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proud2BlibKansan
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Thu May-21-09 02:06 PM Original message |
About this policy that allows guns in National Parks |
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HiFructosePronSyrup
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Thu May-21-09 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
1. No, they can't be fired. |
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glinda
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Thu May-21-09 02:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Sounds like Alice in Wonderland. If someone takes a gun into the forest, I would think they |
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HiFructosePronSyrup
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Thu May-21-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. You mean with all the insane people saying stupid things? |
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depakid
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Thu May-21-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
22. "Yet we haven't got a rash of hilly billies shooting up Baskin-robbins." |
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Fire_Medic_Dave
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Fri May-22-09 12:31 AM Response to Reply #22 |
114. What specific venue has been repeatedly targeted? |
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derby378
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Thu May-21-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. It's not a matter of "intent" |
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RaleighNCDUer
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Thu May-21-09 02:17 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. In a word, |
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ForrestGump
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Thu May-21-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #3 |
45. If a gun is fired in the forest, |
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glinda
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Thu May-21-09 09:20 PM Response to Reply #45 |
75. No. Of course not. LOL! There will be no one to monitor this at all. No one. I have spent tons of |
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Fire_Medic_Dave
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Fri May-22-09 12:30 AM Response to Reply #75 |
113. Why would people carry concealed weapons to hunt? |
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dashrif
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Fri May-22-09 09:56 PM Response to Reply #113 |
153. Bow deer season |
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AtheistCrusader
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Sat May-23-09 02:49 AM Response to Reply #153 |
156. That's messed up, but |
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dashrif
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Sat May-23-09 07:46 AM Response to Reply #156 |
159. Nice find |
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ThomWV
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Thu May-21-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
23. They can't be fired just about anywhere they are carried when you think about it. |
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derby378
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Thu May-21-09 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
2. I think it just allows concealed handguns in National Parks |
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proud2BlibKansan
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Thu May-21-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Then what's the point? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup
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Thu May-21-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. What would be the point of banning it? |
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TimesSquareCowboy
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Thu May-21-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. On the theory that more guns = more shooting and more shooting = more death and injuries. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup
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Thu May-21-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Because of all the hike-by shootings that occur in national parks? |
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TimesSquareCowboy
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Thu May-21-09 02:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Well, sometimes it's from kayaks. |
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Vidar
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Fri May-22-09 10:39 AM Response to Reply #13 |
133. If that's the problem, we should allow Ironclads in the parks. Damned kayaks. |
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joeybee12
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Thu May-21-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Well there aren't any because loaded guns aren't allowed, now they are... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup
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Thu May-21-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. You're calling me unreasonable? |
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Dumak
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Thu May-21-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. Yeah, all shootings are planned out well in advance. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup
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Thu May-21-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. And the law on concealed guns in national parks is to prevent that? |
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NeedleCast
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Thu May-21-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #15 |
35. Guns have been allowed in most state parks for a long time |
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paulsby
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Thu May-21-09 03:05 PM Response to Reply #15 |
40. false conclusion |
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konnichi wa
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Thu May-21-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #15 |
62. And there has never been a shooting in a school...because they are 'gun free' zones. |
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havocmom
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Thu May-21-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #62 |
84. Word! |
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jtb33
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Fri May-22-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #15 |
139. If that's a "logical" reason, then... |
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Hangingon
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Thu May-21-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
30. The latest figure I could find are from 2006... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup
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Thu May-21-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. So then the violence is caused by people with prior criminal intent. |
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fishwax
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Thu May-21-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #30 |
44. fairly dangerous |
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proud2BlibKansan
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Thu May-21-09 06:42 PM Response to Reply #30 |
63. I would think that if you compared those numbers to the number of visitors |
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Euromutt
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Fri May-22-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #63 |
146. Crime rates aren't usually calculated on "number of visitors" |
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WonderingWhy
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Sun May-24-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #63 |
165. It'll be "Low-Risk"... |
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Edweird
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Thu May-21-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. Then why do all the mass shootings occur in 'gun free zones' and not shooting ranges? |
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TimesSquareCowboy
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Thu May-21-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Like that mother who blew her son's head off in a gun range last month in florida? |
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Edweird
