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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 03:51 PM Original message |
GM & Ford are dead. |
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Kralizec (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
1. You coulda said this 10 years ago. (nt) |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
16. I did say this 20 years ago. n/t |
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ny_liberal (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 11:17 PM Response to Reply #16 |
115. why do you guys hate the auto workers union? |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:19 AM Response to Reply #115 |
129. Love the Union, hate the management that keeps making inferior crap. n/t |
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TommyO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 06:44 AM Response to Reply #129 |
167. Both Ford and GM can put out good cars |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:27 AM Response to Reply #167 |
173. Thank you.... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:49 PM Response to Reply #167 |
187. Yes we've been told this before. It has always been lies in the past, so |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:27 PM Response to Reply #115 |
183. Don't hate them, just follow their example |
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ny_liberal (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
2. bad news for all those US workers :( |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
13. When profit is put over the reasons profit are made, ALL LOSE. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
19. People will still buy cars...and Honda and Toyota will employ them. |
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ny_liberal (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 06:00 PM Response to Reply #19 |
69. mostly in Asia ++ all profits go back to Japan |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 06:18 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Why? So they can continue to run their companies into the ground? |
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Egalitariat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 10:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
111. Who do you think made the Rav 4?***** |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:24 AM Response to Reply #2 |
130. LOL! GM alone used to employ that many in M. Moore's home town. |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
3. I would never own a Japanese car. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 03:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Interestingly enough |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Don't like Toyotas or Nissans or Hondas |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
23. It's a metal box that takes me from point a to point b. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:27 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. That's why Mustangs aren't true sports cars. |
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maveric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:38 PM Response to Reply #28 |
41. Boring?? You've got to be shitting me. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. They're muscle cars. |
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maveric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 05:10 PM Response to Reply #43 |
55. LIke I said I just took one the windiest hwy's in the US . Hwy 1/CA |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 05:21 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. My father drove the same road in a Mustang and it sucked. |
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maveric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 06:48 PM Response to Reply #58 |
84. My experience was much different. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:13 AM Response to Reply #84 |
122. Have you ever driven a real sports car? If, as I suspect, you've always |
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susanna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:09 AM Response to Reply #122 |
125. The new Mustang isn't the old Mustang. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:22 AM Response to Reply #125 |
134. In total agreement.... |
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susanna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:06 AM Response to Reply #43 |
124. When was it that you last drove a Mustang? Just curious. n/t |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:20 AM Response to Reply #43 |
133. Ah fuck... you don't know how to drive. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:44 AM Response to Reply #133 |
149. Pick up your toy and go home if you can't play nice. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 03:26 AM Response to Reply #149 |
159. That's true.... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 03:43 AM Response to Reply #159 |
162. The Ford GT embarrasses Porches and Ferrari's? |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:37 AM Response to Reply #162 |
176. Wow, you really don't get it do you? |
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Hypatia82 (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 03:28 PM Response to Reply #176 |
204. You may want to check the 0-60 numbers... |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:52 AM Response to Reply #162 |
179. And furthermore... |
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Hypatia82 (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 03:01 PM Response to Reply #179 |
201. New 911 Turbos are very reliable... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:37 PM Response to Reply #162 |
198. You're wrong on this one. Selling for about $160,000, the Ford GT |
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Hypatia82 (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 03:06 PM Response to Reply #198 |
202. There's a couple niche 911's.... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 10:15 AM Response to Reply #202 |
219. But with a price tag of over a half mill I'd give the nod to the US. n/t |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:30 PM Response to Reply #159 |
196. I think the class that the Mustang competes in is with the Nissan |
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kysrsoze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:49 PM Response to Reply #41 |
188. What, did you drive a V6 Camry? |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 06:35 PM Response to Reply #23 |
78. Metal box |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 07:07 PM Response to Reply #78 |
86. Yeah, those things ARE butt-ugly... (IMO) |
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arcos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
48. you're saying these cars have no personality? |
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FlaGranny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 07:40 PM Response to Reply #48 |
92. God, they're ugly, buggy, boxy looking things. |
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arcos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 06:40 AM Response to Reply #92 |
166. Boxy? |
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FlaGranny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:36 AM Response to Reply #166 |
175. All in the eye of the beholder - |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:26 AM Response to Reply #48 |
137. Are those the same car? |
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arcos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 06:38 AM Response to Reply #137 |
165. No, but they are all Japanese... |
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okieinpain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 07:38 PM Response to Reply #8 |
90. surely you jest. not liking a asian vechicle is one thing, but to call |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 10:12 PM Response to Reply #8 |
