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onehandle
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Tue Mar-29-11 12:07 PM Original message |
10-year-old accidentally shot by father |
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MineralMan
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Tue Mar-29-11 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
1. Father Stupidly Shoots 10-Year Old Son |
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cleanhippie
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Tue Mar-29-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Agreed |
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rl6214
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Tue Mar-29-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Agree |
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Tue Mar-29-11 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
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pnwmom
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Tue Mar-29-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Ordinary people -- not "criminal types" -- can mis-use guns. |
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cleanhippie
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Tue Mar-29-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Sure, people do stupid things everyday, with ALL KINDS of objects... |
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damntexdem
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Tue Mar-29-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. But guns are especially dangerous. |
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cleanhippie
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Tue Mar-29-11 12:57 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. They are not any more "especially dangerous" than a car. |
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MineralMan
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Tue Mar-29-11 01:22 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Yabbut you have to get a license to drive a car, demonstrate |
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cleanhippie
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Tue Mar-29-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. That is because driving a car on a public road is a privilege, not a right. |
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MineralMan
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Tue Mar-29-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Yes, I know. I know and understand all the arguments. |
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cleanhippie
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Tue Mar-29-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. So then what was the point of posting that then? |
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MineralMan
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Tue Mar-29-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. You brought the car into the discussion, not me. |
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cleanhippie
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Tue Mar-29-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Right, in order to prove a point. |
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MineralMan
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Tue Mar-29-11 02:29 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Seems like a good idea. |
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Riftaxe
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Fri Apr-01-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #27 |
123. Incorrect, anyone can buy a car without |
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YllwFvr
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Tue Mar-29-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #18 |
64. special care should always be taken |
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Starboard Tack
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Wed Mar-30-11 09:36 PM Response to Reply #8 |
84. Please! Not the silly car analogy again. You know better |
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Straw Man
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Wed Mar-30-11 10:12 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. Silly? Please explain: "You know better" carries no weight. |
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Starboard Tack
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Thu Mar-31-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #91 |
96. OK one more time |
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Straw Man
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Thu Mar-31-11 11:59 AM Response to Reply #96 |
97. No, that didn't work. |
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Starboard Tack
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Thu Mar-31-11 12:34 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. That's what you're talking about |
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Straw Man
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Thu Mar-31-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. What you're talking about isn't relevant. |
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Starboard Tack
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Thu Mar-31-11 03:06 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Because gun ownership comes with special responsibility |
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Straw Man
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Thu Mar-31-11 03:32 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. I agree. And so does car ownership. |
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Starboard Tack
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Thu Mar-31-11 04:14 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. How about gross negligence instead of carelessness. |
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Straw Man
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Thu Mar-31-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. Fair enough. |
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Starboard Tack
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Fri Apr-01-11 01:26 AM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Maybe I'm more cynical than you when it comes to selling guns |
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Straw Man
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Fri Apr-01-11 10:35 AM Response to Reply #110 |
112. Your cynicism betrays a decided bias... |
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cleanhippie
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Fri Apr-01-11 10:44 AM Response to Reply #112 |
113. Quite possibly the best analysis of anti-gun bias ever. |
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Starboard Tack
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Fri Apr-01-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. There's a difference between evil and amoral. |
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X_Digger
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Fri Apr-01-11 12:54 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. "Most gun crime is inner city, gang related, drug related." |
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Starboard Tack
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Fri Apr-01-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Nothing at all and it shouldn't |
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X_Digger
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Fri Apr-01-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. Your point was rather opaque, then. |
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Starboard Tack
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Fri Apr-01-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. Clarify please |
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X_Digger
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Fri Apr-01-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. You seem to be asserting.. |
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Starboard Tack
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Fri Apr-01-11 04:08 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. I don't make either claim |
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X_Digger
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Fri Apr-01-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #122 |
124. "Sales pitch: Laxer gun laws = less violent crime" |
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Starboard Tack
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Fri Apr-01-11 07:10 PM Response to Reply #124 |
125. Gun dealers and those who endorse campus carry for starters. |
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X_Digger
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Fri Apr-01-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #125 |
126. Perhaps you can point to those here.. |
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Straw Man
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Fri Apr-01-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. Actually, you were making a point about the morality of gun dealers. |
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RSillsbee
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Tue Mar-29-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. But is that a reason to restrict MY rights? NT |
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pnwmom
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Tue Mar-29-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Depends on what rights you're talking about. |
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RSillsbee
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Tue Mar-29-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Criminal penalties |
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pnwmom
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Tue Mar-29-11 02:49 PM Response to Reply #17 |
52. Most isn't all. And obviously the law is selectively enforced |
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RSillsbee
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Tue Mar-29-11 03:05 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. I don't disagree w/ you |
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pnwmom
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Tue Mar-29-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. How do we know this "dumb ass" wasn't imbibing? |
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rl6214
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Tue Mar-29-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. You keep posting this over and over |
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pnwmom
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Tue Mar-29-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Yes, as I said, I think there should be criminal penalties |
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RSillsbee
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Tue Mar-29-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. How do you know this dumb ass didn't have a slam fire? |
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pnwmom
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Tue Mar-29-11 05:41 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. I only think your rights should be restricted if you think |
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rl6214
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Tue Mar-29-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. You keep posting about alcohol being involved |
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pnwmom
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Tue Mar-29-11 08:26 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. As I said, I have no knowledge and you have no knowledge |
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RSillsbee
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Tue Mar-29-11 09:36 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. I think it's a troll tactic |
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Starboard Tack
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Wed Mar-30-11 09:41 PM Response to Reply #57 |
85. Do you endorse the "dumb ass" his right to have a gun? |
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YllwFvr
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Tue Mar-29-11 04:11 PM Response to Reply #17 |
65. not here |
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one-eyed fat man
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Tue Mar-29-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. Moms and reverse |
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pnwmom
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Tue Mar-29-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #24 |
54. You could have done the same thing with dads. |
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one-eyed fat man
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Tue Mar-29-11 03:23 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. Those moms were sober! |
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pnwmom
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Tue Mar-29-11 03:40 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Yes, tragedies happen. But the probability can be reduced. |
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rl6214
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Tue Mar-29-11 01:45 PM Response to Reply #11 |
40. None of those things happened in this case |
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pnwmom
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Tue Mar-29-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #40 |
53. Are you aware of details of the case that aren't in the media yet? |
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rl6214
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Tue Mar-29-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. As I saw in another post |
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RSillsbee
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Tue Mar-29-11 03:07 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Alcohol is always a possibility. |
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damntexdem
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Tue Mar-29-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. Which rights? The rights to shoot your children? |
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cleanhippie
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Tue Mar-29-11 12:54 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Nice strawman, have fun knocking that down. |
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RSillsbee
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Tue Mar-29-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #19 |
32. Yes I demand the right to shoot my children |
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Wed Mar-30-11 11:10 PM Response to Reply #19 |
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MineralMan
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Tue Mar-29-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Stupid, careless people should not own firearms. |
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cleanhippie
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Tue Mar-29-11 12:22 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. On that we can agree. |
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MineralMan
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Tue Mar-29-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. I don't know the answer to that question. It's something that |
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cleanhippie
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Tue Mar-29-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Not sure either, but there are some ideas floating around. |
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MineralMan
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Tue Mar-29-11 01:21 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Not any that would appeal to most. |
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cleanhippie
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Tue Mar-29-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. While those are good ideas... |
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MineralMan
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Tue Mar-29-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. I understand the objection. I really do. |
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cleanhippie
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Tue Mar-29-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. I do not disagree with you. |
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MineralMan
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Tue Mar-29-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. I'm not sure, either. |
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rl6214
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Tue Mar-29-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #26 |
46. Passing a test once wouldn't ensure that |
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MineralMan
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Tue Mar-29-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. That's true, but it would demonstrate that you knew the rules. |
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Fri Apr-01-11 05:45 AM Response to Reply #26 |
111. In principle, I could support those ideas... |
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Hoyt
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Tue Mar-29-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. But yet they do, by the millions. And many carry them into public. |
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cleanhippie
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Tue Mar-29-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. How would you propose to keep them out of the hands of "stupid, careless people", while not |
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RSillsbee
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Tue Mar-29-11 03:09 PM Response to Reply #22 |
59. What makes you think |
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cleanhippie
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Tue Mar-29-11 06:52 PM Response to Reply #59 |
72. Oh, I am under no illusion that he cares in any way, shape, or form about our rights. |
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spin
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Tue Mar-29-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #13 |
38. The ones who carry legally rarely have accidents with their weapons ... |
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Starboard Tack
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Wed Mar-30-11 09:54 PM Response to Reply #38 |
86. Rarely? How often is acceptable? |
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rrneck
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Wed Mar-30-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Never. |
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Starboard Tack
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Thu Mar-31-11 11:37 AM Response to Reply #88 |
95. But I thought there were never any accidents, just negligence. |
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rrneck
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Thu Mar-31-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. Never acceptable regardless why. |
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Starboard Tack
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Thu Mar-31-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Sometimes good people make bad mistakes. Let that be a lesson to us. |
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rrneck
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Thu Mar-31-11 04:07 PM Response to Reply #100 |
106. What about it? |
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Yavapai
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Fri Apr-01-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
119. "Stupid, careless people should not own firearms." Or swimming pools |
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rl6214
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Tue Mar-29-11 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
4. I thought WI had one of the most restrictive gun laws |
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Starboard Tack
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Wed Mar-30-11 09:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
87. How about don't handle around children |
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Hoyt
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Tue Mar-29-11 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
12. These accidents always called stupid by pro-gunners. What's stupid is we act like it doesn't matter. |
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rl6214
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Tue Mar-29-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
39. Who acts like it doesn't matter? |
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friendly_iconoclast
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Tue Mar-29-11 01:48 PM Response to Reply #12 |
42. Should safe drivers feel responsible for incompetent and/or drugged ones? |
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Starboard Tack
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Wed Mar-30-11 10:00 PM Response to Reply #42 |
89. It's a relief to know all you CCW holders never drink and carry |
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friendly_iconoclast
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Thu Mar-31-11 09:03 AM Response to Reply #89 |
93. You seem to have trouble grasping the concept. |
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Starboard Tack
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Thu Mar-31-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #93 |
94. Oh, I grasp the "concept" and agree with you 100% |
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spin
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Tue Mar-29-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
45. If some fool has a accident with his car, should I give up my car? |
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Straw Man
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Tue Mar-29-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
55. So you think they AREN'T stupid? |
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deutsey
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Tue Mar-29-11 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
14. Fortunately, the boy seems to be recovering |
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MineralMan
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Tue Mar-29-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #14 |
30. Ah, a "cleaning accident." Hmph. |
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deutsey
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Tue Mar-29-11 02:42 PM Response to Reply #30 |
51. That always baffles me when I see these stories |
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RSillsbee
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Tue Mar-29-11 03:13 PM Response to Reply #51 |
60. Close but still a miss |
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deutsey
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Wed Mar-30-11 05:48 AM Response to Reply #60 |
77. Which still begs the question |
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RSillsbee
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Wed Mar-30-11 08:56 AM Response to Reply #77 |
81. To be fair |
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RufusTFirefly
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Tue Mar-29-11 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
15. Oops. |
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slackmaster
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Tue Mar-29-11 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
16. Auto-unrec for drive-by "current events" post with nothing to link it to the forum topics |
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MineralMan
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Tue Mar-29-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. Nothing? Not even a bullet hole in the kid? Where did the bullet |
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slackmaster
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Tue Mar-29-11 01:47 PM Response to Reply #28 |
41. "Discussion of gun-related public policy issues or the use of firearms for self-defense... |
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MineralMan
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Tue Mar-29-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. I said as much in the thread already. |
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Straw Man
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Wed Mar-30-11 07:41 PM Response to Reply #43 |
82. Incompetence or callous indifference? |
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GreenStormCloud
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Tue Mar-29-11 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
50. The US population is about 310 million. |
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Callisto32
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Tue Mar-29-11 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
69. THIS PROVES SOMETHING! |
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rrneck
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Tue Mar-29-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. It proves |
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Callisto32
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Wed Mar-30-11 06:09 AM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Indeed. |
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petronius
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Tue Mar-29-11 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
73. Very sad. Hope the boy is alright... (nt) |
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LAGC
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Wed Mar-30-11 07:44 AM Response to Original message |
79. Unrec. |
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Atypical Liberal
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Wed Mar-30-11 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
80. What is trying to be shown by this example? |
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spin
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Wed Mar-30-11 08:22 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. The most important thing that this thread shows is just how... |
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Starboard Tack
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Wed Mar-30-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #83 |
90. Just curious. When you say "one of my carry weapons" |
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spin
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Thu Mar-31-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #90 |
102. Different ones for different situations ... |
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Starboard Tack
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Thu Mar-31-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. The economy must be good in Florida |
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spin
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Thu Mar-31-11 04:08 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. I acquired my firearm collection over 40 years of shooting ... |
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