Where did the terrorists get the money?

[Sinti]

A Strange Series of Coincidences.

Adnan Khashoggi, of BBCI/Iran-Contra fame started Barrick Gold, along with Peter Munk back in
1985. In 1995 Bush 41 went to work for Barrick Gold, as an international consultant. It's
safe to say he still had contact with Khashoggi.

Khalid bin Mahfouz, Khashoggi's banker, who was once the director of BCCI, set up a charity
organization called the Muwaffaq Foundation in 1992. He funded this charity with $30 million.
In October 2001, the US Treasury Department labeled Muwaffaq Foundation a front for Al-Qaeda.

Incidentally, The CIA used BCCI to launder money back in the bad old days of Iran-Contra.

Yasin al-Qadi, who ran the Muwaffaq charity, was named a supporter of terrorism by the US
Treasury, which then froze his assets. Al-Qadi was also one of the "angel investors" in the
founding of PTech, a firm whose clients include US federal branches and agencies, FAA, FBI, DoD
and the White House.

To add to the madness, in the mid-90s Sheik Kamal Adham and Adnan Khashoggi started Oryx Investments - which then, with Wallace Hilliard, opened up Huffman Aviation. The following year, Hilliard's LearJet was stopped on the runway at Orlando Executive Airport by armed DEA agents, yet his company remains open, and he remains free. Huffman Aviation just happens to be one of the schools at which
Mohamed Atta and his co-conspirators received flying lessons.

Khalid bin Mahfouz sister Kaleda, by some coincidence, is one of Usama bin Laden’s wives.


Way back when in 1977 Salem bin Laden invested in Arbusto Oil with W. Later, in 1988 when he
died, his interest in the company passed on to Khalid bin Mahfouz who, at the behest of Salem,
also gave money to the Mujaheddin in Afghanistan to support their effort against the Soviets.
James Bath, who happens to be a close friend of *, managed the holdings of Khalid bin Mahfouz.


Prince Bandar's wife (that would be the infamous Bandar Bush), Princess Haifa bint Faisal,
apparently sent money to Omar al-Bayoumi, a man who later helped two of the hijackers to obtain
housing, social security cards, and arrange for flight school lessons. Omar al-Bayoumi moved
to England several months later and has disappeared. Interestingly enough, the checks kept
coming, now going to Majeda Dweikat, whose husband was a vocal supporter of al Qaeda, the
checks stopped when he was deported.

Fahad al-Thumairy was an official from the Saudi Arabian consulate’s section on Islamic and
cultural affairs, and a prayer leader at a local mosque in LA. He met privately with al-Bayoumi
before he picked up the hijackers.

Al-Bayoumi’s monthly stipend comes from the company, Ercan (which contracted with Dallah Avco
Aviation, a Saudi government contractor). Salem Kamel owned Dallah Avco Aviation, which
provided the salary of al-Bayoumi. He has been named a member of the “Golden Chain” that
provides money to UBL and al-Qaeda regularly. al-Bayoumi was given $3,000 per month for a
project in Saudi Arabia even though he was living in the United States. al-Bayoumi showed up
for work once and the supervisor wanted to fire him but was told Ercan’s contract would be
terminated.


The bin Laden family was financing terrorists via Al Taqwa "Fear of God" and other means.
Founder and Director Ahmed Idriss Nasreddin worked for bin Laden Group, and two sisters of
Usama bin Laden are also shareholders in Al Taqwa. It is, therefore, doubtful that the bin
Laden family truly disowned Usama.

Two bin Laden brothers, Abdullah and Omar, are affiliated with the World Assembly of Muslim
Youth (WAMY). The FBI investigated them from February to September 1996. Abdullah bin Laden was
the US director of WAMY and lived with Omar in Falls Church, Virginia. Four of the 9/11
hijackers lived at the WAMY office address at the same time the two bin Laden brothers were
there. US officials testified to the 9/11 Commission that WAMY has helped carry out terrorist
attacks. A September 2002 search of a home of five al-Qaeda suspects found bin Laden family
members’ passports.

Meanwhile, a $700 million no-bid contract goes to Bechtel and their partner the Saudi bin Laden Group, before the 2004 election.

According to a 1996 U.S. State Department report, al-Shamal Islamic Bank in Khartoum, Sudan,
was capitalized by bin Laden and wealthy members of Sudan’s National Islamic Front. Bin Laden
invested $50 million in the bank. Mohammed al-Faisal, Princess Haifa bint Faisal’s brother, is
an investor and board member at al-Shamal.

We knew about this bank, and his relationship with BCCI as well, but it was overlooked, because
he wasn't a 'focus of U.S. terrorism concerns.'

New details of suspected terrorist Usama bin Laden's finances emerged Wednesday in a Senate
Finance Committee hearing on money laundering.

Among other things, the committee learned of a bank established by bin Laden with links to
banks around the world and bank accounts at the fraud-ridden Bank of Credit and Commerce
International, which was closed in the early 1990s.

This tidbit of information had been in the possession of U.S. investigators as long as a decade
ago, but overlooked, a senator testified. This is because bin Laden had not then been
identified as a focus of U.S. terrorism concerns.

Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., who conducted an investigation into the fraud-ridden Bank of Credit
and Commerce International, said bin Laden held a number of accounts with BCCI.

"When we shut it down, we dealt him a very serious economic blow." Kerry said.


The Pakistani government was also financing al Qaeda and we knew it, yet did nothing.

Bob Kerrey, of the 9/11 Commission stated on the record the the Pakistanis gave money to and
"benefited enormously from their relationship with the Taliban and al Qaeda.' He wasn't sure
that there was a quid pro quo with the Saudis, however. He also stated that the findings were
'based almost entirely on information known to officials in both the Clinton and Bush
administrations, most of it as early as 1997.'

Pakistani ISI Director General Lt-Gen Mahmud Ahmad Wired Money directly To Mohamed Atta.

The US government was financing terror via USAID and Global Relief Foundation, I suspect USAID
had no clue. However, the government was, obviously, if not openly, supporting the Taliban
government. As per the partial transcript of a congressional hearing below.

Let me note that, three years ago, I tried to arrange support, aid, humanitarian aid, to a
non-Taliban-controlled section of Afghanistan, the Bamian area. Mr. Chairman, the State
Department did everything they could to thwart these humanitarian medical supplies from going
into Bamian. And we heard today that we are very proud that we are still giving aid to
Afghanistan. Let me note; that aid has always gone to Taliban areas. So what message does that
send to people of Afghanistan? We have been supporting the Taliban, because all our aid goes to
the Taliban areas. And when people from the outside try to put aid into areas not controlled by
the Taliban, they are thwarted by our own State Department...

At a time when the Taliban were vulnerable, the top person of this administration, Mr.
Inderfurth, and Bill Richardson, personally went to Afghanistan and convinced the anti-Taliban
forces not to go on the offensive and, furthermore, convinced all of the anti-Taliban forces,
their supporters, to disarm them and to cease their flow of support for the anti-Taliban
forces. At that same moment, Pakistan initiated a major resupply effort, which eventually saw
the defeat, and caused the defeat, of almost all of the anti-Taliban forces in Afghanistan.

Now, with a history like that, it's very hard, Mr. Ambassador, for me to sit here and listen to
someone say, "Our main goal is to drain the swamp" -- and the swamp is Afghanistan -- because
the United States created that swamp in Afghanistan.


Furthermore they were simultaneously planning a war against Afghanistan:

26 June 2001: India and Iran will "facilitate" US and Russian plans for "limited military
action" against the Taliban if the contemplated tough new economic sanctions don't bend
Afghanistan's fundamentalist regime.

While they were giving money to the Taliban

Incredibly, in May the U.S. announced that we would reward the Taliban with an additional
$43 million in aid for its actions in banning the cultivation of poppy used to produce heroin
and opium. Taliban rulers had agreed to assist us in our senseless drug war by declaring opium
growing "against the will of God." They weren't serious, of course. Although reliable economic
data for Afghanistan is nearly impossible to find (there simply is not much of an economy), the
reality is that opium is far and away the most profitable industry in the country.

And where the Taliban was getting weapons from was a secret (psst... it was Pakistan):

REP. GEJDENSON: Apology to my colleagues, one last thing. Are there any countries supplying
weapons to the Taliban at this point?

MR. SHEEHAN: I think I'll have to go in closed session on that as well, Mr. Congressman. I'm
not -- what I know about that is from classified sources. I'll be glad to talk to you about it
after this.

REP. ROHRABACHER: (Laughing.) This is a joke! I mean, you have to go to closed session to tell
us where the weapons are coming from? Well, how about let's make a choice. There's Pakistan or
Pakistan or Pakistan. (Laughs.) Where do you think the Taliban -- right as we speak -- I
haven't read any classified documents. Everybody in the region knows that Pakistan is involved
with a massive supply of military weapons and has been since the very beginning of the
Taliban.

The Canadian government was financing terror via Human Concern International. Though, like
USAID, I doubt they knew this.

George (43) had other terrorist financing friends. Sami Al-Arian was raising funds for the
Palestinian Islamic Jihad. He met, and was photographed with Candidate Bush on the campaign
trail. Despite the fact that he had been under investigation for over 6 years, al-Arian was
welcome in the White House for an "outreach to Muslims" meeting.

How did all this happen without anyone catching on? Well:

During the Bush administration's first few months in office, Attorney General John Ashcroft
downgraded terrorism as a priority, choosing to place more emphasis on drug trafficking and gun
violence.

Despite the tale from Condoleezza Rice that the admin had a plan for 'military actions' against
al Qaeda (rather than stopping the money flow, covert ops, sending out drones to find the
enemy, etc) Richard Armitage stated plainly that the 'military action' policy was made after
9/11. They were simply looking the other way, while their friends stabbed them, and us, in the back with a rusty shank, I suppose.

