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Celeborn Skywalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:03 PM Original message |
Is there a difference between Intelligent Design and Creationism? |
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CottonBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
1. The names. That's all. n/t |
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MnFats (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:07 PM Original message |
incredibly, 'intelligent design' is LESS Specific than ... |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
2. Yes, the spelling of the names and nothing else. n/t |
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leeroysphitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
3. A rose by a different name is all... n/t |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
4. Yes, "Intelligent Design" is deceptively named. |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
5. No. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. LOL - great minds and all (re: my post below)! -eom |
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sharp_stick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
6. Sure |
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wryter2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
30. Welcome to DU |
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Loonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:06 PM Original message |
Somewhat |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
13. ??? Intelligent Design Does NOT Necessarily Require Discussion Of Designer |
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Loonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. Nope |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. There need not be a "Designer". Any more than Natural Selection Requires |
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Loonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:42 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. It's claptrap |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 02:53 PM Response to Reply #34 |
53. That implies the design is not the result of a conscious effort; |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 04:33 PM Response to Reply #53 |
66. I've never heard of "random design". |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 04:40 AM Response to Reply #66 |
84. i'd think that intelligent design requires intelligence. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 02:18 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Then they might as well call it Dumbass Fairy Godfather Design. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 04:13 PM Response to Reply #34 |
62. "Nature is perfectly capable of having a capacity for Design." |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:16 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. what is a scientific fundamentalist again? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:20 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. She never answered us the last time we asked. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:37 PM Response to Reply #31 |
43. I Don't Usually Post More Than Once Or Twice In These Circlejerks |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:43 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. I can see why. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 10:07 PM Response to Reply #46 |
71. Not having anything to back up unproven assertions usually does that. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 10:15 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Hi Zhade! |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 10:25 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. You're too kind. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 10:44 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Yeah, we're just evil science-worshipers, what do we know? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 12:07 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. That would be awesome! |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 12:19 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. *snort! |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 12:20 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Worst. Star Trek Movie. EVER. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 12:33 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Yeah, but |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 12:33 AM Response to Reply #43 |
81. Wow, you really nailed the damn Science Fundamentalists w/that one! |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:36 PM Response to Reply #26 |
42. someone who blindly adhers to Materialism despite any evidence that |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:41 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. What is the evidence that Physical Matter is not all there is? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 04:12 PM Response to Reply #44 |
61. Of course not. Cryingshame NEVER supports that argument. |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:53 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. doesn't this go back to the debate about whether conciousness |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 04:32 PM Response to Reply #26 |
65. A distraction from the fact that CS has no evidence to offer. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 03:01 PM Response to Reply #13 |
55. Well, they've got a serious branding problem them. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
7. Yes, Intelligent Design Simply Posits Nature Having An Inherent Capacity |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Excuse? Then Please Explain How Consciousness Can Evolve From Physical |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
33. Do you have an example of a consciousness |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:35 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. Information exists independently from Matter. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:46 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. What evidence is there that information exists independently... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:54 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. You do realize that "Nature" is not sentient, don't you? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 02:46 PM Response to Reply #41 |
52. Information is not consciousness. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 04:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
67. Again, prove it. If you can. |
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Ladyhawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 11:03 PM Response to Reply #67 |
75. Have fun, Zhade. Ladyhawk is sitting this one out! |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 12:08 AM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Smart move! |
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Ladyhawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 09:11 PM Response to Reply #77 |
87. I asked for evidence once and never came back because I know |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 04:18 PM Response to Reply #17 |
64. Possible, eh? Finally moving the goalposts, then? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Is there an ID group that's pushing that spin on the theory? |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:13 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. Actually, there's a website where theorists post their papers for peer |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:32 PM Response to Reply #21 |
39. What does "Scientific Fundamentalist" mean? |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 03:05 PM Response to Reply #21 |
56. I like their new rule... |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 03:07 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Oh, this one's even better... |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 04:03 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. You're kidding me! |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 06:57 PM Response to Reply #60 |
69. Sadly, I'm not. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 04:39 PM Response to Reply #21 |
68. That's hardly unbiased evidence. |
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Loonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:56 PM Response to Reply #14 |
51. Another feint |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 03:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
57. That's true. Nature does indeed manifest intelligence. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 03:22 PM Response to Reply #7 |
59. What a load! And you would force this opinion on kids that are already |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 04:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
63. Your divergent personal definition posits that, yes. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 12:37 AM Response to Reply #7 |
82. Oh, baloney. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
8. Only one pig has lipstick. -eom |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
9. Sort of. |
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Hobarticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
12. Putting 'intelligent' in a name makes you smarter if you believe, y'see |
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Loonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
15. I used the "Billy Madison" line while deriding an ID'er, once |
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BOSSHOG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
16. Its a Trojan Horse |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 02:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
54. very poorly disguised, |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
18. Is there a difference between ID and willful stupidity? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:17 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. "Willful stupidity" ! |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
19. Same thing |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
20. From my understanding |
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maine_raptor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
22. One very simple difference |
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A Simple Game (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:29 PM Response to Reply #22 |
36. That got a great big smile out of me. Thanks. n/t |
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Demit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
23. "Creationism" polled badly. But I don't think Intelligent Design is any |
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TheFarseer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
25. yes, there is a big difference |
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maine_raptor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:21 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. You are basically right |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:25 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. I think you nailed it - Is Nature herself intelligent- whatever that means |
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wryter2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
27. It's a bit more subtle |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
28. Same people in new clothes |
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nookiemonster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
37. No. Simple semantics. |
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TallahasseeGrannie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
38. Answering your question seriously |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
40. "Intelligent" design: |
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RedstDem (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
48. God Created The Conditions For Intelligent Design To Evolve |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
70. About the same as the difference between a lie and an untruth. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 02:45 AM Response to Original message |
83. a bubblin' crock of poo, and a bubblin' crock of poo carefully disguised |
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PowerToThePeople (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
86. They are both cow dung. n/t |
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