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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 04:36 PM
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How Goldman Sachs Manipulates Oil Prices, Wholesale Electricity Prices In Order To Sell Nukes
Edited on Thu Jun-19-08 04:42 PM by McCamy Taylor
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3479342

The above is a link to a thread in General Discussions that someone asked me to post here. I will summarize the main points. There are lots of links and much more discussion in the thread itself.

Basically, Goldman Sachs is accused of manipulating the price of oil using the Enron Loophole, raising prices by 50% to 100%. This makes profit for it and the oil companies, both through speculation and for Goldman Sachs own oil refineries (yes, it is in the oil business, so it sets its own price). Goldman Sachs also owns several large utilities. In Texas, it owns what used to be TXU. Through Luminant, it controls electricity wholesale rates which have been doing an Enron-California number this summer spiking up to 20 times their normal rate some hours driving competitor electricity retailers out of business driving up consumer rates (Texas is now deregulated thanks to the GOP--it was supposed to save money) and allowing Luminant to lobby for more nuclear reactors which it can suddenly boast will be cost efficient in the new world of $2500 killowatt-hour electricity that the state faces. Yes, Luminant (owned by Goldman Sachs) not only controls wholesale electricity rates, it also owns nukes and wants to build more of them despite stiff opposition from people in Dallas and Fort Worth who say that they will use up scarce local water and will produce overpriced electricity.

In other states, Goldman Sachs is able to make investments in more friendly solar technology, safe in the knowledge that it can keep energy prices high enough that it will see return on its investment. Solar is great. Market manipulation is not.

And Goldman Sachs also owns a utility that--get this---supplies oil refineries. So, it can brown out oil refineries and affect oil supplies in the U.S. that way. No word on whether federal regulators have investigated them to see if they have tried that tactic, but someone should. I recall a bunch of refineries being off line last year and the year before that.

It is ridiculous to try to hold a meaningful discussion about the economics of energy investment when you realize that companies like Goldman Sachs--which in 2004 gave more money to the political parties and candidates in the US than any other company--game the system in order to keep energy prices the way that they want them. If Goldman Sachs wants to build nuclear reactors in North Texas, Goldman Sachs will brown out the electricity supply in North Texas, its electricity retail unity will make out like a bandit, its politicians in Austin will look the other way, eventually people will agree that something has to be done and work will begin on nuclear reactors that will not go online for years....

It is all a shell game.

Real scientific and manufacturing companies, that are actually researching real advances in nuclear technology and trying to build state of the art reactors that will last should be the first to condemn this new breed of Enron type robber barons , because companies like Goldman Sachs are going to cover the United States with defective shoddily built nukes that they have no intention of maintaining since all they want to do is make a quick buck and move on to the next get quick rich scheme.

Oh, and if the oil companies or the Saudis ever see their prices drop, all they have to do is get Al Qaeda, which the Bush administration has made stronger in Iraq and Afghanistan and Guantanamo, blow up one of these nuclear power plants that have absolutely no security except rent a cops (because their owners want people to think of them as good neighbors) and suddenly we will all be back on the oil and coal standard again. But only after the Goldman Sachs of the world have taken us all for a few trillion dollars that we could have spent in a diversified energy portfolio instead.
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 05:01 PM
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1. Thanks for posting this!
We should all be completely outraged!! The good news is that the more people know about it, the more the pressure will mount for Goldman-Sachs! Mr. Goldman or Sachs or both of them- are probably most definitely working for the devil!!!
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:32 PM
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2. Great post - thanks for putting all that together. nt
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:35 PM
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3. He left out the part where the Pope met with the CIA and the Masons to kill Kennedy.
Edited on Thu Jun-19-08 08:39 PM by NNadir
This was right after Fidel Castro and the illuminati planted electrodes in Lee Harvey Oswald's brain to prevent him from really demonstrating what was actually happening at Area 51, where illegal aliens from the Andromeda galaxy were actively working to import hemp from Neptune for Sam Giancana's drug cartel.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:43 PM
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4.  GREAT POST Thank you. bookmarked KnR
I was that someone who requested this be posted here....it is a fine addition to the ongoing debate... a fine addition indeed, thanks! :thumbsup:
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:07 PM
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5. Here's another set of clues you can use
This will possibly give you some insight into the current state of the energy industry.

In spite of some jocularity I will indulge myself in later on, I am quite serious about this.

You will need to compile or locate a series of simple lists of energy-producing and technology concerns. These lists need not be 100% complete; you only need overall coverage of the bigger industries involved. You can edit them for completeness later.

Additionally, you may also need to be sitting down before embarking on this exercise, and to make sure you have refilled your anti-anxiety or anti-depressant medication, if any has been prescribed by your physician or other licensed health care professional.

1. Compile a list of the nuclear energy companies.

2. Compile a list of the solar energy companies.

3. Compile a list of the wind energy companies.

4. Compile, or locate, a list of the oil companies.

(4b. OPTIONAL. Compile, or locate, a list of the semiconductor companies.)

5. Compare the lists.

6. When you are able to breathe again, or have stopped involuntarily weeping, return to the forum. No heartfelt apology will be needed; we've all had similar experiences.

7. Prepare for several more, similar experiences.

I am,

Sincerely,

A Fellow Primary-Season Hillary Supporter,

--p!
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 05:13 PM
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7. I'm guessing...not alot of diversity among these groups and alot of overlap?..n/t
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 05:01 PM
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6. Goldman Sachs bought Horizon Wind here in Houston
a couple of years ago. Hmmmmmmm.

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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 05:21 PM
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8. This is exactly what the oil companies have done over the years to suppress
solar and other sustainable technologies.

Read the book: The Sun Betrayed, written many years ago now. Way back then it was going on...and it's still going on.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 11:56 AM
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9. And now they want to get rights to all the hills
Lots of oil companies buying land rights to perfect sites for windmills here in Texas.
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