107. How about Subaru Outbacks? |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:25 AM Response to Reply #107 |
136. I actually owned a Subaru. |
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alittlelark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:35 AM Response to Reply #8 |
131. My 2004 Totoya Sienna 4wd is a very unique car! |
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Rosco T. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Define "Japanese Car"... |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. The style |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:20 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Gee, that's funny |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:22 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. And I think the Honda, the MR-2 and the Miata look like CRAP. |
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Bushy Being Born (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 06:38 PM Response to Reply #20 |
81. Your Mustang is nothing but a Ford Escort |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 09:09 PM Response to Reply #81 |
104. Mustangs are built in America and share almost no parts with an Escort |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:27 AM Response to Reply #104 |
138. Hell, even if it was, big deal. |
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susanna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:18 AM Response to Reply #81 |
128. Uhhh....please provide some semblance of proof that the Mustang... |
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B3Nut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:10 PM Response to Reply #128 |
181. Escorts since ~1990 have been Mazda 323-based |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 07:41 PM Response to Reply #20 |
93. Define "good gas mileage" |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
36. The Pontiac Soltice is beautiful |
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knight_of_the_star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:19 PM Response to Reply #15 |
182. Miata's a little kid's toys |
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Hypatia82 (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 03:42 PM Response to Reply #182 |
206. The size of a car has little to do with how safe it is... |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 04:00 PM Response to Reply #182 |
207. The Miata is also a Ford. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
24. Fords have more "oomph" ? |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:27 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Ugly car. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:30 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Typical reasoning from a Ford fan... |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:30 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. I still think it's an ugly car. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:40 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. Yawn. |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:28 AM Response to Reply #42 |
140. Nope. Couldn't keep up with my slip-clutching. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:45 AM Response to Reply #140 |
150. You're sure? |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:41 AM Response to Reply #32 |
147. It should also be noted.... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:46 AM Response to Reply #147 |
151. Right. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 03:11 AM Response to Reply #151 |
155. I didn't mention the Europeans... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 03:14 AM Response to Reply #155 |
157. And what I'm saying is there's no market for muscle cars in countries |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 03:30 AM Response to Reply #157 |
160. Once again... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 03:50 AM Response to Reply #160 |
163. You just said the Ford GT embarrasses Porches and Ferrari's. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:25 AM Response to Reply #163 |
172. Objective measures.... |
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Hypatia82 (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 03:41 PM Response to Reply #172 |
205. And yet the lowly Viper... |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 08:25 PM Response to Reply #205 |
214. You can say that about most cars.... |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:30 AM Response to Reply #163 |
174. Oh and also.... |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:34 PM Response to Reply #27 |
38. Have you LOOKED at your 1993 Mustang??? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:35 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:43 AM Response to Reply #39 |
148. Obviously, you've never seen me. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:49 AM Response to Reply #148 |
152. You'd "kick my ass"? ROFLMFAO!!! What a he-man. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:36 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. 1993 Mustang is a Ford Escort |
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William Bloode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 07:19 PM Response to Reply #40 |
87. Bullshit. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:17 AM Response to Reply #87 |
132. A FAIRMONT?!?!? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 03:37 AM Response to Reply #132 |
161. These cars all used the same Fox platform: |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:38 AM Response to Reply #38 |
145. I have a 1995 - 12 years with the fall differential. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
44. Mustangs are Escorts with lipstick. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:31 AM Response to Reply #24 |
142. Not really a fair comparison.... |
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Hypatia82 (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:09 PM Response to Reply #24 |
193. Well Mustangs do have... |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 05:05 PM Response to Reply #9 |
52. You're Fucking With Us. Yes? |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 10:14 PM Response to Reply #9 |
108. The Outback is no toy. |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:39 AM Response to Reply #108 |
146. Good! But the profits went overseas. Thanks! |
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kysrsoze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:53 PM Response to Reply #146 |
189. Yeah,the profits went overseas, but what's to stop you from investing |
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Hypatia82 (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:02 PM Response to Reply #146 |
191. Given that almost all Subarus... |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. well if eveyone held to that in the 80s, maybe there would be hope |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Don't count the Germans out |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:30 PM Response to Reply #7 |
33. i say long time because I dont plan on buying a car for several years |
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yourout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 07:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
99. Just got a Jetta TDI.......I love it. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. My 'yotas have plenty of personality. |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:17 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. You will be buying an inferior product, |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. That's your opinion. |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 06:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
74. 12 years ago Ford was a good company and produced a competitive product. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:24 AM Response to Reply #74 |
135. I'd disagree... |
