As amazing as it may seem for a supposedly "open" discussion website, but I've just been banished to the "Debate Only" forum at the
http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?act=idx">bogus CIT/Pentacon web page.
A number of my questions were getting under their skin and they had nothing but their stock off-the-shelf answers which weren't answers at all but recitations of bullshit and bloviation designed to confuse and obfuscate. The phrase "If you can't amaze them with facts, baffle them with bullshit" comes to mind.
They hate to be accused of the "selective witness" program, primarily because it is true (they only interview and post information from those individuals who agree with their theory and then, if their witness has a contrary information, they ignore that).
http://www.coping.org/911/survivor/pentagon.htm">Terry Morin is a classic one. Morin was a Deputy Operations Manager for a systems engineer company in the Arlington area and was working in the Navy Annex, barely a half mile up the hill to the west and above the Pentagon.
Morin's first money 'graf is this:
Approximately 10 steps out from between Wings 4 and 5, I was making a gentle right turn towards the security check-in building just above Wing 4 when I became aware of something unusual. I can’t remember exactly what I was thinking about at that moment, but I started to hear an increasingly loud rumbling behind me and to my left. As I turned to my left, I immediately realized the noise was bouncing off the 4-story structure that was Wing 5. One to two seconds later the airliner came into my field of view. By that time the noise was absolutely deafening. I instantly had a very bad feeling about this but things were happening very quickly. The aircraft was essentially right over the top of me and the outer portion of the FOB (flight path parallel the outer edge of the FOB). Everything was shaking and vibrating, including the ground. I estimate that the aircraft was no more than 100 feet above me (30 to 50 feet above the FOB) in a slight nose down attitude. The plane had a silver body with red and blue stripes down the fuselage. I believed at the time that it belonged to American Airlines, but I couldn’t be sure. It looked like a 737 and I so reported to authorities.
Now I have no idea why the morons at CIT chose to highlight this testimony because so many things blatantly contradict their crazy theory.
The main crux of their theory is that the airliner flew on a flight path north of the Citgo gas station and never impacted the building, but rather flew OVER the building.
Morin stated specifically that the aircraft flew on a "flight path parallel to the OUTER EDGE OF THE FOB" (caps mine). FOB stands for Federal Office Building, or the Navy Annex.
Taking a look at the location of the FOB/Annex complex in relation to both the Pentagon and the Citgo gas station shows there is no freaking way an aircraft could "parallel the outer edge of the FOB" and still make it to a flight path north of the Citgo.
Below is my image showing what this "CIT" interpretation of the Morin flight path would have to have been like:
No one - nobody - *anyone* - not even their "selective witnesses" - has ever said there was a couple of huge honking banked turns of a 180,000 lb jet airliners going 350 mph 100 feet off the ground as it tried to travel from a "flight path parallel to the outer edge of the FOB" to a flight path north of the Citgo.
That whole "parallel to the outer edge of the FOB" has really screwed these CIT morons up. So what do they do? They just ignore the "parallel" part of the testimony. Indeed, ol' Aldo, another of the brilliant "Citizen Researchers" (notice how they try to get a sort of French Revolutionary Jacobin thing going?),
http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=137">posted THIS image, showing the world what HIS interpretation of what the word "parallel" means:
Yeah, Aldo-baby...that blue line sure "parallels" the "outer edge of the FOB. I don't know where you live, but check with the local community college. I'm sure they have refresher courses on Geometry you can try and take.
Craig (or Lyle) and the other lovable rogues over at CIT also claim the aircraft was white, and have a few "witnesses" who claim such. Morin, in the quote above, clearly states "The plane had a silver body with red and blue stripes down the fuselage. I believed at the time that it belonged to American Airlines, but I couldn’t be sure." Eyewitness information that directly contradicts their theory. Do the CIT Boys even discuss that? Nope.
Another quick paragraph snippet from Morin's written account:
Within seconds the plane cleared the 8th Wing of BMDO and was heading directly towards the Pentagon. Engines were at a steady high-pitched whine, indicating to me that the throttles were steady and full. I estimated the aircraft speed at between 350 and 400 knots. The flight path appeared to be deliberate, smooth, and controlled. As the aircraft approached the Pentagon, I saw a minor flash (later found out that the aircraft had sheared off a portion of a highway light pole down on Hwy 110). As the aircraft flew ever lower I started to lose sight of the actual airframe as a row of trees to the Northeast of the FOB blocked my view. I could now only see the tail of the aircraft. I believe I saw the tail dip slightly to the right indicating a minor turn in that direction. The tail was barely visible when I saw the flash and subsequent fireball rise approximately 200 feet above the Pentagon.
Anyone who is familiar with the Navy Annex and that whole area (I've been in the Annex many, many times) know the dynamics of what the CIT Boys claim and what Morin says he saw do not mesh. If Morin is going to be able to SEE the aircraft "clear the 8th Wing of BMDO", which is the closest wing of
the complex to the Pentagon, then the aircraft is NOT going to be headed on a path similar to what Ol' Aldo posted in the above image. If Morin is going to "lose sight of the actual airframe" behind the row of trees to the "Northeast" of the FOB, then the airplane is NOT going to be headed on a path to the north of the Citgo.
How do they argue against this? Again, Ol' Aldo:
In fact, Northeast of the FOB could very well be the North side of the Citgo.
Problem is, Aldo-baby, positioning Morin where he said he was standing that morning, there is no fucking WAY he could see the Citgo or even in that direction - all he could see was a direct path straight down towards the Pentagon. If he could watch the aircraft while it passed over head, continued watching it as it headed downhill, continued watching it as it began to disappear behind the trees, saw a flash as it hit light poles, saw only the tail as it hit the building and exploded, the damn aircraft is NOT going to be north of the Citgo.
Their entire shtick is built of things like this - half interviews, wacky stories, screwed up accounts from people that in any other world would be considered an outlier, but in the CIT world they become Sacrosanct - the Holy Grail of the Pentagon Event - never mind that it contradicts dozens of others.
Its like the CIT Boys missed watching the Super Bowl, and they really wanted the Patriots to win. So, they ask around, hoping to find the score, and the keep getting the answer "Manning threw a winning TD in the last minute!" They ignore those, and keep looking until they find someone who tells them "Manning threw an interception in the last minute!" Doesn't matter if it isn't what actually happened, they have the "truth" they are looking for and as such, case closed. And if anyone comes along and tries to point out the obvious flaws in their theory, OFF they go, banished to the debate-only forum of an obscure web page.
I asked them what did Morin say during their interview, since I was *positive* they interviewed him since they were featuring him so strongly in the bogusness. What was Craig/Lyle's response?
Morin won't return our calls.
Laugh my fucking ass off.
Smart man.
CIT are liars - all of them - lying SOBs - pure and simple, and are doing this probably to scam some coin off people by eventually selling t-shirts and hoodies and ball caps and baby-tees and the like.
Their buds over at Pilots for *cough cough* Truth do it. Monkey see, monkey do.
Edited to add URL.