conspiracy tinfoil-hat nutcase

[mrgerbik]

What is this crazy kook of a man blabbering about?? Conspiracies in this country don't (and cannot) exist. There would be thousands of whistle-blowers, they are nearly impossible to pull off and most of the people that are accused of being involved are either too stupid or would NEVER stoop to secret methods of pushing pre-planned agendas on the American public.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8cC21jB9EE

[CGowen]

1. I think he was investigating tax exempt foundations like Carnegie for the Reese (Reece) Committee

http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/OtherPDFs/Tax_Exempt_Reese_P1.pdf (69.7MB)

http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/OtherPDFs/Tax_Exempt_Reese_P2.pdf (73.5MB)


http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tax-exempt_foundations

[salvorhardin]

2. This is John Birch Society nonsense

Edward Griffin, the interviewer, is a John Birch Society propagandist. More far right-wing conspiracy theories from the "Truth" Movement.

Ref:

The creature from Jekyll Island a second look at the Federal Reserve' with Harold Shurtleff; John Birch Society. VHS tape. Publisher: : John Birch Society, 1994. OCLC 36245861

This is the John Birch Society: An Invitation to Membership. Transcript of a lecture delivered by the author on December 17, 1969. Published in 1970 by American Media OCLC 83825. Republished in 1972 by American Media. ISBN 0912986042

The Fearful Master: A Second Look at the United Nations. Published in 1964 by Western Islands Publishers (Boston). ISBN 0882791028 OCLC 414277
Via http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Edward_Griffin

Doesn't it bother anyone that people who are ostensibly on the left derive a large part of their information from the crazed far right-wing?

On edit: I see Edward Griffin is also a purveyor of altmed quackery:

World Without Cancer is a book by G. Edward Griffin. First published in 1974, a second revised edition was released in 1997.

In the book, Griffin argues in favor of the use of amygdalin, also known as Laetrile or Vitamin B-17, in the treatment of cancer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_without_cancer

[Kingshakabobo]

3. Isn't it about time for our resident Larouchie to show up in this thread?

[wildbilln864]

14. and who is that pray tell?

:popcorn:

[Grateful for Hope]

15. There will be no response

that poster is no longer with us.

[mrgerbik]

4. why not listen

to the man being interviewed instead of cracking your little whip to instantly ostracize the interviewer. Did you let it even roll past the first part?
Listen to what Dodd has to say, not Griffin.


But on that note...

Doesn't it bother anyone that people who are ostensibly on the left derive a large part of their information from the crazed far right-wing?

Doesn't it bother anyone that there are people still driving this extremely maniacal, bi-polar, binary and child-like redefinition of left and right?

Does this sound like a crazed far right kook?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-Dhv59JYpA

I'm not a supporter per say of right wing ideals, but I think it's naive and idiotic to completely leave out ideas and information without even listening to them and judging them for what their worth. It would be like the left and right brain fighting for complete control over the use of your heart or something - noone wins.

[wildbilln864]

5. as usual mrgerbik...

you're spot on, thank you. :hi:

[mrgerbik]

12. yw bill and thanks nt

[Bryan Sacks]

6. well rebutted, mrgerbik n/t

[LARED]

7. For what it's worth, I always considered the political spectrum

to be more like a circle.

Doesn't it bother anyone that there are people still driving this extremely maniacal, bi-polar, binary and child-like redefinition of left and right?

Sort of, but here's how I think political ideology can be better described (if you assume to be stuck with a two dimension model)

At the top of the circle are the moderates or apathetic, then you move either left or right along the circumference until you meet at the bottom. The bottom is where the far left wing loons and the far right wing loons meet up and it's real difficult to tell them apart. Frankly I think many CT'ers are on the bottom of the circle.

The result is a left wing progressive web site with posters that what folks to consider JBS snake oil salesmen worthy.

[whatchamacallit]

8. Where are you on the circle, the puckered center? n/t

[salvorhardin]

10. "Does this sound like a crazed far right kook?"

Yes.

[mrgerbik]

11. you know the US constitution is based on libertarian ideals

so a fair assumption would be that you reason the US Constitution was drafted by a bunch of right wing kooks?

