out of medicine? |
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grumpy old fart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:57 AM Response to Reply #70 |
76. Some facts about "fleeing" B.S. |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:36 AM Response to Reply #76 |
79. As I thought..... |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
72. They don't quit; they just move to different states |
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grumpy old fart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 10:55 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. And they are not driven away by lawsuits..... |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:37 AM Response to Reply #72 |
80. And the story was printed in which newspaper? |
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Rockerdem (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:58 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. If BushCo is just blowing smoke, then it wont resonate |
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newportdadde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
78. I talked to my ear nose and throat doctor |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:06 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Instilling fear is the tactic for the WH-and it works! They do not |
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Rockerdem (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:18 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. In some case yes, others no |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
85. The Problem Is Insurance Companies Charge Doctors The Same Rates... |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
91. Let's Get To The Real Truth Though |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
92. it needs to be said that |
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Ramsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
95. $150,000 Premiums |
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Blue Wally (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-05 09:28 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. We need a multi-prong solution. |
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