This might be a smoking gun

[Andre II]

First of all let me stress that in now way I want to start a sort of competition show between different topics of 911. And certainly there is a very heated the discussion going on concerning the Pentagon.
Somehow there is one topic that is rarely discussed by 911 researchers although it is crucial to all trials: Who did it?
My point is simply to explain why the analysis of the identities of the 19 alleged hijackers is in my eyes a smoking gun and why it would be very useful if more people could look into this.

So: Who did it?

The detailed timelines of John Doe II about the 19 alleged hijackers show in some cases clear (eg Atta) in some cases very strong or strong indications of the alleged hijackers having doubles.
http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewforum.php?23
See summary here:
http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?2486
See discussion here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x72624

Mainly as in the case of Atta the ground for the conclusion is a multitude of occasions where the suspected Atta appeared in two locations at the same time.

Add to this please the fact that a comparison of official photos do strongly imply that eg Hanjour and Jarrah had a double (Paul Thompson also has written a great analysis of the two Jarrahs).

Add to this the fact that Able Danger identified Atta and Al Shehhi as possible terrorists in January 2000 but at that time the two still lived in Germany. How can they have been identified by Able Danger?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x76269

Add to this that 14 of 19 alleged hijackers entered the US apparently before their official entrance date.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x76270
Either the Commission lied about their entrance dates (but why should they?) or there is in fact documentation of somebody with the same identity as the alleged hijackers entering the US on the given dates while somebody with the same identity was already in the US. A further strong indication of doubles being involved.

Add to this that the height of several alleged hijackers is estimated significantly different (eg Atta, Hanjour), the same goes for signature (eg Atta)

And last but not least please recall the many events where the alleged hijackers showed a very strange “please-remember-me”-behaviour (eg Atta in Shuckums)

Now taken all this together it seems extremely likely that in many cases doubles were involved.
(At the moment it is not important if the doubles looked exactly alike or only a bit or if there was one person leaving the paper trail for several alleged hijackers.
Please also note that it is not our task to prove crystal clearly eg which Atta was where. On the contrary people who insist that there were no doubles are obliged to explain the multitude of incidences pointing to the contrary. Officials so far have not even come forward with a single proof that the alleged hijackers actually were aboard the planes: boarding cards, flight manifests etc)

What are the consequences of the conclusion that doubles were involved?
Let’s come back to the question: Who did it?
Was it al Qaeda?
What advantage would al Qaeda have of the use of doubles?
Why run the risk of being uncovered by the use of doubles?
Why are as far as I know no historical examples of al Qaeda using doubles?
And does al Qaeda have the power to cover up the use of doubles in the investigations after 911?

Was 911 an inside job?
It makes perfect sense to use double if it was an inside job (to frame people, to assure planted evidence is found etc: It comes to mind that right after 911 evidence was all over the place: Al Suqami’s passport mysteriously surviving the crash into WTC, Atta’s bags luckily not managing the connection flight etc).
There are many historical examples of doubles (and patsies) being used in state-sponsored terrorism.
The cover up the use of doubles is certainly in the power of the people who had the power to do 911.

Therefore proving that doubles were part of 911 is proving that 911 was an inside job.

[Woody Box]

1. Right

I understand that - given the existence of hijacker doubles is proven - 9/11 was neither the official scenario, nor LIHOP, but clearly MIHOP because "Al-Qaida" would have no use of doubles. This conclusion is pretty compelling.

The amount of evidence gathered by John Doe II is so tense indeed that no prosecutor could avoid looking deeper at every single person's background.

How does Webster Tarpley say? LIHOP is increasingly at war with masses of evidence (9/11 - Synthetic Terror). And this was written BEFORE John Doe published his hijacker encyclopedia.

[Popol Vuh]

2. What I also find suspicious is

In the days after 911 and up to this day, officials say that "they had no idea to indicate that this event was about to happen" -- They had no clue. But on the other hand they had the name of the perpetrators within hours afterwards.

Does anybody else find this as a very suspicious contrasting set of statements?

[Pacifist Patriot]

3. I was stunned then and I'm stunned now...

that the identities of the hijackers was known so quickly.

[RedSock]

5. that was the first thing that raised my eyebrows

and got me thinking there was more to the story.

and of course now we know that their repeated claims of no warning of any kind were bald-faced lies.

[mirandapriestly]

10. Yes, although they lied

about the no prior knowledge

[Andre II]

4. Add to this

the different behaviour of the alleged hijackers (e.g. on the one hand Atta refusing to shake hands with women on the other hands Atta enjoying lapdances).

Add to this that so far not a single poster has ever tried to challenge the double theory.

[Andre II]

6. New update

In view of the new update that clearly reinforces the suspicion/proof that alleged hijackers had doubles this thread needs a big kick in the hope that one day people realize that the crucial question to a criminal investigation is
WHO DID IT?
http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewforum.php?23

And let me repeat this again and again:
Proving the doubles at work is proving inside job.

[Tobias]

7. self deleted (wrong thread) - Question to John Doe II

Self deleted and moved to here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=91309&mesg_id=91922

[The_Shocker]

8. yes

i agree-

[Andre II]

9. Question still stands n/t

[Andre II]

11. :Kick:

:kick:

in view of the irrefutable proof that Atta and Al Shehhi had doubles.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x107048

[Andre II]

12. in view of the fact that nobody

has ever challeged the alleged hijackers such as Atta etc had some sort of double
I thought it would be important to point out once and again that
proving doubles at work
is proving 9/11 being an inside job.

[wildbilln864]

13. Kick...

great work Andre II! :yourock: