All Jazz (including 'smooth') is greater than All Country (including the "old stuff")

[RadiationTherapy]

discuss; if you dare.

[LanternWaste]

1. And Tchaikovsky wipes his ass with the sheet music of rock, country AND jazz.

And Tchaikovsky wipes his ass with the sheet music of rock, country AND jazz (well-- the few in those genres who actually know how to read music...).

Retort, if you must :rofl:

[RadiationTherapy]

14. Off topic, but I will say

that I find classical music to be, in general, a bit stuffy and "aristocratic". It doesn't regularly meet my needs as a listener nor as a dancer.

[qwertyMike]

30. All you have to is

LISTEN

Why do you think we still hear these 100 - 300 yrs music again?
Snobbery?

[RadiationTherapy]

37. Frankly, I think it is because a vast majority of people fear the new

and "worship" the established and old. I mean, opinions are assholes and all, but I am of the opinion that we actually still study and play this music because that is what academia knows and that is what they stick to. Obviously it is an incomplete and somewhat flawed way of saying it, but I do not think it is the merits of the music itself (exceptions exist, naturally) that drives this longevity you speak of.

[Richard Steele]

2. "Smooth Jazz" has less merit than the average pimple on Johnny Cash's ass did.

Nothing to discuss- it's a FACT.

[RadiationTherapy]

15. Ok, but then we have Miles, Coltrane and Brubeck vs.

Billie Ray, Faith Hill and the "boot up your ass 911" songwriter...

Oh the humanity!!

[Richard Steele]

26. Hardly. You're comparing true musical genuises to hollow, vapid, industry-created "pop stars".

If you want a fair comparison between Country & Jazz, then compare Billy Ray
to my stubby-fingered second cousin who took 6 months of saxophone lessons,
knowhutImean?

[RadiationTherapy]

35. I used that analogy because Billy Ray Cyrus = "smooth jazz"

I mean, c'mon, Kenny G?? Soulless; heartless; just like BRC!

[Richard Steele]

47. QUESTION: If "Billy Ray" and "Kenny G" fought to the death with chainsaws, who would win?

A: Billy Ray

B: Kenny G

C: Every true "music lover" on the face of the planet.

[RadiationTherapy]

48. Exactly. Damn, I miss Hendrix; He'd have sewn all this shit up.

[LeftyMom]

20. This is true.

:thumbsup:

[HuskerDU]

3. No way.

Here is how I would rank 'em:

1. (Country) Western Swing ala Bob Wills and his Texas Playboys- If you wanna call this stuff jazz (it is hillbilly jazz to me) then yeah Jazz kicks ass!

2. (Country) Bluegrass- breakneck speed music- hits me the same way hardcore punk hits me.

3. (Country) Old-time country- for instance- the musicians honored on the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band's 'Will the Circle Be Unbroken' lp. Plus the individual Highwaymen, Loretta Lynn, Tammy Wynette, Haggard, Husky, Williams Sr etc etc White blues really.

4. (Jazz) Dixieland jazz- the only true 'jazz' I really like- gotta be that exuberant 'Sweet Georgia Brown' kinda stuff

5. (Country) New Country- Not good, but better than 15,000 notes going nowhere.

6. (Jazz) Coltrane- Bird- Miles Davis etc- the music snob jazz- heard it all and hate it all just as much as some rock band playing 40 minute 'songs'. Great for somebody else to listen to.

7. (Jazz) Smooth jazz- yup- gotta be the worst.

If Zyedeco fits in here, well it beats all jazz except Dixieland. And of course country rock and alt/country beat all jazz too.

[RadiationTherapy]

17. Wow. A for effort, man! Much better thought out than my post! nt

[Bake]

4. Hank Williams and Jimmie Rodgers are laughing at you right this second

Along with Lefty Frizzell. Conway Twitty. Tammy Wynette. Bill Monroe. Lester Flatt. They're all laughing their asses off.

So am I!

:rofl:

Bake

[RadiationTherapy]

21. hm. ok.

[unpossibles]

5. wrong!

wow. I love good jazz (most things up to Bitches Brew era, and a decent amount since then), and like only a little country, but I can't agree. Johnny Cash is a million times better than Kenny G.

[RadiationTherapy]

22. yes, but offset, perhaps, by Ella Fitzgerald being a million times better than

Dwight Yoakum??

[unpossibles]

24. well, no question that GOOD jazz is much better than crap country

and I'll even grant that crappy jazz is better than crappy country, but.. I balk at saying crappy "jazz" is better than good country.

[RadiationTherapy]

29. That's why it is a "sum" thing. How could anyone say that crap "this"

is better than good "that"?...I can't.

[Bake]

31. Actually, Yoakam repesents the Buck Owens/Bakersfield connection

A little homage to one of the original "outlaws" of country music.

And he's not bad. I'll be the first to admit that a lot of what passes for country today sucks large. But there's still some good stuff out there.

And some good jazz too.

Bake

[mitchum]

6. I think Mr Armstrong may have disagreed with you...

check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqc209-rwNI

[HuskerDU]

8. Goodness gracious what a gem!!

Thanks mitchum.

[mitchum]

11. Pretty cool, huh?

I wonder if backstage, Louis said something along the lines of, "Y'know John, if you had smoked weed every day like me, it really would taken some of the edge off all that speed"

[HuskerDU]

16. ROFL!

:rofl:

Muddy Waters had a similar take- 'stick to the reefer, don't mess around with no cocaine.'

edit- gotta get those acronyms right, doh!

[mulsh]

19. As Mr. Armstrong said, "There's only two kinds of music,

the good kind and the other. I like good music."

[RadiationTherapy]

41. ...and music surpasses all human understanding...

Thanks for that clip. Just seeing Louis with that smile and voice...it caught my breath. Thanks.