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Thu May-21-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. That is not a 'mass' shooting. Care to try again? |
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TimesSquareCowboy
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Thu May-21-09 03:00 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. She then killed herself, so that's two. Why do you only care when it's a mass shooting, btw? |
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Edweird
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Thu May-21-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. "On the theory that more guns = more shooting and more shooting = more death and injuries." |
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TimesSquareCowboy
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Thu May-21-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. More guns = more death and injuries. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave
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Fri May-22-09 12:33 AM Response to Reply #47 |
115. So you would feel better if they killed themselves by another means? |
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Euromutt
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Sat May-23-09 04:08 AM Response to Reply #47 |
158. More than half, in fact |
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TimesSquareCowboy
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Thu May-21-09 03:30 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Rates of Household Firearm Ownership and Homicide Across US Regions and States, 1988–1997 |
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Fire_Medic_Dave
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Thu May-21-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #48 |
85. Conveniently they included illegal firearm possession as household firearm ownership. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave
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Thu May-21-09 09:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
83. Wow one event compared to how many killings in Chicago and the District? |
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proud2BlibKansan
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Thu May-21-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #8 |
56. No you answer me first |
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HiFructosePronSyrup
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Thu May-21-09 04:42 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. Sentimental value. |
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X_Digger
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Thu May-21-09 06:50 PM Response to Reply #56 |
65. Illegal to discharge.. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave
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Fri May-22-09 12:33 AM Response to Reply #56 |
116. You can fire them if you are threatened with serious injury or death. It's not complicated. |
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proud2BlibKansan
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Fri May-22-09 05:26 AM Response to Reply #116 |
127. Does asking a question qualify as a threat in your paranoid world? |
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slackmaster
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Fri May-22-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #127 |
135. That depends |
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Fire_Medic_Dave
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Fri May-22-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #127 |
141. In what way am I paranoid? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave
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Fri May-22-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #127 |
151. Again in what way am I paranoid? |
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NeedleCast
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Thu May-21-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #7 |
31. Because there are times when it would be legal to shoot it |
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proud2BlibKansan
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Thu May-21-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #31 |
57. So it is okay to fire it? |
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Euromutt
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Fri May-22-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #57 |
136. Allow me to draw an analogy |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife
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Thu May-21-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
80. Just so the states laws apply equally throughout the state |
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joeybee12
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Thu May-21-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. Why would you take one other than to shoot at an animal? |
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ThomWV
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Thu May-21-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Jesus - what a childish over reaction |
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slackmaster
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Thu May-21-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #14 |
36. For the protection of one's self and one's companions |
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proud2BlibKansan
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Thu May-21-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #36 |
64. So you declare your gun when you enter the park? |
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X_Digger
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Thu May-21-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. No, no checkpoints- |
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slackmaster
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Fri May-22-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #64 |
131. Why would you have to do that? |
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paulsby
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Thu May-21-09 03:07 PM Response to Reply #14 |
41. the "need" canard |
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Tim01
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Thu May-21-09 10:48 PM Response to Reply #41 |
96. 2 women found with their throats slit in national park. 1996 |
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Tim01
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Thu May-21-09 11:00 PM Response to Reply #41 |
99. Rode rage and felony assault in national park. 2009 |
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Tim01
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Thu May-21-09 11:04 PM Response to Reply #41 |
100. Park Volunteer Sexually Assaulted On Mount Rainier 1999 |
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Tim01
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Thu May-21-09 11:08 PM Response to Reply #41 |
101. Park rangers 12 times more likely to be hurt or killed by violence than FBI officers. |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife
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Thu May-21-09 09:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
82. Self-defense |
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joeybee12
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Thu May-21-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. And who is gonan pay for this? There's gonna need to be training, some databases... |
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Edweird
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Thu May-21-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Um, what training and what 'databases'? |
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slackmaster
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Thu May-21-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #16 |
33. No, the states already have systems for issuing concealed weapons permits |
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Fire_Medic_Dave
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Fri May-22-09 12:36 AM Response to Reply #16 |
117. Just cowardly uninformed reactions. |
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fishwax
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Thu May-21-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
20. how does it apply to CCW but not rifles, etc.? |
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X_Digger
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Thu May-21-09 07:00 PM Response to Reply #20 |
68. States have different laws for rifles / shotguns.. |
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fishwax
