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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:51 AM
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New Orleans Damage Report (from various sources) (LEVEE BREACHES!)
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 10:08 AM by Roland99
three breaches now....two on the lakeside...one on the mississsipi side...

miss side is ward 9 french quarter...6 to 8 feet of water...

Jefferson parish water supply breached ...no safe drinking water...

Gulfport..ships are crashing into buidling downtown...

Dome...the fabric is shredding badly.,,many more holes now...but structure is expected to hold...people will get wet and may be miserabel but will survive...

multiple building collapes in NO..many trapped and calling into 911 for help but emergenct personnel have to wait for storm to pass to tge to them...

NO sustained wind of 112 reported...gust to 132.....


Here are some more updates


As per TWC...highest surge hitting now...

jus coming across the wires.some oil rigs have remote sensor...according to these reports...they have lost comm link with 26 oil rigs - presumed lost..and 24 more are badly listing...

3 pumping stations have failed
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TheFriar Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:54 AM
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1. Gimme earthquakes anytime...
funny how that dome is blowing away.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:57 AM
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5. "Funny" is not a word I would choose right now. n/t
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TheFriar Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:03 AM
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13. wrong word
By funny I meant suspicious.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:57 AM
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Last report the Dome was structurally sound and just some roof leaks
where there were some vents on the top.

How do you get it's blowing away?

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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:06 AM
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80. Here's a photo...
the roof is stripping away...

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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 02:42 PM
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140. It's the outer covering. The roof itself is still there.
The white covering, outer layer, is what has been stripped.

There are some holes in the roof, granted.

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:57 AM
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6. I'm With You On The Earthquake Thing !!! - Welcome To DU TheFriar !!!
:bounce::hi::bounce:

Glad ta have ya aboard!

:hi:
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TheFriar Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:02 AM
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10. Welcome back you mean :)
Hi all. I promise to be good this time.

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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:15 AM
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23. Welcome to DU!
And I agree. I'll take a shaker any time.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:47 AM
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66. The "nice" thing about earthquakes
is you don't have all the awful anticipation waiting for them to strike and wondering how bad they'll be. By the time you get scared, they're over with and you're either alive or you're not.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:08 AM
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82. Amen to that.
:toast: :smoke:
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:25 AM
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90. OTOH, in some partz of the whirld..
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 11:38 AM by yowzayowzayowza
they actually build to endure larger typhoons than ANY Atlantic hurricane. With such preparations, even a super-typhoon can be fun. I actually went out in the eye of a super-typhoon and chucked a frisbee around... REALLY strange experience.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 05:33 PM
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152. New Orleans is a poor city and the Bush Admin had cut their hurricane
protection fundting. Several threads on Greatest about this now.

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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:28 AM
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95. AND
it's not WET.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:52 AM
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112. Unless liquifaction occurs
When I lived in the San Fernando Valley we were warned about the threat of liquifaction. In sandy areas water can literally percolate up through the ground during a quake and destabilize everything sitting on top of it. Gets a bit like quicksand I imagine. Sounded scary but it never happened around me.
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:54 PM
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125. I disagree. With a hurricane you have time to get out.
An earthquake could swallow you up without warning.

There's no place on Earth safe from Mother Nature. And no pleasant natural disasters.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 01:04 PM
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131. It's why I put "nice" in quotes...
:). I do think the anticipation, though, must have to be one of the worst parts of hurricanes. Granted, it gives you time to get out, but the worry and concern while you're away must be horribly nerve-wracking. I've never been through one myself, but have ridden out many earthquakes (although, granted, none catastrophic) ... I wouldn't trade places with anybody on the Gulf Coast or Florida.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #125
150. I'm with you. Native Floridian living in California who prefers hurricanes
over quakes ANY DAY.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 05:35 PM
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153. I agree - the forecast days ahead and the fear are GOOD - they protect
people. Earthquakes don't give this specific warning - you know they're coming eventually but not when - and tsnunamis move so quickly, there is very little warning.

There was enough warning here to save lives.
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Justyce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:54 AM
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2. Thanks for the update -- I'm not
able to watch the news right now, so I definitely appreciate it. It's a shame, but I always come here rather than news sites to get the latest *accurate* news... ;)
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:55 AM
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3. heh...same here!
:)
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:35 AM
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47. I see the storm is going to pass right over
Louisville. Hope you are not near a stream, or the Ohio.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:05 PM
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117. I'm fine where I'm at (plus I'm in a 2nd floor apt)
We've had a fair amount of rain in the last 24 hours to soften the ground up after the longest drought since 1988 (which came after a really long wet period)

It's been a spring/summer of extremes for us
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 03:39 PM
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141. It's been rather damp here too.
Lexington is high and dry, too dry. The rain today should make the expected deluge soak in better.