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maveric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
35. Just bought an 06 Mustang GT. Its a fabulous car. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:48 PM Response to Reply #35 |
47. Test drove one~had to slow down to take sharp corners. |
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maveric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 05:07 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. If your going fast enough you always have to slow down on corners. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 05:17 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. I'm saying that the new Mustang corners like the old Mustang. |
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maveric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 06:47 PM Response to Reply #57 |
83. Mine doesnt. Have you driven one? |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:34 AM Response to Reply #57 |
144. Then you don't know how to drive. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:51 AM Response to Reply #144 |
153. I've driven real sports cars, your POS doesn't qualify. |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 08:16 PM Response to Reply #35 |
101. Hmm... |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:29 AM Response to Reply #35 |
141. Beautiful! |
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Hypatia82 (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 04:32 PM Response to Reply #35 |
208. And to think... |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 08:15 PM Response to Reply #208 |
213. They stuck with the live rear axle... |
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Hypatia82 (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:31 PM Response to Reply #213 |
216. Cost restraints? Cost restraints?.... |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:48 PM Response to Reply #3 |
46. I love my Tbird(97) Not bad on gas |
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RebelOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 05:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
60. I would never buy a Japanese car and I try not to buy |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 05:36 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. What a crock of shit. Americans are far worse environmentalists. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 07:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
91. I have driven nothing but Japanese cars for over a decade now |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 11:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
117. I drive a new Mustang ,,,, VRRRRROOOOOM! |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:28 AM Response to Reply #117 |
139. You'd beat the hell out of my car in a drag race. Wanna run some twisties? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 03:12 AM Response to Reply #117 |
156. It's a teenager's muscle car and I refuse to buy a piece of crap because |
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maveric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:26 PM Response to Reply #117 |
195. You have an 06 GT? |
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Booster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:13 AM Response to Reply #3 |
126. And I have only had Japanese cars since 1983 when I bought |
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ohio_liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 04:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
210. I had an 87 Mustang GT |
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TheGunslinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
10. I was a Chrysler guy for 20 years. No more. I love my Mazda! |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 06:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
71. The new RAV 4 - V6 has |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
14. We only buy Toyotas. |
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ny_liberal (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. that's why thousands lose their well paying union jobs :( |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:23 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Thank you. n/t |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 05:27 PM Response to Reply #22 |
62. See Above. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:26 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Untrue, actually.... |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 05:28 PM Response to Reply #25 |
63. True. |
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TheGunslinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:27 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. Camrys and Avalons are made in Kentucky |
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ny_liberal (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 05:59 PM Response to Reply #26 |
68. but profits and R&D money goes back to Japan |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 06:20 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. ...and the Japanese use that money to build more factories... |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 06:29 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Good point! |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 06:31 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. They've been buying OTHER companies to run into the ground... |
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Rosco T. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 08:08 PM Response to Reply #68 |
100. .. and salaries go to Americans. n/m |
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TheGunslinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 11:00 PM Response to Reply #68 |
114. Toyota setup a N.A. HQ in northern KY. |
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Hypatia82 (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:04 PM Response to Reply #68 |
192. Toyota has a major R&D center in the US... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
30. Yet another RW lie that you've bought. Japanese manufacturers pay their |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 05:29 PM Response to Reply #30 |
64. Yep. |
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Lefty48197 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 05:46 PM Response to Reply #30 |
67. Right wing lie? |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 06:32 PM Response to Reply #67 |
77. Your union buddies can build good cars |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:03 AM Response to Reply #67 |
120. It is one of the repuke lies that caught on in the 80's and people |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:54 PM Response to Reply #18 |
49. No, they lose their jobs because they make an inferior product. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:05 AM Response to Reply #49 |
121. I'd like to point out that it isn't the auto workers fault that they build |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 05:26 PM Response to Reply #18 |
61. I am not obligated to purchase crappy and dangerous vehicles. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 07:46 PM Response to Reply #18 |
95. Those union companies need to worry more about a quality product |
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driver8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:43 AM Response to Reply #18 |
178. Give me a fucking break. What, I should buy a piece of shit |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:06 PM Response to Reply #178 |
184. Some of these posts are really pissing me off, since I've owned two |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:33 PM Response to Reply #184 |
185. So what? |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:57 PM Response to Reply #185 |
190. Good for the Malibu, but my response was meant for people who whine |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 08:08 PM Response to Reply #190 |
212. I brought up the Tercel... |
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Nimrod2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
21. Coulda told you that about 8 years ago |
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JackintheGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
29. C'mon now |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
31. If I were buying new I'd probably agree |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
37. Too bad for the American worker. |
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DancingBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
45. Present day "American" car designers have very little imagination |
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texanshatingbush (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 05:05 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Reminds me of the John Stewart segment |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 07:57 PM Response to Reply #45 |
98. Hey DB!! |
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DancingBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 08:21 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. Hiya p2! |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 10:38 PM Response to Reply #102 |
110. Hell my $14K Scion has nicer trim |
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solinvictus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 11:30 PM Response to Reply #110 |
118. Exactly!!! |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 11:39 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. I have an xA too |
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Hypatia82 (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:57 PM Response to Reply #45 |
200. It's not the designers... |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
50. My dad had stock in GM |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
53. Ford OWNS Volvo... |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 03:00 AM Response to Reply #53 |
154. Well, they do have the Ford Focus... |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:43 PM Response to Reply #154 |
199. The Focus is way downmarket, in line with Ford's philosophy |
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NV Whino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
56. For all you Mustang people talking about decent miliage... |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
59. RAV 4??? |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 06:36 PM Response to Reply #59 |
79. I couldn't get behind the wheel. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:15 AM Response to Reply #79 |
127. Apples 2 Apples |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 03:16 AM Response to Reply #127 |
158. Funny you should mention that.... |
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Lefty48197 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
65. My Ford truck can kick your Toyota's ass. |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 06:40 PM Response to Reply #65 |
82. Not any more. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 07:06 PM Response to Reply #65 |
85. Depends. |
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Lefty48197 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 07:33 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. I don't know how you've had such bad luck with Ford trucks |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 10:16 PM Response to Reply #89 |
109. Got to admit. I loved my Ford trucks |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 07:46 PM Response to Reply #65 |
94. Funny story... |
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fishnfla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
70. I heard a GM worker state Toyota's product was better on NPR |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
80. I almost bought one of those |
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Lefty48197 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
88. The quality surveys seem to disagree with you... |
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sakabatou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
96. Do you think this will affect the Japanese economy from it's slump? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
97. Did you see Michael Moore's latest speech on CSPAN? |
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solinvictus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
103. Toyota.. |
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Bombero1956 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 09:54 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Ford Mustang GT for me |
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solinvictus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 11:28 PM Response to Reply #105 |
116. However.. |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 10:08 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. Nice car. |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
112. Hybrids are fine, but a good battery-electric vehicle would be better |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:33 AM Response to Reply #112 |
143. That electricity has to be produced for you to put it into your battery... |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:56 AM Response to Reply #143 |
180. I don't recall saying electricity is 'zero emissions' |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
113. no the japanese are not the winners-we are |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 08:47 AM Response to Reply #113 |
169. You're right. |
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handsignals4theblind (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
123. everbody knows the consumer dances to a different beat as the Producer |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 05:51 AM Response to Original message |
164. What were Ford and GM thinking.... |
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rfkrfk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 06:53 AM Response to Original message |
168. do you deliver pixxa for a living? do you have a bad back? |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 08:50 AM Response to Reply #168 |
170. Quality has it's compensations. |
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rfkrfk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 09:45 AM Response to Reply #170 |
171. what attracts people to high profile {tall} vehicles? |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:17 PM Response to Reply #168 |
194. What the hell is pixxa? |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
177. Best car I ever owned was -- a Pontiac Sunbird SE |
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solinvictus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:46 PM Response to Reply #177 |
186. Oldsmobile.. |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 04:50 PM Response to Reply #186 |
211. So that explains it |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
197. Rav 4 rides like a buckboard |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
203. They're dying a messy and long overdue death. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
209. I like Toyotas and Nissans and Hondas for one thing... |
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Penndems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
215. I ain't buyin' it, friend |
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solinvictus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
217. General Motors Woes... |
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pstokely (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 12:13 AM Response to Reply #217 |
218. The Pontiac Vibe is actually a Toyota |
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socialistrot (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
220. You can thank the UAW for that. |
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