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Thu May-21-09 08:25 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. but unless the Texas law forbids |
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X_Digger
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Thu May-21-09 09:29 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. They probably wouldn't allow it.. |
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fishwax
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Thu May-21-09 10:13 PM Response to Reply #76 |
91. so, again, it depends on state law, regardless of whether it's a handgun or a rifle or whatever |
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X_Digger
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Thu May-21-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. *nod* that's my understanding as well.. |
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Euromutt
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Fri May-22-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #91 |
144. The DOI memo only applied to CCW |
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AtheistCrusader
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Sat May-23-09 03:08 AM Response to Reply #91 |
157. Unless there's some other Washington State Law i'm not aware of, going to be legal for rifles. |
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joeybee12
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Thu May-21-09 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
4. Not allowed to be, but they will be... |
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slackmaster
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Thu May-21-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
29. People have been saying that for about 25 years now, as most states have adopted objective standards |
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Thu May-21-09 11:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
106. Have you been to the nations National Parks? Have you seen the "no guns" signs with bullet holes... |
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Thu May-21-09 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
5. I think it's interesting that this goes through in the middle of the biggest recession |
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ThomWV
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Thu May-21-09 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
18. Not knowing it was illegal I've carried a pistol in National Parks often |
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slackmaster
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Thu May-21-09 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
26. Only in self-defense |
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depakid
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Thu May-21-09 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
27. Here's the bottom line on it |
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Thu May-21-09 03:04 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. Of course, that's a little dated, since the guy CAN bring his guns now. |
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paulsby
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Thu May-21-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #27 |
42. the fear canard |
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ForrestGump
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Thu May-21-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. You don't know what you're talking about. |
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paulsby
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Thu May-21-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. that's the fear MALLARD |
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TimesSquareCowboy
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Thu May-21-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. But the chance you'll use your gun on someone else? |
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paulsby
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Thu May-21-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. that is a fair point |
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Fire_Medic_Dave
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Thu May-21-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #50 |
87. How about the vast majority of murders by firearm are committed with illegally possessed guns? |
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Sun May-24-09 01:09 AM Response to Reply #49 |
162. canard as a pun....... |
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depakid
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Thu May-21-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. Well, if you're not a fraidy cat- then what is it? |
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paulsby
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Thu May-21-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. the motivation for me |
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depakid
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Thu May-21-09 11:35 PM Response to Reply #53 |
105. Your motivation isn't wanting "your civil rights protected" |
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Tim01
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Thu May-21-09 11:54 PM Response to Reply #105 |
109. I'll take prepared over "good victim". You choose to be a good victim. |
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paulsby
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Fri May-22-09 12:12 AM Response to Reply #109 |
112. and fires, just like necessity to use a handgun |
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Tim01
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Fri May-22-09 08:59 AM Response to Reply #112 |
130. w3rd |
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depakid
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Fri May-22-09 01:42 AM Response to Reply #109 |
121. Let me ask you something |
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Tim01
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Fri May-22-09 08:36 AM Response to Reply #121 |
129. Very tacky to be on the internet and call people cowards, don't you think? |
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Fri May-22-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #121 |
138. What you just said is false. |
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Fri May-22-09 12:10 AM Response to Reply #105 |
110. my motivation is wanting everybody's civil rights protected |
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proteus_lives
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Fri May-22-09 12:11 AM Response to Reply #105 |
111. Do you use seatbelts? |
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Fri May-22-09 01:47 AM Response to Reply #111 |
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Fire_Medic_Dave
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Fri May-22-09 02:40 AM Response to Reply #122 |
123. Hilarious. A "man" who is scared of swimming and diving calling someone a coward. |
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Fri May-22-09 02:51 AM Response to Reply #122 |
124. Yawn. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave
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Fri May-22-09 12:40 AM Response to Reply #105 |
118. He's a cop. I'm fairly certain he has seen plenty of things to really be afraid of... |
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Thu May-21-09 09:50 PM Response to Reply #27 |
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Thu May-21-09 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
54. YAwn ...another anti gun nut magnet post. All this does is help to divide the DU community. |
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Thu May-21-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #54 |
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proud2BlibKansan
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Thu May-21-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. I am just asking a question |
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Thu May-21-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. It was a particularly intellectually dishonest question. |
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Thu May-21-09 06:51 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. We can't ask questions now? |
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Fri May-22-09 12:42 AM Response to Reply #66 |
119. Deleted message |
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Fri May-22-09 05:17 AM Response to Reply #119 |
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Fire_Medic_Dave
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Fri May-22-09 06:37 PM Response to Reply #58 |
150. So you are glad about this new rule? |
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konnichi wa
