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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 06:04 PM Original message |
I say a proton is not the same as a hydrogen atom.Does anyone disagree |
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fsbooks (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
1. agreed |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 06:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. I was specefic, of course a proton is a posively charged ion. Did I not |
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iconoclastic cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. A proton is one of the subparticles of the ion. |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 06:26 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Yes a proton is an ion. What else you say is unclear. Are you thinking of |
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iconoclastic cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 06:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I was wrong! That was a guess. |
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olddem43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
3. I think the proton is the same as the Hydogen nucleus |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 06:27 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. That is what I said. |
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Leprechan29 (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
4. As far as nuclear reactions are concerned |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 06:19 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. agreed |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 06:50 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Well I say it is a pollution of the linguistics of chemistry and physics |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 06:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Yes we agree on that, but lets be clear, a hydrogen atom stripped of its |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 07:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. A hydrogen atom by definition is not stripped of its electron and has it |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
7. Deleted message |
DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 06:53 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. I posted that BHT site and you can kiss........ |
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Bdog (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
14. It depends on the context. |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 07:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Wrong. H2 is just that ,and an ion as you said. The "NORMAL" form of a |
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Bdog (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 07:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. If you say so... |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 07:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Actually, in chemistry... |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 07:48 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. Wrong, I specifaclly stated a hydrogen atom is not a proton. What is hard |
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Bdog (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 07:57 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. By normal earthly circumstances |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 05:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
45. Sorry, no links. |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 06:35 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Thank you for that informative reply DrWeird. |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 11:49 PM Response to Reply #19 |
38. H3 is a form of what can be called a hydronium ion,though I do not recall |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 05:03 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. No, Oscar, a hydronium ion is H3O+. |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. You are right about that. I was answering questions as fast as I could and |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
16. Well, it's really a matter of semantics. |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 07:25 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Oh really, well if what you say is true, then most chemists do not know |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 07:28 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. So what you're saying is that atoms aren't particles? |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 08:32 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. Yes,they are composed of particles,the nucleons and their electrons |
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Bdog (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 09:08 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Listen... |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 10:21 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Very often during chemical reactions hydrogens depart as protons. That |
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Bdog (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 11:05 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. So, as you just said |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 12:00 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. IT IS A PROTON BECAUSE IT LEFT ITS ELECTRON and is no longer an atom |
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Bdog (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 05:58 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Can you tell me where |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 10:05 PM Response to Reply #42 |
55. Any star and on earth when a so called hydrogen torch is being used in |
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snowFLAKE (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:04 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Yay!! Happy happy joy joy |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Geez you guys enjoy giving me a hard time. I was specifically speaking of |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:39 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. Because hydrogen has 1 proton as it`s nucleus when that electron is |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 03:35 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Oscar, do you own a dictionary? |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 07:38 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. You claim to know so much about chemistry, and say " ions,atoms,and |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 12:26 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. No, Oscar, chemists consider atoms, ions, and molecules... |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:10 PM Response to Reply #22 |
50. Atoms are not particles,they are made up of particles. |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
17. I say the zeroth element is a neutron. |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 07:31 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. As always , you have nothing to say as to the subject being discussed. |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 08:34 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Well Oscar, frankly I think some of things being discussed are beyond |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 11:15 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. As far as I know: a neutron is a proton that has in some way not fully |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 11:40 PM Response to Reply #37 |
64. No Oscar, you are wrong. A neutron is not a proton + an electron. |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 12:46 AM Response to Reply #32 |
41. I SAID PARTICLES: not neutrons .And deuterium and tritium are isotopes |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
24. You're really taking this personally, aren't you? |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 08:16 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. You are wrong. That is what this whole thread is about. If you do not know |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 12:20 AM Response to Reply #24 |
40. A methyl group is a CH3 group. I will count to ten for you in the methane |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 05:14 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Gee, thanks Oscar. |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 09:15 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. You ask me so many off the wall questions I guess I was trying WEIRD |
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treepig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 07:01 AM Response to Reply #40 |
68. dear oscar (in the spirit of dear abby): |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
25. Good night, the usual nonsense regarding an extremely simple principle |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 07:38 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Oscar, are you really a marine? |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 08:06 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. I am a former or exmarine. I do not run from physical fights, I am simply |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 08:59 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. I never ran from fights before ,during ,or after my service as a Marine |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 05:21 PM Response to Reply #33 |
47. Then why are you running from the argument? |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:14 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Well, I get tired after a while and do have other things to do in my life. |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 03:37 AM Response to Reply #51 |
57. But you've started two more threads... |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 05:12 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. What question are you referring to? I went over them and answered all |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 02:14 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. BHT thread, post #115. nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 02:50 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Deleted message |
DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 11:15 AM Response to Reply #60 |
69. I'm sorry, Oscar, was that your answer? |
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DEMVET-USMC (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
62. If, as many have stated"there is no difference between a hydrogen atom |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 12:22 AM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Whoever stated that? |
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Catholic Sensation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
63. how did this discussion get two deleted posts? |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 12:19 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. I guess somebody can dish it out better than they can take it. |
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