Now tell me, why are they still friends, and why are Saudi Arabia and Pakistan such 'great allies' in the war on terror now?

Reference Links:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20349-2004Mar24.html

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[wildbilln864]

1. Excellent...

post! Thanks!

[KJF]

2. Not bad

I'm much keener on reading stuff like this than rehashing the usual arguments.

I have three points:
(1) "To add to the madness, in the mid-90s Sheik Kamal Adham and Adnan Khashoggi started Oryx Investments - which then, with Wallace Hilliard, opened up Huffman Aviation. The following year, Hilliard's LearJet was stopped on the runway at Orlando Executive Airport by armed DEA agents, yet his company remains open, and he remains free. Huffman Aviation just happens to be one of the schools at which Mohamed Atta and his co-conspirators received flying lessons."
Which link is this - I'm interested in Oryx being a shareholder in Huffman?

(2) "Two bin Laden brothers, Abdullah and Omar, are affiliated with the World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY). The FBI investigated them from February to September 1996. Abdullah bin Laden was the US director of WAMY and lived with Omar in Falls Church, Virginia. Four of the 9/11 hijackers lived at the WAMY office address at the same time the two bin Laden brothers were there. US officials testified to the 9/11 Commission that WAMY has helped carry out terrorist attacks. A September 2002 search of a home of five al-Qaeda suspects found bin Laden family members’ passports."
Both WAMY and the hijackers were in Falls Church, but I'd like to see a link and quote saying they were at the same address.

(3) "Pakistani ISI Director General Lt-Gen Mahmud Ahmad Wired Money directly To Mohamed Atta."
No, the story is that Omar Saeed Sheikh wired money to Atta at Ahmed's insistence. Link:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&the_isi:_a_more_detailed_look=saeedSheikh
See the entry for January 1, 2000 - September 11, 2001.

[Sinti]

6. Links and a correction

This article names Hillard as a Khashoggi lackey, but go to the second link and scroll down to
the fourth graphic. This is a contract from Hillard's purchase of a plane. The purchaser is
listed as Oryx Resources. So I do believe he knows what he's talking about here.

http://indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/10/298507.html

http://www.madcowprod.com/appendix/appendix8.htm

This is the link to the bin Laden brothers story. I'm sorry, I apparently suffered a bit of
freaky dyslexia or something when reading it, the hijackers stayed just down the street (at
5913) from WAMY (which is at 5613). I would fix that if I could edit. :blush:

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:aTSa1doO6a4J:www.justiceblind.com/saudiconnections.ppt+Muwaf

The WP says that Abdullah is, in fact, UBL's nephew, and operated WAMY's Leesburg Pike office
until the 9/11 attacks.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A31402-2003Oct1?language=printer

You can see, this place is like an office park, and the place they stayed down the way looks
like the same complex. If I was back in VA I'd go and check it.



FWIW, we have a lot of Muslims in that area. Many quite religious, but not violent, you
know. You cannot imagine how much 9/11 shocked me given my many, many years of experiences
with religious Muslims. I would trust them with my life and not think twice. Truth is I have had
to in the past. This kind of behavior is the farthest thing from their mind... they can't
touch alcohol, or pork, even if it's wrapped in plastic and in a bag... they have all kind of weird rules for living, and cleanliness and stuff, but killing people would be way beyond haraam. I guess when faith becomes insanity, or if you're desperate enough and someone offers a big wad of cash, you can do really, really evil things.

BTW, I don't see having his guy send money as being any different from sending money. By directly I meant not via some charity.

[KJF]

9. Thanks for the clarification

I had a quick look at Oryx. As far as I can see, Oryx Resources and Oryx Investments may well be different companies and there are other companies with the same/similar names. For example this document references an "Oryx Resources N.L."
http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:hsu_e20HQc0J:www.excoresources.com.au/annual/1999.pdf+%22Oryx+Resources%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&client=firefox-a

This one has Oryx Resources developing an infant formula:
http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:khF1IapMsFkJ:www.bioinfo.com/licenses1.html+%22Oryx+Resources%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&client=firefox-a

This might be the Oryx Investments Khashoggi is involved in:
http://www.oryxrealestate.com/oryx_investors/

I can see that Oryx Investments and Oryx Resources might be related, but it seems to me that they may well not be.

[Sinti]

10. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you're right.

I'd put my hand to the fire that the Oryx Resources of Huffman Aviation is the same one that is listed here in this class suspension and withdrawal document regarding a ship named Triton Express. Shipping and aviation are a better match. Of course, I don't know what else the Hopsicker knows. Two may be related, or the guy may be stretching it a bit. I'll probably dig a bit more on that one. I don't personally feel it's totally integral to the rest of my diatribe in the OP. :)

[mirandapriestly]

14. khashoggi having an interest in huffman aviation

is shocking. There's something about those airports.

[Old and In the Way]

3. Just one big happy family....

Haven't heard much about those financial swamps Bush was going to drain after 9/11.