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Thu May-21-09 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
61. No. You must show it to the bear and hope he doesn't eat you. |
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depakid
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Thu May-21-09 11:47 PM Response to Reply #61 |
108. LOL |
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Euromutt
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Fri May-22-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #108 |
152. Education is your best protection against predators |
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Junkdrawer
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Thu May-21-09 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
69. Rangers, Conservation & Anti-Violence Groups Seek National Park Gun Ban |
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X_Digger
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Thu May-21-09 07:08 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. You actually found one huge bit of misinformation.. |
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Junkdrawer
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Thu May-21-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. You're right. I'm the only one who travels to National Parks from out of state... |
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X_Digger
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Thu May-21-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. You also don't concealed carry.. |
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fishwax
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Thu May-21-09 07:49 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Take Yellowstone, for example |
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X_Digger
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Thu May-21-09 09:38 PM Response to Reply #72 |
81. Folks who travel with concealed carry.. |
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fishwax
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Thu May-21-09 10:09 PM Response to Reply #81 |
90. probably true, but beside the point |
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X_Digger
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Thu May-21-09 10:46 PM Response to Reply #90 |
95. Confusion was where those areas abut each other.. |
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Thu May-21-09 11:08 PM Response to Reply #95 |
102. ah, that makes sense--it seems to replace one confusion with another then |
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Fire_Medic_Dave
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Fri May-22-09 12:44 AM Response to Reply #102 |
120. This confusion doesn't limit peoples freedoms though. |
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X_Digger
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Fri May-22-09 07:56 AM Response to Reply #102 |
128. I think there are fewer.. |
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Fri May-22-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #128 |
137. A prime example is Gettysburg. |
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Thu May-21-09 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
73. How do people hunt moose in Yellowstone? |
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Thu May-21-09 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
78. Why do people need guns in national parks?????? What is the threat? |
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Tim01
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Thu May-21-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #78 |
94. Criminals taking of people in isolated areas. |
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Fri May-22-09 04:42 PM Response to Reply #78 |
145. As Tim says, criminals |
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Fire_Medic_Dave
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Thu May-21-09 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
79. They can be fired if the owner is in fear for their life. |
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Kingofalldems
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Thu May-21-09 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
88. Gun hicks will love this one |
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Fire_Medic_Dave
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Thu May-21-09 10:52 PM Response to Reply #88 |
97. Nothing like a little bigotry on DU. |
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proud2BlibKansan
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Fri May-22-09 05:24 AM Response to Reply #88 |
126. I finally figured out why some gun nuts want to carry guns everywhere they go |
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Fire_Medic_Dave
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Fri May-22-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #126 |
140. More intellectual dishonesty. |
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proud2BlibKansan
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Fri May-22-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #140 |
148. And more great informative comments! |
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Fire_Medic_Dave
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Fri May-22-09 06:35 PM Response to Reply #148 |
149. So you ask a question you knew the answer to in the spirit of honest debate? MMMkay. |
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proud2BlibKansan
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Fri May-22-09 11:47 PM Response to Reply #149 |
154. What makes you think I knew the answer? |
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Sat May-23-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #154 |
161. So you honestly that that CCW permit holders could carry in a NP but never use their firearm? |
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Fri May-22-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #126 |
143. Ah... |
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proud2BlibKansan
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Fri May-22-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #143 |
147. When did I say anything about restricting them? |
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Sun May-24-09 12:32 PM Response to Reply #147 |
166. Try Free Republic. |
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Merchant Marine
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Sat May-23-09 01:22 AM Response to Reply #88 |
155. I enjoy |
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Thu May-21-09 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
89. I have a concealed carry permit but I just can't start shooting... |
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Tim01
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Thu May-21-09 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
93. No shooting. |
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RB TexLa
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Thu May-21-09 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
98. A concealed weapons permit does not give someone the right to shoot a gun whenever they feel |
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Thu May-21-09 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
103. what I fear is someone doing something really dumb |
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Tim01
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Thu May-21-09 11:31 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. I totally understand your point. But |
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Thu May-21-09 11:39 PM Response to Reply #103 |
107. Poaching is illegal still. They'd still be up for investigation. |
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Fri May-22-09 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
132. It is my experience that the people with CCW are more respectful and conscientious of |
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Fri May-22-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #132 |
142. We see plenty of examples of that around here. |
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Big Ugly Tall Texan
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Fri May-22-09 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
134. If you don't plan to use one, why carry it? |
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Sat May-23-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #134 |
160. There is a difference between |
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Sun May-24-09 07:46 AM Response to Reply #134 |
163. Must be something about experience with criminals. |
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Sun May-24-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #134 |
164. I don't plan to use the fire extinguishers that I keep in my garage and kitchen |
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