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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 10:43 AM Original message |
Noa writes open letter to Gazans |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
1. letter cont'd |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. sorry, she just sounds like another fanatic to me- not a religious one |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. read the article more carefully |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:01 AM Response to Reply #1 |
148. She's just saying "death to the Palestnians" |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
4. A moving article,and I agree with a lot of it, but the bit that bothers me is... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. the difference |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Moving? It moved me to the toilet to puke my guts up. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. well, here we go. we actually agree on something |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. You should read what Richard Silverstein wrote. Good commentary. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. really, really good piece. thanks. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 09:05 PM Response to Reply #13 |
41. pretty bad piece by Silverstein, actually |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 10:01 AM Response to Reply #41 |
165. As to the poster saying most Palestinians would have a "live and let live" attitude with Israel |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. more of the same |
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Mosby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 06:39 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. That does seem to be the meme |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 07:13 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. so let's use that logic |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 08:44 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. for raping their women? Are you nuts? |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. I like the first three paragraphs. It goes downhill from there, |
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Mosby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. IMO she expressed herself well in her last post |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 08:46 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Except on Israel's side, the policy maker is the GOVERNMENT -- not a group of fanatics. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 03:55 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Hamas are also the government! |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 07:04 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. So you believe the current gov't of Israel is a bunch of fanatics? |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 07:25 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. I'm tempted just to reply Yes, but that would be oversimplifying |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. I think that proxy war is bullshit. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 08:01 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. You need examples of Hamas being violent and destructive to other Palestinians? Seriously? |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 09:09 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Some people will always be convinced that Hamas are the "good guys" |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 09:29 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Would love to see an example that doesn't involve a collaborator. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 10:03 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. those examples involved child collaborators? |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 07:56 AM Response to Reply #43 |
51. How do you define 'collaborators'? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I'm asking you simply to give me an example of Hamas' |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. wow...the excuse list is pretty long for hamas..... |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Thus spake the occupation implementer! |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 01:38 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. so sharia law will not victimize any Palestinians? |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:00 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Not only is it intolerant |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:09 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. I think it's tolerated as multi-culturalism |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. But they don't care about the people at all |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:18 PM Response to Reply #62 |
74. There is but one body that commits regular child abuse against Palestinian kids: the IDF. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #62 |
77. ROTFLOL!!! Do you honestly believe kids in Gaza have to be "taught" to hate Israel!?!? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. is it so hard to focus only on Hamas actions? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. See my post below, hon. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. seriously PM |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Deleted message |
shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. Palestinians cannot speak out against Hamas while in Gaza |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. I think they spoke loud and clear at the ballot box. Too bad Israel and the US |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. oh right, that election |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Free and fair, baby. Free and fair. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 06:35 AM Response to Reply #91 |
112. Hamas won 44-41 percent. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 11:17 AM Response to Reply #112 |
173. Nixon won 43-42% |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 06:37 PM Response to Reply #91 |
181. Check your pm's in a minute. Thanks |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #90 |
129. Due to US-influenced gerry-mandering by the PA, Hamas won 75% of the seats |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. dupe delete |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. I will loudly speak out about Israelis who committed crimes against children in my family: |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. Shira, why do you ignore my posts noting my 14 year BIL being anally raped by the Shin Bet? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. I just wrote that such an act is truly evil |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #96 |
102. I don't accept your accusations. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 04:28 PM Response to Reply #102 |
106. fake crap? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 03:04 PM Response to Reply #89 |
95. that is truly evil |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #95 |
104. Deleted message |
pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #57 |
100. no problem....but i also live in the area... |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #100 |
105. You live in Gaza? Really? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:59 AM Response to Reply #100 |
164. pelsar, nothing the IDF is doing is of any help to secular Gazans |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:03 AM Response to Reply #10 |
149. She's offering coffee to those she knows the IDF will kill |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
6. She really should stick to singing. lol |
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Fozzledick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. "Shut Up and Sing" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. What about "shut up and take a composition class"? |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
9. Answering Noa |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Very interesting article |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 06:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. this is ridiculous |
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whosinpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 09:15 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. Hamas was helped along the way by Israel |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 09:47 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Hamas was founded in 1987 |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 12:33 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. During the elections, Israel backed Hamas |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 05:14 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Can you provide some evidence to support these claims? |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Google can be your friend at times |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. An insane fundamentalist Christian (Messianistic) right wing source |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 01:32 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. On both sites? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 01:48 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Google can be your enemy as well as your friend |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. There were numerous articles detailing that |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. At times, but not this time! |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. You have missed the point |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 04:00 AM Response to Reply #16 |
27. The argument does work for both sides. Extremism breeds more extremism. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 07:10 AM Response to Reply #16 |
30. Was chattel misspelled in the hasbara talking points memo? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 06:07 AM Response to Original message |
45. An open letter to a citizen in Gaza: I am the soldier who slept in your home |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 06:22 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. even more morally repugnant and no link. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 06:29 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. that you think this is repugnant and repulsive says a lot about you |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 06:47 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. I alread wrote why in a locked thread |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 10:55 AM Response to Reply #48 |
55. you miss the point of the letter..... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #55 |
72. sorry, you're asking the recipient of that letter to ignore the context |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #72 |
99. its not propaganda.... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. he wouldn't have made it public if he wasn't propagandizing. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 08:40 PM Response to Reply #101 |
109. that specific letter is not so much the point.... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 01:32 PM Response to Reply #48 |
59. then I and millions of Jews worldwide don't get it apparently |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 07:21 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. It's the equivalent of saying. |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 07:33 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. No link shira? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 01:33 PM Response to Reply #50 |
60. I'll leave it to you, dear. Take your pick. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 08:38 AM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Does he really think this letter will influence anyone? |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. the point of the letter is missed..... |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 01:32 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Yea... him |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 01:36 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. what if it were a non-Israeli or non-Jew trying |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. It would IMO be totally different if it was someone not involved in the war. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. well, they're pretty much all involved with the army in some way |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. From what I read |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #67 |
80. I think what bothers me... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. so decent Palestinians lose again |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. How do we judge the decency of the IDF war criminals or of the Israeli people? |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #81 |
92. The point is, like it or not, Israelis will NOT currently have credibility in Palestine. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. FCOL, LB...are you serious? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. I think there are Palestinians receptive to this and Noa's letter |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #97 |
103. By what basis do you think that? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #103 |
107. here's one article, there are many like it |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. here's one from an Israeli Arab Palestinians (not a Fatah collaborator) |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 08:54 PM Response to Reply #103 |
110. you really believe all arabs want to live in "Palestine" |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 05:36 AM Response to Reply #110 |
111. these must all be collaborators according to PM |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 08:27 AM Response to Reply #110 |
113. Surely not., just as there are plenty of Jews who would not dream of living in Israel. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 09:33 AM Response to Reply #113 |
114. here is another Palestinian Arab speaking on behalf of many others |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 09:44 AM Response to Reply #114 |
115. and yet another article for you, PM |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 09:55 AM Response to Reply #115 |
116. both Fatah and Hamas slammed for ruining Palestinian cause |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 10:02 AM Response to Reply #116 |
118. so once again, why is Noa wrong to point out Palestinian victimization by Hamas/Fatah? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 09:56 AM Response to Reply #114 |
117. The upshot is NOT: the occupation is great! Do you think there isn't a single |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 10:05 AM Response to Reply #117 |
119. what are you talking about? |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 10:20 AM Response to Reply #119 |
120. It seems that some people put political ideology |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #119 |
121. Nonsense. nt |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #121 |
122. lame response |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 11:50 AM Response to Reply #122 |
123. My "pretend concern?" Do you even KNOW a Palestinian person? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #123 |
124. why else would you claim that Palestinians are not victimized by Hamas |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 01:48 PM Response to Reply #124 |
125. You are a propaganda flinging joke. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #125 |
126. just asking that you explain yourself, that's all |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #126 |
127. Actually it's incumbent upon you to explain how you can support a gov't that murders |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 06:07 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. what's utterly shameless |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-01-09 08:03 AM Response to Reply #128 |
130. You're so right. I married, care for, gave birth to, nursed Palestinians, but care nothing for them |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-01-09 08:36 AM Response to Reply #130 |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-01-09 10:18 AM Response to Reply #131 |
132. Get this straight: the primary perpetrator of violence and chaos is the gov't of Israel. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-01-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #132 |
133. so let's stop with the personal attacks, and explain to me again |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-01-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #133 |
134. No one on the anti-Israel side stands up to the Palestinian victims of Hamas |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #134 |
174. You aren't interested in anyone "standing up for the Palestinian victims of Hamas" |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #174 |
182. quite pathetic, ken - you're indifferent to Pal'n suffering under Hamas because you feel doing |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-01-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #133 |
135. You began the personal attacks. Please feel free to re-read any of my posts. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #80 |
98. no its not a matter of "its for your own good" |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. This whole concept of "we really don't mean to be murderous jackasses but |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:17 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. your denial of Hamas victimizing Palestinians |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:20 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Liberty and freedom? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Shira, when my BIL was 14 year old, he was picked up by the Shin Bet. |
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ShadesOfGrey (646 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #69 |
87. I agree. He's lecturing the victim and it's sickening. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #52 |
63. so it's not condescending and patronizing when criticism is aimed against Israel? |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Sometimes it is! Anyway, see my post 65 for my point. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:58 AM Response to Reply #63 |
163. Israel's survival is assured and Israelis, compared to the Palestinians, are NOT the injured party |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 10:06 AM Response to Reply #163 |
166. Palestinians are also victims of Hamas....but that's okay with you - no sense criticizing Hamas |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #166 |
172. Hamas is NOT more imporant than everything else |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-01-09 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
136. No time to participate much, but I'll say this |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-09-09 07:39 AM Response to Reply #136 |
138. I certainly agree on that one! |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:05 AM Response to Reply #136 |
151. That would be much better |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-09-09 06:21 AM Response to Original message |
137. Aljazeeera: Hamas kills Palestinian opponents |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-09-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #137 |
139. All sweetness and light with the Hamas thugs |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-24-09 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
140. Musical Show of Unity Upsets Many in Israel |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-24-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #140 |
141. "No good deed goes unpunished." |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:04 AM Response to Reply #140 |
150. Obviously Mira Awad would be against Operation Cast Lead. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 06:17 AM Response to Original message |
142. why isn't Noa allowed to criticize Hamas when the 'progressive' pro-Palestinian camp isn't doing.... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 06:46 AM Response to Original message |
143. That letter is not an endorsement of Israeli policy towards Gaza. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:18 AM Response to Reply #143 |
144. do you have a problem with that letter? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:24 AM Response to Reply #144 |
145. I dislike Hamas |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:38 AM Response to Reply #145 |
146. my motivation for posting the letter? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:58 AM Response to Reply #146 |
147. If the woman actually thinks Israel is fighting to liberate Palestinians from "fanaticism" |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:11 AM Response to Reply #147 |
152. if it were up to you, Hamas would enslave Palestinians forever and you'd be okay with that |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:39 AM Response to Reply #152 |
155. If it were up to me, Palestine would become a secular democracy |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:44 AM Response to Reply #155 |
157. well gee, if it were up to me we'd all live in Utopia but let's be realistic, Ken |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:46 AM Response to Reply #157 |
158. They aren't the occupiers |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:48 AM Response to Reply #158 |
160. can you answer my questions, Ken? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:52 AM Response to Reply #160 |
161. I did. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 10:11 AM Response to Reply #161 |
168. no you didn't...look at #157 where i asked at least 2-3 questions |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 10:22 AM Response to Reply #157 |
169. Your questions are loaded and irrelevant, but I'll answer them anyway |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 10:35 AM Response to Reply #169 |
170. well, that helps at least |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #170 |
171. Your position is that Arabs are somehow culturally incapable of democracy |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #171 |
175. with a civil war, Arabs are capable of democracy - is that what you want? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #175 |
176. I'd say countries that weren't part of the I/P history would have more latitude |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #176 |
178. but countries with more latitude are as silent as you are....so are you okay with that? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 12:36 PM Response to Reply #178 |
179. Well, the things you say about Sabeel could be said about ALL Christian groups, historically |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:56 PM Response to Reply #179 |
183. so why support Sabeel when their criticism of Israel is based on christian antisemitic stereotypes? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 12:32 PM Response to Reply #175 |
177. As to your point 4 |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #177 |
180. delusional again - yeah, the occupations of Germany, Japan, Italy had no liberating effects |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
153. An eloquent rebuttal of Noa's bloodthirsty letter from Uda Aloni, Israeli filmmaker |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:34 AM Response to Reply #153 |
154. "Hamas is theirs to fight" - that speaks for you, right? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:41 AM Response to Reply #154 |
156. It is impossible to get rid of Hamas while the Occupation continues |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:47 AM Response to Reply #156 |
159. wrong....they could have been finished off if OCL continued or marginalized with Arab military |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:56 AM Response to Reply #159 |
162. Dear God....that sounds just like |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 10:07 AM Response to Reply #162 |
167. denouncing Hamas does not equate to supporting the occupation |
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