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subchicagogal Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:56 AM
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4. I second the thanks!
I am at work and I just keep refreshing to get the latest updates! Thanks much!
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:57 AM
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7. thanks for posting this... just woke up from 4 hours of the most
nightmarish sleep i've ever had. i needed a basic summary of info,

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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:30 AM
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41. You, too?
Dreamed weird shit all night...Anderson Cooper even invaded my dreams...Saw icebergs in the bay water of coastal CA in aftermath of a mega-storm...ice crashing from the coastal cliffs, snowflakes as large as dinnerplates, and yet, it was also a mix of rain and the usual light coastal fog...could be have been watching TOO much news...
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:00 AM
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8. I'd found the info on another site but there wasn't a link yet..link here:
http://www.weatherunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=83&tstamp=200508&allcomments=1


Note this entry:

one has a partial roof collapse..hes in the hallway under a matress after i told him to go there...he says the whole house is shacking...his first floor is flooded...he is the one who called me a chicken for leaving...
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:02 AM
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9. This won't help gas/oil prices
jus coming across the wires.some oil rigs have remote sensor...according to these reports...they have lost comm link with 26 oil rigs - presumed lost..and 24 more are badly listing...
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:03 AM
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11. TWC Reports
Wide spread flooding especially around St. Bernard Parish. Also a lot of structural damage and people calling 911 for help.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:03 AM
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12. Thanks...I wonder how Port Fourchon made out...
That's where the supertankers offload the oil...
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eyepaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 01:15 PM
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133. I used to fly out of Fourchon to the offshore oilrigs
It looked like it was about one foot above sea level for the most part. It was on the less pummeling side of the eye--but still must've gotten clobbered. I remember the Air Logistics heliport was about 300 feet from the ocean.

If anybody stayed there, wooooooooooooooooo that must've been terrible.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:03 AM
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14. Those of us on military bases in Europe are thinking of you
and hoping ya'll stay safe and dry.
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:04 AM
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15. Large apartment building in NOLA collapses.
No other info yet.

Confirmed Jefferson Parish drinking water compromised.
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:05 AM
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17. Manhattan Blvd. and it's an Apt. Complex collapse. nt
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:15 AM
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22. fuck fuck fuck fuck nt
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:05 AM
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16. Holy @#$%$# SH*T!!
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 10:09 AM by Roland99
Posted By: UFGATORDON at 3:01 PM GMT on August 29, 2005.
LA governor says water rising 1 ft per hour in NO. Major breeching of levees

Posted By: Orleans77 at 3:01 PM GMT on August 29, 2005.
also the refinery in NO is sustaining serious damage while the refinery in Baton Rogue is sustaining light to moderate damage...these tow refineries refine 1 million barrels a day of oil into gas...

the offshore terminal where 25% of oil comes into the US is also sustaingin serious damage


Posted By: Orleans77 at 3:03 PM GMT on August 29, 2005.
just talked to my friend...water is coming on to the second floor where he is..hes is panicked...rightfully so..has no roof so has nowhere to go...jesus
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:11 AM
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20. fuck....i let myself get optimistic, it ain't lookin good though
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:16 AM
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24. The backside of this eyewall is packing a punch
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:18 AM
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25. Oh my, just saw on WKRG coverage
Water is lapping just a few feet below traffic lights and the first floor of a hotel is completely under water.
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:09 AM
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18. Live feed - two videos
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:10 AM
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19. Several reports of water rising quickly as eyewall is crossing the rivers.
Hattisburg is looking really bad. Slidel isn't fairing well. Boats on the highway and the storm surge is rising.

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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:12 AM
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21. "eyewall is crossing the rivers" i.e. it's only half over. :(
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:19 AM
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26. Earthquake people - how can you make that choice?
At least with a hurricane you get a warning. In a big earthquake there's no warning and no where to go. Why would you choose that over hurricanes?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:25 AM
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29. There's no "earthquake season"
That's how. I don't understand how anybody would choose to live through tornado and hurricane seasons, year after year after year.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:57 AM
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74. I agree, but considering your handle that's funny!
:hi:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:40 AM
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100. lol, yeah, but I live in Oregon
On the coast. No hurricane season here! :)
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 02:03 PM
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137. Well, that explains it! :-)
I love Oregon btw. I'd much rather be on the beach there than in tornado alley here. :-(
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 02:25 PM
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139. I live through tornado season every year.
It's your home and it's hard to leave your home.
Also look at it this way-no matter where you go something could happen(tornado, earthquake, hurricane, typhoons, blizzards, floods, drought, ice storms). You can't run away from nature.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:58 AM
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75. Because the law of averages works for you in earthquakes
Unless you are close or on the epicenter, you get mostly cracks in stucco, and maybe some structural damage, but not that many injuries or death.. and an earthqquake is FAST..you often don't realize it until you go "whoa. did you feel that"..

