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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 01:48 AM Original message |
The Mahablog >> Dear Conspiracy Theorists |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 02:30 AM Response to Original message |
1. Fallacious overgeneralization. I know a few conspiracy |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:04 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. She's talking about “inside job” cultists. |
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quickesst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 06:53 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. OK... |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 08:06 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Great post quickesst |
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William Seger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 09:17 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. No, it's not a symmetric situation at all |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 09:51 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. OCTers and OCTabots are too close minded to actually review the evidence |
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William Seger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 12:08 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Bullshit |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 12:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Your rhetoric expertly proves my point -- you are the perfect example |
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William Seger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 12:59 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Sorry you wasted your time |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 01:09 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Ha ha ha ha !!! That's just what I predicted! I'm so way cool! |
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William Seger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 02:36 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Oooo, maniacal laughter; very convincing |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 02:49 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. And you also failed ... |
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William Seger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:03 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. Yes, I did |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:14 PM Response to Reply #35 |
46. How about one at a time |
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William Seger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 04:26 PM Response to Reply #46 |
75. How about stick to the topic, or start your own thread. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 05:08 PM Response to Reply #75 |
85. I thought you are so well informed that you would know the ISI "theory" |
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William Seger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 05:40 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. That's your "inside job" theory? Jeez.... |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 05:57 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Now that would be bright thing for an intelligence chief to do |
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William Seger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 08:27 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. "Official theory?" "Documented facts?" |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 12:11 AM Response to Reply #85 |
92. Clarify something. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 08:25 AM Response to Reply #92 |
99. Well, that's the entire point isn't it? |
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William Seger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 10:17 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Are you now, or have you ever been, an "inside job cultist"? |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 12:45 PM Response to Reply #100 |
105. It's difficult to believe that those |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 01:18 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. I stopped reading right there. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
34. Exhibit A in closemindedness. n/t |
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William Seger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 11:44 AM Response to Reply #15 |
102. Point by point |
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softwarevotingtrail (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 01:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. That's it, trust your government to tell you the truth |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
39. There's huge difference between straw argument and calling |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
32. Exhibit B in closemindedness. n/t |
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quickesst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 06:57 AM Response to Reply #13 |
97. If every.... |
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William Seger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 11:50 AM Response to Reply #97 |
103. You want another investigation? |
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quickesst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 05:13 PM Response to Reply #103 |
114. Of course... |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
36. try this modifcarion to your thought experiment: |
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William Seger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 12:05 PM Response to Reply #36 |
104. "a few shaky allegations"? |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 12:51 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. OCT apologists always fall back on the |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
33. It doesn't matter how amazed you are. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:05 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Of course. Do you admit the possibility that it was? n/t |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:08 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Really? & was I asking you? |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:25 PM Response to Reply #42 |
53. You & Maha appeared to be asking everyone who doubts the OCT. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:39 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Feel free to edit your post when you find the answer in this thread. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 04:03 PM Response to Reply #59 |
68. Do you think 9/11 could have been an inside job or not? |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 12:15 AM Response to Reply #68 |
93. Yes, it's possible. |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:07 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Yes... |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:10 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. You're contradicting yourself. |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:13 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Contradicting myself? If you say so but... |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:18 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Yes, I say so, and |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:23 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. well, I agree there isn't much evidence yet... |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:26 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Nor is there any hard evidence of the OCT. n/t |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:32 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. There is an absolutely overwhelming consensus |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:35 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. consensus.... |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:41 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. You're missing my point. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:51 PM Response to Reply #56 |
65. False premise -- there is not an overwhelming consensus |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:58 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Wrong. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 04:07 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Your own words prove you wrong |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 04:26 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. No, they don't. Pay attention. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 05:14 PM Response to Reply #76 |
86. changing your assertions in the middle of a debate? |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 12:06 AM Response to Reply #86 |
91. No, I don't think you ever understood them. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 04:05 PM Response to Reply #56 |
69. I didn't say anything about a consensus. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 12:22 AM Response to Reply #69 |
94. Do most lay people believe the basic aspects of the OCT? |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 01:24 PM Response to Reply #94 |
108. Wrong. There is no strong evidence, fake or otherwise, for the OCT. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 01:34 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. I don't think you understand what consensus means, nor |
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William Seger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 02:54 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. Wrong. Read the 9/11 Commission report appendices |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:32 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. exactly... |
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quickesst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 07:01 AM Response to Reply #4 |
98. Not really... |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 02:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
28. You're confusing the terms "truth seeker" & "Truth-seeker" and |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:08 PM Response to Reply #28 |
41. You don't need to tell me that OTC defenders rely on |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:48 PM Response to Reply #41 |
63. Show me where I did what you accuse me of. nt |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 04:07 PM Response to Reply #41 |
70. "You don't need to tell me that CTists are rarely moved by logic." |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 05:00 PM Response to Reply #70 |
82. How is that a |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 01:28 PM Response to Reply #82 |
109. Let's see. By definition? n/t |
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RedSock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 12:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. overgeneralization |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 02:49 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Nah. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:09 PM Response to Reply #24 |
43. Exactly, just like Kramer wasn't talking about all black people! n/t |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
38. "How can a specified group be an overgeneralization?" |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:21 PM Response to Reply #38 |
51. You need to consider more than the title. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:43 PM Response to Reply #51 |
61. If I entitle a piece "Dear Christians" and follow with |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:46 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. If in that piece you were to begin using the term |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:49 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. exactly, with such obvious... |
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elias7 (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 08:23 AM Response to Original message |
5. just as the official story cultists are incapable of discussion as well |
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softwarevotingtrail (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
7. Define your terms, who are "the cultists"? who are "they"? |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
9. I think this is a good point |
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softwarevotingtrail (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 11:54 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. So suspicion about 9-11 culpability is "wishful thinking?" |
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mogster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
10. It's just like Iraq with some people |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
11. Conversations at Ground Zero |
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savemefromdumbya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
14. Trouble is, is that it was both an inside and outside job |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
22. more bullshit! |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 02:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Ignoring the possibilities... |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 02:52 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Is that the only theory of complicity you are familiar with? |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 02:57 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. I'm just exploring parameters, Hamden. |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 02:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. get a grip! |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 02:57 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. I'm not saying anyone did! |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:16 PM Response to Reply #23 |
48. You are comparing this to thinking that Osama may not be |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:55 PM Response to Reply #48 |
66. Um, no. Thanks for misrepresenting what I'm saying, though. n/t |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 04:14 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. Retreat! |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 04:19 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Not at all. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 04:36 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Sure you were. n/t |
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silvermachine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 03:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
113. Stop covering up THE TRUTH!!!! |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
30. I'm so happy that Maha respects me. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
47. I'm impressed by the outpouring of emotion. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:19 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Were you impressed that blacks were offended by Michael Richards as well? |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:30 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. That's irrelevant to this discussion. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 04:12 PM Response to Reply #55 |
72. Grey. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 04:29 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. If you aren't an inside job cultist, try not to let it bother you. nt |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 04:32 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Which brings us back to Michael Richards. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 04:58 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Your analogy was never close to appropriate. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 05:03 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. You only think so because the insult wasn't addressed to you. n/t |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 12:27 AM Response to Reply #83 |
95. Oh brother. Is being an inside job cultist a choice? |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 01:21 PM Response to Reply #95 |
107. Not the gravity. The backtracking technique. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 01:37 PM Response to Reply #107 |
111. Your posts on this particular topic are increasingly unimpressive. |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
80. Thanks for posting, greyl... |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 05:06 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Because this will facilitate openmindedness. |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 11:52 PM Response to Reply #84 |
90. See post 8...nt |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-29-07 07:18 AM Response to Reply #80 |
115. no sweat nt |
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Anarcho-Socialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 01:15 AM Response to Original message |
96. The 9/11 Truth movement is close-minded |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 11:27 AM Response to Reply #96 |
101. Yes! Holographic Towers! I had a whole thread proving this once. |
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