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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 06:23 PM
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SCOTUS says govt. is not obligated to protect an individual & that corporations are like individuals
for many purposes.

Why then should congress consider protecting a corporation's ships with our military or other govt. forces when govt. ignores the millions of citizens who it does not protect from violent crime?

If self-defense is the personal responsibility for each individual, why isn't it the personal responsibility for each corporation?

Related DU thread, “Captain once held by pirates urges military protection, armed crews”

IMO this is clearly a proper topic for DU's Guns forum even though guns are not mentioned because the fundamental issue is the civil right RKBA where firearms or guns are just one of the group of all arms that SCOTUS says is protected by the Second Amendment for self-defense.

The issue also raises the issue of "civil rights for individuals" enumerated and protected by our Constitution versus "civil rights for corporations" that are not recognized in that Constitution.

"And the only jobs left were in the U.S. Foreign Legion, defending the worldwide assets of those who had taken the people's jobs and stolen the people's government." (quote from DU thread "From the BuzzFlash mailbag,")
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 06:41 PM
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1. Consider any armed foreign national in this country is an "invader" by definition. Same is true
all over the world. That's why piracy is an international issue.

Another situation would be safe rooms on the ships.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 06:50 PM
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3. Do you believe govt. is obligated to protect a corporation but not an individual? n/t
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 07:40 PM
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4. The Coast Guard comes to the aid of private boats every day... so what's the deal
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 07:46 PM
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6. Helping a boat AFTER an emergency is different from protecting a ship BEFORE an attack. n/t
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 09:42 PM
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9. That's the way it works ... I can't ask for a police escort every time I go to the store.
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Pullo Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 06:49 PM
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2. Jebus, arm the crews already!
I keep hearing this nonsense that companies don't want to arm the crew for liability reasons.


IMO unarmed crews are a much greater liability, in several ways.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 07:42 PM
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5. Sorry, nope. Can't have armed foreigners in the country. Next, we need to make safe
the Somali coast from corporate dumping. You simply can't just kill everybody. Happy people don't pirate.
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Pullo Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 08:22 PM
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7. While you figure out how to make Somalia a place where shiny, happy people only hold hands.....
our merchant sailors need to be able to defend themselves. A couple 870's stored in the captain's quarters would have easily enabled the crew to put down this hijacking.

Get back to me when you get everything else sorted out.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 09:41 PM
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8. Giving the authority to execute people on the high seas is NOT a good idea.
who certifies the qualified people to kill others. Like most simpleton solutions it fails ... you have to think it through on both sides of the problem.
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