[Redneck Socialist]

56. Woooo! That's awesome!

Thanks for the great find!

[Bake]

7. Django would've loved progressive bluegrass

He'd be pickin' today with Tony Rice. And David Grisman.

That dude could PLAY!!!!!

Bake

[BrotherBuzz]

10. I don't disagree

Interesting, Stéphane Grappelli had the opportunity to play with both Django Reinhardt and David Grisman.

[Bake]

13. Grappelli and Grisman recorded an album together, IIRC

I know Grisman loved Django's music, and recorded Minor Swing on one of his albums.

Bake

[RadiationTherapy]

23. Although I do not typically include bluegrass in the "country" genre,

I would love to know more about the Grapelli/Grisman work. I am a fan of Grapelli, Grisman and Django.

[BrotherBuzz]

28. I caught Grappelli and Grisman at the Great American Music Hall in SF

David and his Dawg music was featured, but Grappelli made a cameo appearance, and then some! They had just finished filming 'King of the Gypsies' in the Monterey area, and by all accounts, they had struck a close friendship that resulted in them touring and recording.

OT: I first heard and learned of Grisman when he sat playing his mandolin in the stern of a nice little Whitehall that was being rowed past my sailboat berthed in Sausalito. That was a magical summer evening, sweet music floating across the glassy harbor.

[Bake]

32. Grisman is one of two mandolinists I can identify within 3 notes

Just by his style and the sound of his mandolin. The other is Sam Bush. They are just immediately recognizable.

Grisman wandered off into jazz (and he even had - gasp - drums in his band!) but he can still play some genuine bluegrass. He also turned a lot of 'grassers on to jazz and swing (like Django's stuff, e.g.).

Bake

[Shakespeare]

9. Stupid and utterly uninformed statement. n/t

[BlueJazz]

12. Classical and (True) Jazz are the Rolls Royce of hearing and Music.

Everything else is popular Fords and Chevys.

or put it another way....
You can learn to play all music in 6 months to a year ..except Jazz and Classical (well)

They take Decades...

[RadiationTherapy]

44. I have never understood why the complexity and challenge of certain music

somehow makes them "better". There is an awful lot of expression in a simple 3 chord tune.

[BlueJazz]

52. "There is an awful lot of expression in a simple 3 chord tune"

You bet!...and there's a lot of 3 chord songs I'd rather play then many classical and jazz stuff.
(For me) ...it's just the average classical and jazz tune is much more cerebral in it's make-up or maybe
a better way to explain how I feel is to take that 3 chord song that has a lot of expression and add a lot more
chord changes and complexity...there's just more "stuff" to enjoy. :)

ON EDIT: Oh...frankly...I'd rather hear or play just about anything than 90 percent of smooth jazz :puke:

[jgraz]

18. Exactly. Kenny G is sooooo much better than Patsy Cline

:eyes:

[RadiationTherapy]

25. And Billie Ray Cyrus is soooooo much better than....

emoticons of any kind.

[jgraz]

27. Such a silly OP barely deserves an emoticon

No genre is immune from sucky music and, sadly, the commercial music industry tends to push the worst, lowest-common-denominator shit on people.

I've played in a few dozen working bands in my life, and I'll pick a kickass country band over a shitty jazz combo every time.

[RadiationTherapy]

34. Well, then, it is silly. nt

[Crabby Appleton]

33. You need to change the water in your bong, d00d. nt

[RadiationTherapy]

40. Done. Now what? nt

[Redstone]

36. Not to people who like country music. Nor to people ho don't like jazz.

Redstone

[RadiationTherapy]

39. I agree. I was getting a kick out of posting opinion as fact, but

of course, all opinions are full of shit, in a way. Some decent reading on this thread, though...g.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

38. Jazz beats Country, but classic Country beats Smooth Jazz.

EVERYTHING beats smooth jazz. :P

[RadiationTherapy]

42. STARBUCKS beats smooth jazz???

Trick question; Starbucks IS smooth jazz.

[JVS]

51. Causing yourself to be deaf beats smooth jazz

[Deja Q]

43. .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPlRcoYj32c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpo0v688ATw

[RadiationTherapy]

45. Ouch. That hurt. nt

[WritingIsMyReligion]

46. Smooth jazz beats nothing. Absolutely nothing.

It's tied with crap country new stuff in a fierce race to the bottom. :D

[RadiationTherapy]

49. This is why I am tempted to believe in conspiracies!! The wacky kind!

How can this stuff even exist!?!? Because it is heartless and it is souless and that is what "they" want "us" to be. I say it tongue-in-cheek, but it still seems absurd to think some large swath of the population regards that music in any way...doesn't pass the "sniff test"

*sniffsniff*

[JVS]

50. NO FUCKING WAY. Smooth Jazz is the most absolutely vile and vomit-curdling stuff imaginable

[BlueJazz]

55. How would you like to have to play the crap for 5 hours a night ...

...6 days a week?
I don't have to now but I have done that (to pay rent and eat)..... AGGGGHH! :puke: :)

[RadiationTherapy]

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[mitchum]

60. But that's when narcotics can be a necessary job aid...

just don't try to write them off as a business expense

[skater314159]

53. EXCLUDING smooth, all Jazz beats ALL country!

Smooth Jazz should be relegated to the pits of Hell along with ALL the country!

"I don’t know where jazz is going. Maybe it’s going to hell. You can’t make anything go anywhere. It just happens."

- Thelonious Monk

[RadiationTherapy]

59. Circle gets the square!!

[swag]

54. I don't care what somebody else likes. Music is for me.

[kwassa]

57. Hannah Montana (spawn of Billy Ray Cyrus) makes the very best music of all

a little bit country, a little rock 'n roll

the kids go crazy!