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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 02:10 PM Original message |
can someone please tell me why so many people use the all or nothing approach??? |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
1. Well, I'd suggest a better storage method |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 02:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. batteries, fuel cells, whatever holds electricity |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 05:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
17. Flywheels actuall exist, too, I hear. |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 08:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
29. Not Really |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 10:50 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Your article doesn't mention SOLAR energy as |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 11:52 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. “Ultimately, Hydrogen Has To Be Made From Renewable Electricity By Electrolysis" |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 12:05 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. "Then we can start working on the natural gas crises." |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 12:48 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Yes, I Probably Misspoke. Barring Geopolitics, The Natural Gas Crises |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 11:20 AM Response to Reply #36 |
48. Again, they're talking about trucks and I'm talking about homes |
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Porcupine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 07:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
51. I hope you're not holding your breath. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
2. Makes sense to me. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 05:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
19. People have apparently forgotten about the REDUCE part of |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
3. Because black and white thinking is so much easier. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 02:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. sometimes it makes me want to scream |
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Fovea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
4. The magic bullet |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
7. Speaking as someone who is on the pessimistic side |
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garybeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 03:27 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. about your pessimistic side... |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 03:53 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. My work with large systems has taught me one thing |
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garybeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 04:06 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. it can be done in 10 years. there's a plan and it works. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 04:35 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. We're talking at different levels here. |
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garybeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 04:54 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. You've been where I am? I don't think so. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 05:35 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. You're right, I haven't done that kind of work with renewables. |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 07:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Here you go Rip, some links: |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 08:23 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Rip? Whatever. Thanks. |
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garybeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 12:55 AM Response to Reply #23 |
39. "Tell me why you think nuclear power is so bad?" |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 01:21 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Well, you would need to say more if you wanted to convince me of your position. |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 05:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. That's a great site. I pasted their four point program for those interested. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 05:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. Work for change. Do everything you can personally do |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 09:01 PM Response to Reply #9 |
30. .. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 11:02 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Self delete |
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oldhippie (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 07:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
50. renewable energy can supply ALL our power. no one disputes this,.... |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 05:01 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. The diminishing returns of increased complexity |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 05:57 PM Response to Reply #15 |
25. Have you read Joseph Tainter? |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 10:15 AM Response to Reply #25 |
46. No, but I've read of the book |
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garybeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
8. Where are people saying all or nothing? |
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Ready4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 10:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
31. I see it, or at least what LOOKS like it. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 10:32 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. How about this? |
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garybeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 01:01 AM Response to Reply #31 |
40. ignorance is the partner of pessimism |
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trekbiker (724 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
12. you are exactly right, its a mix of energy sources |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
16. Two words explain it all: PAID TROLLS |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 05:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. I thought about that one too |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 05:49 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Paid trolls would be better at this. |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 08:26 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. So A Difference Of Opinion = 'Paid Troll'? |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
18. Many prefer to talk about the "big" idea and find taking a 'smaller' less momentous, practical |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
35. In principle, I would agree. On the other hand magical thinking causes a lot of |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 01:05 AM Response to Reply #35 |
41. I know what you're getting at. Photovoltaic electricity is a small % of energy. |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 01:21 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Thank you for your enlightening discussion of primary energy. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 10:56 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Such a kidder. n/t |
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garybeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 01:08 AM Response to Reply #35 |
42. excuse me? |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 01:19 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Um do you know the difference between 3 and 913? |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 09:33 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. Nice photo |
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oldhippie (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
49. I think it's because......... |
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