You tie things down and safety strap water heaters & the like, and just "know" that it's unliekly that the earth will heave under YOUR house.. but when you have a 300 mile wide monster headed your way, you either have to leave (and you have some time to decide that) or you roll the dice.

Building codes have made buildings safer too..

Earthquakes take that decision away from you.. and earthquakes can and do happen in more places than Calif..

Tornadoes are capricious things.. they hop and skip and even though you are "in the path", your house can get creamed and the next door neighbor's totally unscathed..it pays to have a basement in tornado-land..

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petite marmotte Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 05:51 PM
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156. Earthquake vs Hurricane - Flip a Coin
Lived in SF Bay area for years and years, lots of quakes, big and small. Learned to live with it - hold your breath and wait to see if the shaking stops or make your way to a doorway.

Moved to WNC two years ago. Last year got some battered with remnants of Florida hurricanes. Reservoirs here overflowed, flooding, mud slides, havoc.

If I compare having no warning, with having time to fret about impending doom, I don't think there's that much difference. Disaster is disaster, no matter what kind. Tsunami, quake, tornado, hurricane. It's all uninvited.

Oh, and the other night we had a 3.8 earthquake in Asheville. It was eerily familiar, but I wasn't panicked at all...I knew the drill.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:23 AM
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27. WDSU and WWL Feeds down...Causeway cam down.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:25 AM
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30. CNNI is saying NO has seen the worst of Katrina
What do you think? Is the worst over for NO as far as the hurricane goes (not talking about after-effects)?
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:46 AM
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64. CNN only reports what their safely ensconced reporters can see.
The news here is faster better and more accurate than what i see on the TV!
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:54 AM
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72. I haven't heard of any deaths yet, which is fantastic
considering that not everyone had evacuated.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:56 AM
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73. You haven't heard it because rescue crews can't go out
Neither can patrols or anybody for that matter.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #73
78. good point
I'm still high on CNNI's euphoria, unrealistic as it may be.
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:26 AM
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32. I'm watching WWL
It's working ok for me. Can't get on DSu anymore though.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:27 AM
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35. I guess if you can get it to load.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:24 AM
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28. CNN - BREAKING NEWS - city under 5 to 6 feet of water after pumps fail
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 10:25 AM by jsamuel
BREAKING NEWS

Lower 9th Ward of New Orleans, on east side of city, under 5 to 6 feet of water after pumps fail, mayor says. Details soon.

Water rising 1ft per hour
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:26 AM
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34. How can the pumps fail when the city depends on them for its existence?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:36 AM
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49. Where would they pump the water ?
Into Lake Pontchartrain?
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:37 AM
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51. The pumps failed after the first 20 minutes, didn't they?
Which means, NO doesn't have much of a chance whether the eye hits it or not.
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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:41 AM
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56. Only parts
The majority of NO will be fine; it DOES have a chance. That said, my parents house is in 9th Ward...
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:46 AM
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65. Glad to hear it.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:08 AM
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81. I was just reading the wiki about NO
The reason so much of the city is now below sea level is because of those pumps according to the article. First the pumps allowed construction in areas that would have flooded in the past, second, the water table was reduced and the city sank to some degree.

The pumps were built in the early 1900's.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 05:43 PM
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155. They are INSIDE the city, and loss of power or flooding will stop them
New Orleans is like a big bowl surrounded on three sides by water. The pumps are inside the bowl, so they are vulnerable. Normally they run all the time to keep the city dry - it's below sea level. Once the water gets in past the rim of the blow - the levees - there's no way to get it out quickly.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:27 AM
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37. Isn't Ninth Ward where the projects are located?
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 10:28 AM by goclark
I think they are called the Desour Projects?

Prayers for everyone.

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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:35 AM
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48. Wiki article about 9th Ward
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9th_Ward

The 9th ward is a highly distinctive region in New Orleans, LA that is located in the eastern portion of the city. It is bounded by the industrial canal on the westernmost side and Lake Pontchartrain in the north. Some notable landmarks in this region include the Lakefront airport and Bally's casino, arguably made famous by the Hot Boys music video "We On fire". Since then, it has become commonplace for a multitude of different artists to mention the 9th ward in their songs. The 9th ward is commonly confused with a portion of the city that is technically downtown--although east of the central business district--that is commonly called the Lower 9th ward, and is south of the "Upper 9th ward", or simply 9th Ward. For city planning purposes, the majority of the 9th ward is referred to as the ninth planning district of New Orleans, though this area also includes planning districts 10 and 11 (not to be confused with the 10th and 11th wards.)<1> A map of the region that constitutes the 9th ward can be found here: <2>. The territory officially became part of New Orleans in 1852 when a large portion of Jefferson Parish called the city of Lafayette (not to be confused with the current city of Lafayette, Louisiana,) which included several other wards, became part of the newly unified city of New Orleans.
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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:39 AM
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53. Some are
I was born and lived for a time in the St Bernard Projects...
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:25 AM
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31. Not NO but reports from Gulfport, MS have flood waters 10 feet deep.
From TWC.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:26 AM
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33. This Superdome photo does not look good.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:27 AM
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36. Got any photos of the nuke plant?
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:33 AM
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44. Haven't seen one yet. nt
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:40 AM
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54. CNNI is painting a very cheery picture
blue skies in some places, etc. They make it sound as though it's about over, not as big as thought, the eye broke up, not too big a deal.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:42 AM
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57. The eye has not broken up
It's still a CAT 3 for crying out loud.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:28 AM
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38. oh geez!
where's that from? that is freaking scary! Oh those poor babies in there!
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:34 AM
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46. Here
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:42 AM
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103. Is it in bad taste to inject a little humor into the madness?
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 11:44 AM by SaveAmerica
The dome picture is not there anymore but this one is:

http://www.repubblica.it/interstitial/interstitial375754.html

(I hope it's OK because my stomach has been in knots since last night and it felt good to laugh at this guy!)

Sorry that link doesn't take you to the picture, go to your original link and check his picture out on their web page.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:28 AM
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39. Ouch
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:29 AM
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40. Wow! That looks bad!
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Tin Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:36 AM
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50. foam insulation and fabric laminate covering steel plates
I think the photo shows just the fabric and foam insulation being peeled away - the real structure of the roof (steel plates over steel truss) is still intact (I think).
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:47 AM
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67. you're right
looks pretty bad, but so far so good. Looks worse on the outside than the inside shots I saw on another thread.:shrug:
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:32 AM
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42. WDSU feed is back...showing an SUV driving around in the wind/rain
video from inside the SUV
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:32 AM
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43. I'm only getting audio and all I hear is wind
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:34 AM
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45. Sometimes it takes several seconds for video to catch up
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 10:34 AM by Roland99
it was doing that to me last night


Sometimes I would stop/restart it.
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:41 AM
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55. Are they in New Orleans? n/t
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:42 AM
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58. Looks like it...saw signs for I-10
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:43 AM
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60. thanks. they just drove by two people WALKING
carrying garbage bags - out in this.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:46 AM
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63. ARGH...feed is down
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:38 AM
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52. Amazing pics from Italian news website >
As posted in LBN thread by Citizen Jane:

News website Repubblica: http://www.repubblica.it/





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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:44 AM
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61. OMG, look at that
The people of N.O. are brave souls. I'm telling ya, I would be running around in circles screaming like a banshee.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:42 AM
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59. A couple more updates:
Posted By: BocaBabe at 3:38 PM GMT on August 29, 2005.
<<
Karen Swensen says there is 3 feet of water downtown near the Hyatt. She reports several office windows coming out whole from buildings.>>


Posted By: OHGamer at 3:34 PM GMT on August 29, 2005.
Jim Cantore's position at the Army retirement home flooded up - it was supposedly at +27 above sea level and 1/2 mile in from the beaches, and he's saying the entire first floor is flooded out.

Would that make a storm surge of +35 feet or so? If so, good Lord.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:45 AM
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62. Jim Cantore is reporting flood waters 10 feet deep around him.
and yes supposedly they are 27 feet above sea level. He was watching cars and dumpsters float by earlier.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:48 AM
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68. He said they are on the second floor...and a bit from the beach!
:scared:
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:26 AM
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93. Cantore and crew are out of their minds.
They seem to live for this stuff and will probably die for it as well.

I suppose an end to global climate change would be bad for ratings.
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:51 AM
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70. Isn't Cantore in Gulfport, MS?
n/t
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:52 AM
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71. Yes n/t
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:48 AM
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69. Well, I'm lucky to be able to go home for lunch. Can't say same for N.O.
:(
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:59 AM
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76. The Super Dome folks are lucky it wan't a direct hit
Doesn't sound like a very safe place to evacuate to during a hurricane, unless you live in a cardboard box.
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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:14 AM
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86. Seems to have held up pretty good thus far...
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:59 AM
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77. I heard "glass is raining down" on downtown NO.
:scared:
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bee Donating Member (894 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:03 AM
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79. an update from AP
Aug 29, 11:37 AM EDT

Hurricane Katrina Rips La., Miss. