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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:39 PM Original message |
Every argument I've had about horse racing being animal abuse has been locked; let's have another. |
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otherlander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:42 PM Response to Original message |
1. I hate it when you agree with me. |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. No you don't. |
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graywarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
2. How do you feel about horses dancing? |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. It has all the artistic merit of 7 year olds doing synchronized swimming. |
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graywarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:48 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. *snort* |
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kentauros (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:53 AM Response to Reply #5 |
38. I love dressage! |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 10:22 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. They haven't finished growing |
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kentauros (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. I was referring to dressage horses |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
77. Dressage trainer here. |
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Brigid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #77 |
93. Is it true that . . . |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #93 |
109. Lippizzanners do make excellent dressage horses! |
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CottonBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #77 |
122. Thank you for your sane comments from a fellow rider and horse owner. |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
15. OMG!!! |
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Zuiderelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
4. I agree. |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
7. i have never understood the appeal of any animal racing. |
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auntAgonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
8. You'll get no argument from me. |
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Shine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
9. I concur. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
10. I agree with you, and I don't see this thread getting locked any time soon. |
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SOteric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
11. I'm sorry to have to disagree with you Rabrrrrrr, but I do. |
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lost-in-nj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. What she said!! |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:16 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. what she said --- except that I would add that |
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ceile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #11 |
47. What she said. n/t |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #11 |
50. Thank you for being sorry you disagree with me. All people should be so kind. |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #11 |
53. You rock, SO. Even though I disagree with you. You're so nice, it's hard to do so. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
12. Okay fucker, fine. Let's have at it! |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 07:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
132. No. Let's play: thermo-nuclear war. |
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hippywife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
14. Add me to the chorus |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
16. IBTL (since your threads keep getting locked) n/t |
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Fox Mulder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
18. I agree |
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stuntcat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
19. yes |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
20. Rabrrrrrr, how can I stop horse racing when I never started? |
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KSinTX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #20 |
40. Lay off the pasta or you WILL be Alerted on |
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sammythecat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
21. I used to think it was just a lot of colorful excitement, |
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OmahaBlueDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
22. It just doesn't bother me |
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sammythecat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #22 |
124. Women: We kiss'em, love'em and fuck'em; why not beat'em, rape'em, and dominate'em? |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:30 PM Response to Original message |
23. You won't get any disagreement from this house. |
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huskerlaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
24. Agreed. |
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GoddessOfGuinness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
25. It is abusive...I never race when I'm hoarse. |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:45 AM Response to Original message |
26. Rabrrrrrr, I thought you would be intereseted -- |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 07:35 AM Response to Original message |
27. Not everybody is rich in the sport |
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Zuiderelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 08:12 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. We should keep racing horses to keep the people involved employed? |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 08:20 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. unemployment is usually a bullshit argument |
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Zuiderelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 08:26 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Couldn't agree more. |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 08:33 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. I've been around these people |
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Zuiderelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 08:48 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Why does it matter if they enjoy it? If the end result is incredible cruelty towards the horses |
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jakefrep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 10:34 AM Response to Reply #36 |
44. Ok, so if we ban horse racing, what happens to the horses? |
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Zuiderelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Another bullshit argument. Let's keep hurting horses, because if we don't what will happen to them? |
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jakefrep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. So if racing horses is "cruel", what CAN we do with them? |
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Zuiderelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. I'm sure there are plenty of people willing to accept a free horse. |
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jakefrep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 12:10 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. And if not, then what? |
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Zuiderelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. It's a ludicrous argument. Keep abusing animals because you don't know what else to do with them. |
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jakefrep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #59 |
67. Not nearly as ludicrous as your assertion that racing is abuse. |
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Zuiderelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Then we are at a point where we must agree to disagree. |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #55 |
68. So, you're admitting that the current owners of race horses wouldn't keep the horses |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:09 PM Response to Reply #68 |
102. Many of them wouldn't keep their horses if they weren't making enough money anymore. |
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Boudica the Lyoness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #54 |
107. No they wont |
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Zuiderelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. It's still no reason to continue to abuse them. |
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Boudica the Lyoness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #108 |
118. Racing a horse is not abuse |
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Zuiderelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. Horse racing is completely unnecessary. What's the point anyway? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #107 |
111. Deleted message |
Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #46 |
88. If one were to take this argument seriously, we should never have switched |
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jakefrep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. I fail to see the logic in replacing one animal welfare problem with another |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Simply care for the ones that are being cared for now, and don't breed more. |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 05:30 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Ah, so we should NOT stop doing something unethical, because it might cost something. |
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StarryNite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #44 |
72. Yeah, let's abuse them here |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 08:50 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Then let them find work AT a summer camp |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #31 |
49. But, dammit, ALL of humanity lost THE day we unemployed the town gaSLIGhters. |
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Sequoia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #29 |
121. I worked for a horse racing station |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 10:22 AM Response to Reply #27 |
42. Employment as an issue? |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #27 |
48. I'm saddened that we've happily allowed telephone operators to live in unemployed poverty, |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #27 |
51. No, these people are practically poverty stricken |
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BarenakedLady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 07:56 AM Response to Original message |
28. I agree |
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DarkTirade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
30. If you want to say it's abuse, that's one thing... |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 05:03 PM Response to Reply #30 |
89. Running animals to death and fighting them to death is different how? nt |
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DarkTirade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #89 |
95. The purpose of a horse race is not to run an animal to death. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. The death of a horse is what began this discussion. |
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DarkTirade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:16 PM Response to Reply #97 |
103. ... VROOOM. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:18 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. So, some deaths bother you. Some don't. I got that point. nt |
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DarkTirade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. ... WTF? How exactly are you getting that from what I wrote? |
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terrya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 08:22 AM Response to Original message |
32. I agree. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
35. horse racing is ok because it is primarily controlled by rich white people. nt. |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
39. If they whipped them more would they, maybe, run faster? |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
52. Hey!! Can you keep this crap from GD out of teh lounge!!1!! |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
56. I'll see your "stop horse racing" and raise you |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Uh, oh. |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. I've got news for you, my dear. |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Yeah, right |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #66 |
83. No collars, here. |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #56 |
85. How about adopting them? |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Nope |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:07 PM Response to Reply #56 |
99. I almost agree |
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two gun sid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
58. I breed and race Standardbreds... |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #58 |
69. Dressage and combined training breeder and competitor here. |
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two gun sid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. No Bute allowed here either... |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
60. I've done a 180 regarding this subject. |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. The horses are treated well, as long as the potential to make money for |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. That's what concerns me, Midlo. |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #64 |
76. I think most owners aren't abusive, but the inherent nature of a |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #76 |
84. They are different worlds. |
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DarkTirade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #76 |
110. I think you've hit the nail on the head there. |
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HERVEPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
61. Totally agree. Any thoughts about horseback riding in general? (nt) |
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Schema Thing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
65. I haven't followed any of the arguments on this |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #65 |
73. I do think about the ethics of eating animals a lot as well. |
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two gun sid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #73 |
101. What the fuck kind of logic is this? |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #73 |
112. I own competition horses, draft horses, and plan to use a pony for transport |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 06:10 AM Response to Reply #112 |
113. I don't think you can transgress a grey area. That's why we call it gray. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 09:47 AM Response to Reply #113 |
114. But you're making value judgements all over the place |
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Westegg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
74. What I don't get is: "This horse wants to win" ... |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Or "That horse is giving everything it has!" |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. Horses run fast because they want to run fast. |
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Westegg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 03:04 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. I get the "running in a herd" thing... |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. Yes. Horses have the lead stallion and the boss mare |
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Westegg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #87 |
123. Every damn day I learn something... |
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two gun sid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #123 |
126. Man O War is buried at the Kentucky Horse Park... |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. While not anthropomophizing, horses do have an instinctive desire to be the pack leader |
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Boudica the Lyoness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #74 |
96. No it's not ludicrous |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. What am I eating for dinner? Tofu scramble (yum!), hash browns, |
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Boudica the Lyoness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 07:07 PM Response to Reply #98 |
106. My point should be obvious |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #106 |
117. That high school kid chose to run track. |
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Boudica the Lyoness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #117 |
119. I know many kids in this small American town |
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JoDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #96 |
116. Yes, the horses are racing too young |
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Miss Carly (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
78. they race those horses while they are still considered toddlers in human years |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. This is true. I have huge problems with 2 yr old TBs racing. nt |
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Justpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 10:50 AM Response to Reply #81 |
115. I have a huge problem with your misconception of two year old racing. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 06:45 PM Response to Reply #115 |
128. I stand corrected. Thanks for the info. |
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Brigid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
94. There have been too many tragic incidents lately,. |
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GOPisEvil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
100. We're beating a dead horse - literally. |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
125. Yay for breaking rules!! |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #125 |
127. Where on DU does it say that having an opinion is against the rules? |
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DarkTirade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #127 |
129. It isn't... but continuing a flamewar from a locked thread is. |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 06:56 PM Response to Reply #129 |
130. The two threads that I was in that were locked, were locked at OP's request |
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DarkTirade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 07:01 PM Response to Reply #130 |
131. Maybe their idea of how hot a post has to be before it's a flame war is a bit lower than yours. :) |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-07-08 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
133. kicking this weakling runt of a creature back to the top while it's down |
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BarenakedLady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-07-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #133 |
134. Rabble-rouser. |
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