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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:09 AM
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What are your thoughts on Rupperts ... Beyond Bush II ...????
Edited on Tue Oct-21-03 06:09 AM by cthrumatrix
I thought it was an interesting insight into the candidates and a problem that many have discussed.... that both parties are controlled. I won't spoil the read....share what you think.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/102003_beyond_bush_2.html

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There has been ample time to get a closer look at the various "early" candidates seeking to replace George W. Bush in the White House. We emphasize the word "early". A critical look at the Democratic contenders -- especially latecomer Wesley Clark -- reveals past behavior suggesting wolves in sheep's clothing or -- in the case of Dennis Kucinich -- campaign styles that promise little more than feel-good futility as insiders wonder if his campaign is being derailed from within. Yet, all this drama in an electoral environment, where mandatory voting software is hopelessly compromised, is little more than a tempest in a teapot. All told, it looks as if there is nothing much going on that gives grounds for enthusiasm or hope--especially as one focuses only on the "electoral" process.

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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:19 AM
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1. Why candidates will not discuss most of these issues...?
DEMOCRATIC PARTY DUPLICITY - LOOKING AT THE CANDIDATES

There are thus two major tests for a Democratic Party presidential challenger from this perspective. One: Does the candidate address the issues that are really important? And two: Is it possible to get the candidate into office? Every major Democratic challenger had made it a point to say that not only will they continue to support the war on terror (war for oil), they will do it better than Bush has.

While so many people are getting excited about one candidate or another, FTW has remained firm. We will not endorse any candidate who does not address all of our issues. These include:

- Peak Oil and Gas
- US Government Complicity in 9/11
- The Criminal Fabrication of Intelligence Justifying the Iraqi Invasion
- More Than $3.3 Trillion in Taxpayer Money Stolen From the US Treasury
- Repeal of the Patriot Act, Mandatory Vaccination Laws, and Protection of Civil Liberties
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birdman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 07:26 AM
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2. Ruppert is a conspiratorial mental-case
Kucinich campaign being derailed from within ?
Yeah, and the Detroit Tigers would be in the World
Series if the umpires hadn't rigged things against them.

The Weekly World News is more credible.

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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 08:06 AM
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4. You know as well as I do that although Ruppert repeats a lot of disinfo,
Edited on Tue Oct-21-03 08:08 AM by stickdog
his overall article is closer to the truth than almost anything else that's been publicly published this month.

But let me guess, birdman. Bush, Clark and Kerry are your three favorite candidates, right?

Peak oil is just a chimera, right?

There are no elites who meet together to plan anything, right?

9/11 happened exactly as the FBI told us two days later, right?

Trillions never disappeared from the US Treasury, right?

The Patriot Act is for our own good, right?

Voting fraud-made-easy machines are great, right?

The media is "liberal," right?
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birdman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 08:09 AM
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5. Actually
I like Dean.



That Ruppert. He knows where the strawberries are buried.



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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 07:34 AM
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3. I had a hard time sleeping
Edited on Tue Oct-21-03 07:35 AM by dusty64
last night after reading this, so many things to think about. I believe a lot of what he writes are true, some things don't connect however. I know our shadow government is involved in the drug trade, but what can really be gained from this and what is the money used for? His belief that ALL candidates are evil, hmmmmmm. I know you have to get somewhat tainted to get anywhere in Washington, but if things are that bad then what. Should we throw our hands up and surrender or swallow a gun barrel. He even thinks Carter is evil, how?

Why if oil is running out ruin everything to grub a few more $$$$$, I know I know that is the corporate way. What can possibly be done to reverse this awful future, the only thing I DO know is chimp has got to go. Hopefully the next will address what needs to be done for the good of our country and the planet. I simply can not believe that everyone and everything is under the control of whatever sinister forces control the world, but I do think its time to wrest back power from corporations that shouldn't be enjoying ANY rights at all. They are business entities NOT people, until this happens our system will continue to be corrupted beyond repair. He is right on the money about the "voting" machines, something has GOT to be done about this immediately and the silence of the oppositions has me wondering. Certainly they all can't be ignorant or paid for, can they?
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 10:05 AM
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6. Narco Dollars for Beginners by Catherine Austin Fitts.
Dusty64 had a question:
I know our shadow government is involved in the drug trade, but what can really be gained from this and what is the money used for?

Take a look at a series of articles published at www.narconews.com . The articles are by Catherine Austing Fitts. According to the blurb on her at Narco News.

Catherine Austin Fitts is a former managing director and member of the board of directors of Dillon Read & Co, Inc, a former Assistant Secretary of Housing-Federal Housing Commissioner in the first Bush Administration, and the former President of The Hamilton Securities Group, Inc. She is the President of Solari, Inc, an investment advisory firm. Solari provides risk management services to investors through Sanders Research Associates in London.

Ms Fitts ran afoul of the drug trade while trying to do her job and improve housing and living conditions for ordinary Americans when she was Assistant Secretary of Housing. This led to her investigating the drug trade and the economic factors behind it, leading her to conclude that the drug war can't be won without major changes to our current economic system. (Her own web site is www.solari.com )

In the snips below you will see a reference to a "Solari Index." This is a concept Fitts came up with to measure the living conditions in a neighborhood. The higher the solari index, the safer the neighborhood. As the drug trade moves in the solari index drops. As she describes it:

When I was a child growing up in the 1950's at 48th and Larchwood in West Philadelphia, the Solari Index was 100 percent. It was unthinkable that a child was not safe running up to the stores on Spruce Street for a popsicle and some pin ball. The Dow Jones was about 500, the Solari Index was 100 percent and our debt per person was very low. Of course I did not think about it that way at the time. All I knew was that life on the street with my buddies was sweet.


Here's a snip from the first article "Narco Dollars for Beginners Part I."

In late June 1999, numerous news services, including Associated Press, reported that Richard Grasso, Chairman of the New York Stock Exchange flew to Colombia to meet with a spokesperson for Raul Reyes of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Columbia (FARC), the supposed "narco terrorists" with whom we are now at war.

The purpose of the trip was "to bring a message of cooperation from U.S. financial services" and to discuss foreign investment and the future role of U.S. businesses in Colombia.

Some reading in between the lines said to me that Grasso's mission related to the continued circulation of cocaine capital through the US financial system. FARC, the Colombian rebels, were circulating their profits back into local development without the assistance of the American banking and investment system. Worse yet for the outlook for the US stock market's strength from $500 billion - $1 trillion in annual money laundering - FARC was calling for the decriminalization of cocaine.

To understand the threat of decriminalization of the drug trade, just go back to your Sam and Dave estimate and recalculate the numbers given what decriminalization does to drive BIG PERCENT back to SLIM PERCENT and what that means to Wall Street and Washington's cash flows. No narco dollars, no reinvestment into the stock markets, no campaign contributions.
(my emphasis /jc)


Narco Dollars for Beginners Part I


Here's a snip from Part II

The "pop" is a word I learned on Wall Street to describe the multiple of income at which a stock trades. So if a stock like PepsiCo trades at 20 times it's income, that means for every $100,000 of income it makes, it's stock goes up $2 million. The company may make $100,000, but its "pop" is $2 million. Folks make money in the stock market from the stock going up. On Wall Street, it's all about "pop."

The people who own a corporation make money on the stock going up. So a company has investors, with the most powerful investors typically being large institutions who are typically represented on the board of the company. The board is the group of people who decides what goes. The senior management officials who run the company day to day are also on the board. Most of the money they make comes from stock options that they get to encourage them to get the stock to go up for the investors. That means that what everyone who runs the company wants is for the stock to go up. The way to do that is to increase net income or to increase the multiple at which the stock trades.

<snip>

So if I have a company that has a $100,000 of income and a stock trading at 20 times earnings, if I can find a way to run $100,000 of narcotics sales by a few teenagers in West Philadelphia through my financial statements, I can get my stock market value to go up from $2 million to $4 million. I can double my "pop." That is a quick $2 million profit from putting a few teenagers to work driving the Solari Index down in their neighborhood. Bottom line, I can make a lot of quick money on the stock going up and the Solari Index going down

<snip>

Well, if the Department of Justice is correct about $500 billion-to-1 trillion of annual money laundering in the US, then about $20-40 billion should move annually through the Philadelphia Federal Reserve District.



Part II - The Narco Money Map

Part III - Drugs as Currency
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 10:17 AM
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7. where mandatory voting software is hopelessly compromised,
It seems to me like he's saying "give it up" none of you stand a chance. The fix is in. Voting software is hopelessly compromised.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 10:58 AM
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8. What is a solution....disclosure...disclosure....2004
We have the forum...we have the candidates who "say" they will carry this torch...

I haven't made a decision on a candidate...but if Dean makes "them" nervous and can carry this mantra...and mean it...then so be it.
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 11:48 AM
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9. I read this morning
and most of everything he said truly resonated with me. Now that I've converted my folks and many of my co-workers over to the left and against *jr. I am asked consistently who I really like as a Dem Candidate. Early on I said Kerry and Clark were worrisome because of their ties to the Bush's. Kerry turned me off quite a bit on Hardball last night too - I am going to be against any candidate who condones the war with Iraq and who will do nothing to stop it and get us out. I think a lot of what Ruppert is saying is true - although I don't think any candidate would be successful in addressing 9/11 this early in the race. Graham would have been the one to do that, and he didn't before getting out. Based on this article - I still support Kucinich and I feel awhole lot better about Dean. Lieberman and Gebharts are no's right out of the gate. It encouraging that he sees the power elite taking down *Bush.

He is obviously no fan of Clinton either - but I'll take a million Clinton's over any Bush or Repubs any day of the week.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 12:30 PM
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10. keep spreading the word....extra kick for PM crowd
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