[JackRiddler]

4. Nice work

And I hope it survives well in the midst of the usual distraction threads.

One of my favorite angles in all this is that the US was giving money to Afghanistan at the same time it was preparing to strike against the Taliban.

And for what? The last payment as reward and incentive for the Taliban's anti-opium policy, the first and only time that Afghanistan did not produce a poppy crop (except in the areas held by the Northern Alliance).

This was where the Taliban already lost the coming war. After 9/11, all the CIA had to do was send its people around to the warlords with fat satchels full of dollars (as they have admitted). Hand over the cash, and you practically do not need to throw in the obvious kicker: Drop the Taliban, and next year will bring a bumper poppy crop.

And it did!

[leftofthedial]

5. same place king george got the money for the coup of 2000

basically from OPEC

[Americus]

7. Where did the perps get the Jack from? See inside.

U.S. Treasury

[pauldp]

8. Amazing post. Thank you.

Boy there is a lot to sift through there.
I'm struck by the repeated evidence
that the Bin Laden Family was much more entrenched
in terrorist financing than they would have the
world believe.

Great work thank you.

[pauldp]

11. this one needs a kick n/t

[mirandapriestly]

12. WAMY was not invaded until they messed with the oil.

after 9-11 , of course.
from Greg Palast:
"In November 2001, when BBC ran the report on the spike of investigations of Saudi funding of terror, the Bush defenders whom we'd invited to respond on air dismissed the concerns of lower level FBI agents who'd passed over the WAMY documents. No action was taken on the group headed by the bin Ladens.

Then, in May this year, fifty FBI agents surrounded, invaded and sealed off WAMY's Virginia office. It was like a bad scene out of the 'Untouchables.' The raid took place three years after our report and long after the bin Ladens had waved bye-bye. It is not surprising that the feds seized mostly empty files and a lot of soccer balls.

Why now this belated move on the bin Laden's former operation? Why not right after the September 11 attack? This year's FBI raid occurred just days after an Islamist terror assault in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Apparently, messin' with the oil sheiks gets this Administration's attention. Falling towers in New York are only for Republican convention photo ops.

The 199-I memo was passed to BBC television by the gumshoes at the National Security News Service in Washington. We authenticated it, added in our own sleuthing, then gave the FBI its say, expecting the usual, "It's baloney, a fake." But we didn't get the usual response. Rather, FBI headquarters said, "There are lots of things the intelligence community knows and other people ought not to know." "
http://www.gregpalast.com/blog.cfm

(The 999-I memo was the one where Bush admin told agents to "back off" investigations against the Saudis which were begun by Clinton)

[mirandapriestly]

13. Did Salem definitely invest in Arbusto?

I thought that it was James Bath who was also an agent for bin laden so obviously it was probably b.l., but officially I though it was Bath.

[Sinti]

18. James Bath representing Salem - Bath also represented bin Malfouz

who took care of Salem's finances after his death. They continued to invest in W via Harken Energy and the unexpected Middle East oil contracts. After all, he was first a veep's son, and then the son of a POTUS.

If you have some dude represent you and invest for you, it's you investing not him. I don't think he was "on his own," if you will, when it came to bin Laden's money, that notion strains credulity. Due diligence and all. Even rich men don't toss around money like it's a ticker-tape parade.

I bet if you went back, you could find the origin of the Saudi/ME-Bush relationship started with Prescott after WWII. He did go over there searching for more graves to rob.

I think the whole "back off investigations" coincidental event series needs a good hard look at. These kinds of things (from what I've seen so far), IMO, show a strong case for MIHOP, not LIHOP or Oops.

[DrDebug]

20. There is a rumor how the Bush-Bath-Saudi connection started

There was a CBC interview with Bill White (former partner of James Bath) with Bob McKeown and he said the following:

(...)

Well if you recall back in the mid-1970’s the CIA came under fire for trying to assassinate Fidel Castro, for engineering elections in Latin America and putting friendly Dictators in power. The Church and Pike committees were empanelled in Congress to bring the Agency under control. After these Intelligence committees investigated illegal CIA activities they issued a stinging report concluding that it is incompatible for theGovernment of a Democratic Society to engage in KGB-type activities.

What Bush did as CIA Director, rather than just terminate these activities, was to privatize them. He began to look for people qualified and willing to form quasi private corporations to take control of these assets and continue to do the CIA’s bidding. Because he needed a pilot to form an Aviation cutout, he turned to the obvious referral source - his Son George Jr. who was in an Air National Guard Aviation Squadron. All military pilots like myself and Bath have to hold top-secret security clearances, are clearly patriots, and have been vetted by the FBI.

Knowing this (as a former Naval Aviator himself), George Bush Sr. asked Dubya: “Do you know a guy in your Air National Guard Unit who we could bring in to operate an Air proprietary and deal with the Saudis?” George Jr. responded by recommending his drinking buddy, Jim Bath.

(...)

Bath explained to me that he had been tapped by George Senior to set up a quasi-private aircraft firm that would basically engage in CIA-sponsored activities funded by the Saudi Royal Family. He explained that the Saudis had basically entered into a quid pro quo relationship with Bush and that Bush when he was CIA Director worked with the head of Saudi Intelligence and the CIA trained the Palace Guard to protect the Saudi Royal Family who was concerned about a fundamentalist revolution.

(...)

PDF file: http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/white.pdf

[mirandapriestly]

21. Why does "back off the investigatons"

(I just read about that in Armed Madhouse)mean mihop rather than lihop to you? That seems to point to "look the other way". Or do you think it means, that these "terrorist" organizations (AQ)were not really doing what people thought, they were drug running, etc.. or infiltrated with US intelligence so that is why they didn't want them looked at?

[Sinti]

22. Ignoring the evidence to me is LIHOP. This was preventing evidence

from being surfaced. They could have stopped it, half a dozen FBI/DIA folks say so publicly.

They could have "looked the other way" and let it happen, but they did not. They went out of their way, and took considerable risks to stop the investigations. In the FBI all that had to happen was John Ashcroft saying he wasn't interested, if you want a promotion you give him what he's interested in, but in the DIA it doesn't work that way. You have a guy in charge of a particular area of investigation, i.e., terrorism in this case. That guy knew specifically who the "terrorists" were (not just Atta - there were a couple of others), apparently, and placed yellow sticky notes to cover their faces, saying don't investigate these guys.

Logically, if a police chief tells his group of detectives not to investigate a group of people and threatens their jobs if they do (even fires a couple of them), and it later turns out that those people were moving large quantities of narcotics through known channels, would you assume the police chief gained some benefit from it and was a party to the crime? You would have to figure he got paid, IMO.

The DIA dude didn't get paid by alQ to look the other way. It's just not the kind of thing most military men would take sitting down, without a damn good reason. Then there was the streamlining of Saudi passport applications, only for Saudi Arabia, the changes to how NORAD operates, the war games, the promotions of people who failed at their job of protecting us, at some point the pot begins to boil, IMO. Hence, MIHOP.

I have to think it was an op, because it was put together like sleight of hand and went off without a hitch - while the media applauded - now the FBI says they can't tie Usama to the event, like his original statement said - then they got fat, right handed, gold ring wearing Osama to confess to the whole thing on tape.

Oh boy, this was wordy :silly:

where's the "blah-blah-blah" emote?

[StealthyDragon]

15. What terrorists?

[mirandapriestly]

16. well, CIA assets disguised as terrorists, how's that?

:).

[Sinti]

24. The individuals and groups accused of attacking and/or plotting to

attack the Western world, as well as specifically the 19 individuals accused of hijacking four airliners on 9/11. :shrug:

[JackRiddler]

17. kick

[ocean girl]

19. Wow - fascinating reading

Will take some time to digest all this, but thanks!

[pauldp]

23. kick n/t

[mhatrw]

25. Very nice resource.

I would recommend this if I could.

[wildbilln864]

26. this...

could use a kick too.

[DrDebug]

27. Let kick with text

This post fits very well in this collection. Sadly I couldn't contact her

From: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=93668&mesg_id=99524

Hi Dr. DeBug,

I have read through most of the messages posted in response to your coverage of the 5.5 ton cocain bust in Ciudad del Carmen eve of April 10. I want you to know that I am the person who used to provide research to Ruppert as "Goddess of Research," I am the one who asked Daniel Hopsicker to go to Venice, and investigate the flight schools; I am the one who provided information on DuBain and other matters for Sander Hicks. I worked for DuBain in the 1970s.

I want to offer you a framework -- while a lot of this "started a long time ago," an excellent year to select for institutionalized dealings is 1973. This is when the Saudis had us over the barrel, with huge debt and high oil prices, and Team B was formed under the Nixon administration (includes Kissinger, Brzezenski, Carlucci, and the usual suspects) followed by creation of JECOR (Joint Economic Commission) about which both John Perkins ("Confessions of an Economic Hitman") and Gerald Posner ("Secrets of the Kingdom") comment. JECOR. This Commission oversaw the distribution of interest from the billions upon billions in U.S. Treasury notes purchased by the Saudis. Since the Saudis could not accept interest (Faisal was king at the time), the money was kept in the U.S. and given without bids to various corporations for the development of infrastructure in Saudi Arabia. The biggest contractors, who received awards without bids, were Bechtel, Brown & Root, Kellogg, Haliburton (under Cheney, Haliburton acquired Brown & Root and Kellogg), Allied Waste Management, Vinnell, Fluor, and even Kaiser Permanente for a health care system. After JECOR, it was George H.W. Bush as DCIA, without the knowledge and consent of President Ford, who in 1976 created "The Safari Club" (former intelligence agents of U.S., France, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Iran, until the Shah was overthrown in 1979 and beheaded Nasser Moghadam, head of SAVAK). This was a scheme to envelope and involve the wealth of the Saudis in action plans of Team B, rogue operations. In 1976, Joe Bonanno decided to go into cocaine "big time" and nurtured along the Cali to rival the Medellin, though operations of the rogue "Company" led by Ted Shackley were underway earlier. But having Joe on board is what it took for the guns/drugs end of our present woes. Organized crime began to include the Saudis in much of what they did. Also, 1973 is when James A. Baker III's family bank, Texas Commerce Bancshares needed to be bailed out, so Khaled Abdullah, a brother-in-law of Fahd, provided the capital.

You have to acquaint yourself with "The Safari Club" and there are two writers who cover this -- most recently, Joe Trento in his "Prelude to Terror" (about the first 115 pages), 2005, and John K. Cooley in "Unholy Wars" (release about 1999). Please contact me for more depth on the subject N900SA

[Sven77]

28. dont forget Daniel Pearl, Bob Graham, and Pakistan

In early October 2001, Indian intelligence learned that Mahmoud had ordered flamboyant Saeed Sheikh - the convicted mastermind of the kidnapping and killing of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl - to wire US$100,000 from Dubai to one of hijacker Mohamed Atta's two bank accounts in Florida.

A juicy direct connection was also established between Mahmoud and Republican Congressman Porter Gross and Democratic Senator Bob Graham. They were all in Washington together discussing Osama bin Laden over breakfast when the attacks of September 11, 2001, happened.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FD08Aa01.html

Quick Summary Of Pakistan's Involvement In The 9/11 Attacks
1. The Pakistani ISI has been funded by the United States and Saudi Arabia for years.
2. Weeks before 9/11, Senator Bob Graham, Representative Porter Goss, and Senator John Kyl fly to Pakistan.
3. Weeks before 9/11, Omar Sheikh, under the direction of Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad, wire transfers $100,000 to Mohammad Atta.
4. On the morning of 9/11, Senator Bob Graham, Representative Porter Goss, and Senator John Kyl have breakfast in Washington D.C. with Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad, the head of the Pakistani ISI. The same man who ordered the wire transfer of $100,000 to Mohammad Atta.
5. A few weeks after 9/11, it is reported on the online version of the Wall Street Journal that Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad ordered $100,000 wire transferred to Mohammad Atta.
6. A few weeks after the news of the wire transfer, Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad is sacked from his position.
7. Senator Bob Graham and Representative Porter Goss were in charge of the Joint Congressional Inquiry into 9/11.
8. Daniel Pearl, a Wall Street journal reporter, is alleged to have been on the trail of the $100,000 wire transfer. Omar Sheikh, the man Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad ordered to wire transfer the money, is the prime suspect in the murder of Daniel Pearl.
9. The Joint Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 released a report with 28 redacted pages.
10. Family member Bill Doyle claims he heard from a source that part of the information in those 28 redacted pages refers to the United States' financing of the Pakistani ISI.
11. It has been alleged that the 9/11 Commissioners were bribed by a Pakistani Lobbying group not to mention Pakistan's involvement in the attacks of 9/11.
12. The 9/11 Report neglected to mention any of Pakistan's involvement in the attacks of 9/11.
13. Pakistan is a CLOSE ally of the United States in the so-called, "War On Terror".
14. When confronted about the $100,000 wire transfer, 9/11 Commissioner Thomas Kean denied any knowledge of the transfer, even though it was on the list of questions submitted by the 9/11 Family Steering Committee.

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11481

[Sinti]

30. Senator Bob Graham and Representative Porter Goss were in charge

of the Joint Congressional Inquiry into 9/11. After having met with Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad that morning - they do keep it all in the family don't they. How many coincidences can you stack on top one another before the whole thing comes crumbling down? Great addition, BTW :)

[savemefromdumbya]

29. Jack Abramoff probably

what was Atta doing on his boat?

[wildbilln864]

31. just...

had to kick it!

[wildbilln864]

32. kick

..

[mhatrw]

33. Good information.

Thank you.

[wildbilln864]

34. kicking...

4 exposure!

[wildbilln864]

35. such an important issue...

needs a kick!
:hi:

[pauldp]

36. Does anyone know if Al Muwaffaq is still listed as an Al Qaeda front by

the Treasury Department? I know Bin Mafouz has been
leading an aggressive campaign to disassociate himself from claims of Al Qaeda financing.
His lawyers have threatened lawsuits against the likes of Paul Thompson and Peter Dale Scott.
I'm curious if this campaign has affected the Department's official stance on the
charity that Bin Mafouz founded.

Also found this document detailing Bin Mafouz council's arguments for dismissing claims against him.

http://www.uniset.ca/other/cs5/2005WL2872113.html

[ftr23532]

37. I'm not sure, but here's what I was able to find..

In June of 2005 Swiss investigators decided to pursue an investigation into Yassin al-Kadi (also spelled al-Qadi), who was a Saudi billionaire that now only helped found Muwafaq, but also was an initial major investor in Ptech. This was also right aroung the same time the Swiss dropped their investigation into al-Taqwa due to a lack of evidence since the Bahamas wasn't so keen on turning that info over (in part, I suspect, because al-Taqwa's lawyer was the son of the Bahama's current Governor General). Here's an MSNBC article that covers http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8321338/site/newsweek/">the al-Qadi investigation:

Antiterror Victory?
Swiss prosecutors have decided to pursue a criminal case against a Saudi businessman accused by the United States of financially supporting Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups.

WEB EXCLUSIVE
By Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenball
Newsweek
Updated: 5:16 p.m. CT June 22, 2005

June 22 - The U.S. government’s campaign against alleged terror financiers has won a potentially important victory with a decision by Swiss prosecutors to pursue a formal criminal case against a prominent Saudi businessman long accused of providing support to Al Qaeda and other terror groups.

The businessman, Yassin al-Kadi, was first named by the U.S. Treasury Department as a “Specially Designated Global Terrorist” in October 2001 as part of a major campaign by the Bush administration to demonstrate it was cracking down on terror financiers in the aftermath of September 11. The U.S. action prompted a number of governments, including the Swiss, to freeze millions of dollars of Kadi's assets.

But his case also has raised serious questions about the strength of the U.S. government’s evidence—little of which has ever been made public—regarding the murky world of terror-finance networks. Kadi, a top target of U.S. investigators, has repeatedly denied all accusations of terror ties. And more than three and a half years after he was first designated by Treasury, no criminal charges have been brought against him—either in the United States or anywhere else throughout the world where he does business.

That now may change. Earlier this month, in a move long sought by Washington, Swiss deputy federal prosecutor Claude Nicati asked a Swiss federal criminal tribunal to assign a juge d'instruction (investigative magistrate) to prepare a possible criminal case against Kadi.

...

The Swiss prosecutors’ decision to press ahead for a judicial investigation—and possible eventual criminal trial—of Kadi, however, is likely to please Bush administration officials, who went out of their way to declassify intelligence information on Kadi to help the Swiss build their case against the Saudi. According to a Nov. 29, 2001, letter to Nicati from David Aufhauser, then the U.S. Treasury Department's general counsel, U.S. officials "have a reasonable basis to believe that Mr. Kadi has a long history of financing and facilitating the activities of terrorists and terrorist-related organizations, often acting through seemingly legitimate charitable enterprises and businesses." Among the specific terrorist organizations that the letter accuses Kadi of supporting are the Palestinian resistance movement Hamas. The letter also says that a now-defunct charity that Kadi admits founding, the Muwafaq ("Blessed Relief") Foundation, provided logistical and financial support for assorted Islamic militants, including a group that later became part of Al Qaeda. But, while the accusations in the Aufhauser letter have spawned multiple investigations in the United States and elsewhere, none have yet led to any criminal cases. So far, the Swiss case seems to have progressed further than any other investigations involving Kadi.

Now here's an entry on Jean-Charles Brisard's blog from June of 2006 discussing al-Kadi and indicates that al-Kadi is designated by the UN as someone thought to privde financial support, but also states that the Swiss investigation http://jcb.blogs.com/jcb_blog/2006/07/yassin_al_kadi_.html">is still ongoing:

...

The Turkish Prime minister spokesman, Mehmet Akif Beki, explained on July 16, 2006 that while the UN Security Council’s list includes names of some people who are thought to provide financial support to terrorist organisations, this list was not based on a court decision. “Therefore, being mentioned in this list does not mean that these persons are guilty or their guilt is proved by a court decision”. He further stated that "The UN member states have been asked to freeze the assets and bank accounts of the mentioned persons who are included in the list on suspicion and without being granted any right to defend themselves”. The Spokesman added that "The Turkish government is naturally fulfilling its obligations stemming from its membership of the UN. However, no case has been filed against Al Qadi in the USA, Turkey or any other country on charges that he backs terrorist organisations". It should be noted that any listed individual has the right to challenge his designation. Yassin Al Kadi has been challenging his designation in many countries with no result until now. In addition, to state that no case has been filed against Yassin Al Kadi is simply wrong. The Swiss Federal Prosecutor opened a case against Al Kadi on October 15, 2001. Al Kadi was indicted on July 1, 2003. On June 15, 2005, it was transferred to a Swiss Federal investigative judge and the case is still pending. In any event, until Yassin Al Kadi remains on the UN list, any government has the obligation to apply the sanctions decided against him.

So that's the UN's stance on Muwafaq, and I'm guessing it's still listed by the UN as some sort of al-Qaeda financier unless there's been a development in the case since June of this year.

[pauldp]

38. Thanks.

It seems that it is generally believed that "Blessed Relief" was an Al Qaeda front,
but proving Al Kadi and Bin Mafouz knew where their money was going is the tricky part.

[ftr23532]

39. All of these terror financing cases are difficult to prove...

...in part because they're essentially money-laundering cases, and money-laundering appears to be quite easy to pull off without leaving a paper trail using a variety of techniques and also because those techniques often allow tax-evasion, which has been made especially easy in the last decade. What makes Muwafaq and al-Kadi especially interesting with regard to prosecuting him is that he was one of the people under FBI surveillance in the 90's for terror-financing and it was that investigation that led to whistle-blowing by FBI agent Robert Wright and other about the FBI's intelligence division's refusal to share information they were gathering with the FBI's criminal division. And it was that "wall" between the criminal and intelligence division that was often cited as an example of the need for the reforms in the Patriot Act. http://fortherecordessays.blogspot.com/2006/11/part-12-slick-powerful-brotherhood_11.html">Go here and skip down to the "Operation Vulgar Betrayal" seciton and read about how the GAO found in August of 2001 that the "Wall" was, in effect, due to the FBI's intelligence manager (and now Bush's Counter-terrorism czar) unnecessarily blocking information sharing between these two division.

Between Ptech, Muwafaq, and Agent Wright's allegations, Yassin al-Kadi has a lot of hot-potato issues swirling around him, so he's a worthwhile figure to watch going forward.

[mhatrw]

40. I think Sibel Edmonds could tell us a thing or two about this if the gag

order Ashcroft put on her was lifted.

[ftr23532]

41. LOL, and then there's that n/t

[ftr23532]

42. And then there's...

...http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2954746">this!

[wildbilln864]

62. I'm hoping the new President will lift it. nt

[Taxloss]

43. Apparently the whole operation cost about $500,000.

Or maybe as high as $600,000; I forget exactly, but there was no great outlay. Air tickets, flying lessons, living expenses, not a costly operation.

[wildbilln864]

44. kicked!

.

[CJCRANE]

60. That seems costly to me

when you consider the standard suicide bomber is usually in a car or even just has explosives strapped to their body. That takes a lot less outlay.

However I would agree that 9/11 wasn't costly in terms of an investment and the massive profits it generated for the financiers and their associates.

[wildbilln864]

45. exposure is good and...

the truth shall set you free!

MIHOP!

[wildbilln864]

46. bada...

bump!
:shrug:

[frylock]

47. c'mon OCTers!

why do you continue to avoid threads questioning the money trail? Too busy debunking 'Sasquatch flew holograms into the towers' theories? Do your employers ask that you avoid the topic?

[Bolo Boffin]

48. Yes. That's it. You've exposed us.

My employer tells me to avoid this topic all the time, and get back to doing my job.

:eyes:

[frylock]

49. hey! we got a live one!

care to address the OP?

[Bolo Boffin]

50. No. My boss told me to avoid the topic. n/t

[frylock]

52. i figured as much..

nice of you to pop in and acknowledge that.

[Bolo Boffin]

53. I live to serve. n/t

[salvorhardin]

54. To serve mankind?

I have that cookbook too!

[Taxloss]

57. Did you not notice that I responded weeks ago? n/t

[ObamaDaMan]

63. Great Minds Think Alike?

I was reading through this thread and had the same exact reaction. You'd expect that sincere debunkers wouldn't have blatantly ignored this story and have had some sort of opinion on it.

[wildbilln864]

64. Welcome to DU...

and the DU dungeon ODM! :hi:

[FourScore]

51. Where is Sinti?

When I first saw this post I thought maybe (s)he was back. Then I noticed that the original post is from August. I had been gone from this forum for a while. Upon my return, I noticed Sinti was not posting. I alway thought(s)he has such insightful things to say.

Sinti? Are you there???

[wildbilln864]

55. Such an important...

issue it definitely needs a kick!

[wildbilln864]

56. kicking...

4 expoure!
:hi:

[wildbilln864]

58. lest we forget. n/t

[reinhardt]

59. Q: Where Did The Terrorists Get The Money In Fewer Terms?

A #1: White-collar crime
A #2: The 401K

[CJCRANE]

61. It's a great partnership.

The Bush-Republicans promote hatred of muslims which helps to inspire fear and loyalty in their base and also support for their warmongering.

The Wahabbis use their hardline ideology to promote their own power and influence, a byproduct of which is the jihadis.

The US troops and the jihadis fight it out in strategic rival Iraq.
It's the perfect self-perpetuating money and power machine (as long as you're an investor in the BFEE/MIC).

On edit: Now I understand why the Bush family allegedly refers to soldiers as "cannon fodder units".
It's a simple transaction term - you pump the CFU's into the warzone and extract the $$$'s.

[PatrickSMcNally]

65. "Pakistani ISI Director General Lt-Gen Mahmud Ahmad Wired Money directly To Mohamed Atta."

That's a rumor started by the Indian press. It hasn't been substantiated beyond some early unsourced accusations put out by Indian media. Since Pakistan and India are known to be rivals, one is advised to be cautious towards claims coming from such an origin.

[wildbilln864]

66. So it could well be true.

Further investigation is needed. :shrug: But of course Bush and his lackies are against that.

[pauldp]

67. But Gen Ahmad did resign right after the revelations, and the FBI has never

disputed the veracity of the Indian intelligence. Instead we got a lot of silence.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=107432