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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 12:32 PM Original message |
Solar and wind power simply aren't practical. |
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YDogg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
1. Stay the course. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
2. No we wouldn't have to pave over the southwest |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
3. These folk's home has been "unpractical" for the last 11 years |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 01:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. You're not listening. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 01:48 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. There is no law of physics or chemistry or biology that sez it can't |
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Brotherjohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 02:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
23. YOU'RE not listening. "1% of energy demand"... you mean today? |
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Bobbieo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
4. The practical use of solar and wind power would depend |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
5. I didn't see any actual proof in your post, just expansive denial |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 12:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. I read somewhere that we could power the whole country with a PV array |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 01:48 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. That's not even remotely true. Whoever said it lied to you. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 02:03 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. The US Government is lying to you... |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 02:23 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. My information isn't from the government. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 02:47 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Nuclear power - which produces electricity - is supposed to |
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Ready4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 09:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
38. Huh? |
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atfqn (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 05:28 PM Response to Reply #26 |
45. It is excessively optimistic eh? |
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Salviati (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 03:08 PM Response to Reply #7 |
30. you may be thinking about: |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 11:43 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. They're currently working on some huge power plants |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 01:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. All it takes is a little research and calculation. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 01:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. according to what? |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 02:06 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. They're not my dots. That map is from a solar proponent. |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 04:03 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. That's at 8% cell efficiency. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 04:09 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Doesn't Sunpower sell 22% efficient (non-concentrating) modules today??? |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 04:34 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. I generally don't follow the w/m2 figures. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 01:56 PM Response to Reply #5 |
16. It is |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 02:08 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Not even close to accurate. |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 04:08 PM Response to Reply #21 |
33. Cell efficiency. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
6. Why limit them to your scope of the applications? |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 01:59 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. And that's a much better suggestion than most people have. |
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bigbrother05 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
8. Hydro and geothermal are other pieces |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 02:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
24. Yours is the smartest and most balanced response I got. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 03:13 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. What ecological damage is that??? |
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mucho macho (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
9. RED STATES |
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Brotherjohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
10. My little solar lights on my deck have no way of getting power at night... |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 02:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
22. You want to talk about a strawman argument? |
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Brotherjohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 02:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Of course there wouldn't need to be a big rechargeable NiCd battery... |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 03:05 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. . |
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Ready4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 10:16 PM Response to Reply #22 |
39. Battery storage alternatives. |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
11. Production level never seen? |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
27. More nonsense! |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
35. Mixed Bag |
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freethought (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 09:42 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. I would agree with you |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
41. Even if we could only get 20% of our energy needs from rooftop PV |
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NMDemDist2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 04:29 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. exactly! and if we'd all just replace our incandesent bulbs with CFB |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 05:39 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. One of my brothers just replaced all his major appliances |
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dcfirefighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 09:02 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. Sure.... |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 06:58 AM Response to Reply #49 |
71. That's all well and good for the NEAR term... |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 08:36 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Uranium will last a long time though. |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 08:49 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. IAEA doesn't seem to hold that view... |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 09:04 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. except they assume countries will mine new Uranium instead of recycling it |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 09:21 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. No, they account for recycling and reprocessing... |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 10:21 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. 2020 is short term, and not relevant to the larger question |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-22-06 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
42. They aren't practical as remote energy sources. |
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suziedemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 07:07 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Exactly!!! |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:18 AM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Very good point |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 11:11 AM Response to Reply #42 |
57. That's not true - wind/PV/solar thermal farms are "remote" sources. |
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suziedemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 06:02 PM Response to Reply #57 |
66. I thought he meant when the electricity is generated away from use. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-22-06 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
43. There are many applications where these are the most practical choice. |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
48. Why not put solar cells in the places already paved over? |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
50. Straw man |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 03:55 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Well, define "can." |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 09:07 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Define "is." |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 09:24 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. You're making some excellent points but there's a bit of an omission |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 01:07 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. I think we are more aware of subsidies than is generally acknowledged. |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 12:10 PM Response to Reply #60 |
77. Decided? |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 08:32 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. You are confusing thermal capacity with electrical capacity. |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 11:04 PM Response to Reply #55 |
69. Hidden costs need to be dialed into the equation. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 11:04 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. What horseshit |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 10:49 PM Response to Reply #56 |
68. Deleted message |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 11:45 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Deleted message |
Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 11:28 AM Response to Reply #51 |
58. No case |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 02:34 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Why? |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 05:45 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Scale |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 05:58 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Answers. |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 02:40 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. I think you'd better check your numbers. |
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RestoreGore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 07:53 AM Response to Original message |
53. This all shows we're doomed |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 04:46 PM Response to Reply #53 |
79. What he said |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
59. Demand-side-management can "eliminate other forms of production" |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 02:40 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Agreed. |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 06:11 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. That rather depends on transport, though |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
78. U.S. Wind Power potential exceeds 1.5 times current total demand. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 07:31 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Double those costs maybe, and you are closer to the truth. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 08:35 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. I'm sure Mexico would LOVE that |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 02:20 AM Response to Reply #82 |
86. Mexico is going to import LNG for us instead... |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 04:43 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. vanadium redox batteries by VRB Power systems - economical solution to |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 02:45 AM Response to Reply #84 |
87. VRB is not as inexpensive as you claim. |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
83. I am doing some math. |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
85. Vector Announces New Manitoba Projects expects 1,000 MW in three yrs |
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