[salvorhardin]

13. Does libertarian equate to Libertarian? No.

The Constitution was based on ideas taken from several realms, most notably the Greeks, the Iroquois Confederacy, John Locke, Kant, Republicanism, classical liberalism, and Charles de Secondat (Montesquieu). Nowhere will you find "libertarian ideals" in the Constitution or the thoughts of Jefferson, Madison, Adams, et. al. because libertarianism was a later philosophy. In fact, the word 'libertarian' wasn't even coined until 1857 when Joseph Déjacque used it criticizing Proudhon. Déjacque was an anarcho-communist, a far cry from the modern day right-libertarianism of the Libertarian party. While it's fashionable to use libertarian as a one-for-one stand-in for classical liberalism, one still can't claim that the Constitution was "based on libertarian ideals", no matter how much the Libertarian partty wants you to believe that, because of all the other ideas that went into its construction.

[trthnd4jstc]

26. Nicely Succinct.

I am going to credit you with this, and copy and paste your writing. So many people want to claim one thing or another

[William Seger]

25. And then what?

After listening to that interview, did you do any research into that particular conspiracy theory, or are you already aware of its history? Do you accept what Dodd says just because he says it, or do have other reasons for accepting it? If so, what are they?

Point being: If the theory were true, then of course it wouldn't matter who was pushing it. If, however, it's utter nonsense and its just a small piece of a bigger picture, then its origin and the nature of its advocacy is of some significance.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

27. the "there is no political spectrum" argument

is itself a meme from right-wing populism. That is its "us" versus an élite of some kind. The "no political spectrum argument" is to make sure that those on poor and middle incomes vote against their economic interests.

[rAVES]

9. Yep.. Conspiracys dont exist.. what a fantastic comment....

[seemslikeadream]

16. Sorry I didn't realize this had been posted

[CGowen]

17. You posted a google link, way better than youtube and I just

gave the link to show how people react.

[seemslikeadream]

18. The first I heard of this guy was a few minutes ago on the RW radio station

Nova M Radio, ya know the one Mike Malloy and Randi Rhodes are on :rofl:

[CGowen]

19. Griffin or Dodd ? Or were they talking about this interview ?n/t

[seemslikeadream]

20. They were talking about this interview

[CGowen]

21. Google.video and youtube caused a big change in recent years.

There is no way information like this could get through MSM, but now a couple of thousand people have seen it on the net.

[seemslikeadream]

22. BTW

Do you believe in that Conspiracy Theory that all reporters working for any of the publications owned by the Washington Times are out to destroy America? I'm surprised that folks here that rail against conspiracy theories are perfectly capable of having some of their own.

[CGowen]

23. I don't know much about Moon and the Washington Times

People often point to the losses, but I don't know much about it

Since founding The Washington Times with Unification Church funds in 1982, Moon has said that by 1993 he had subsidized over one billion dollars of operating losses at The Washington Times. More recent estimates of Moon's ongoing subsidies of Unification Church owned media, which now include United Press International and Insight Magazine, have exceeded three billion dollars in the US alone.<29>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Myung_Moon







I think a lot of reporters are just doing their job, and when the story gets too far the editor steps in.
They know what they can print and what not and it sometimes has something to do with the country or whom it affects. Take Sibel Edmonds and the Times owned by Murdoch for example, they were able to print it in England but not much in the US.


That goes for many newspapers, just look at the 2007 Bilderberg meeting and not a word about it in their newspapers.


Nicolas Beytout, Editor-in-Chief, Le Figaro (France);
Juan Luis Cebrian, Grupo PRISA media group (Spain);
Hubert Burda, Publisher and CEO, Hubert Burda Media Holding (Belgium);
Paul A. Gigot, Editor of the Editorial Page, The Wall Street Journal (USA)
Josef Joffe, Publisher-Editor, Die Zeit (Germany);
Anatole Kaletsky, Editor at Large, The Times (UK);
Matthias Nass, Deputy Editor, Die Zeit (Germany);
Tøger Seidenfaden, Executive Editor-in-Chief, Politiken (Denmark);
Martin H. Wolf, Associate Editor and Economics Commentator, The Financial Times (UK);
Donald E. Graham, Chairman and CEO, The Washington Post Company (USA);

http://www.danielestulin.com/?op=noticias¬icias=ver&id=318&idioma=en

It changed with the internet a bit and now politicians even brag, like Rick Perry did.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/world/stories/DN-perry_31tex.ART.State.Edition1.43b926a.html



People like Rockefeller were grateful for keeping it out of the press

We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during these years. But the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march toward a world government

It was on youtube, but it's gone... he even admits it in his memoirs


"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure — one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." — From Rockefeller's "Memoirs", (p.405).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rockefeller

[seemslikeadream]

24. It seems to me there's plenty of guilt to go around for most of the M$M

I mean it was the NYT that helped the March to War effort

3 trillion dollars worth of war, could the Moonie Times have done a better job?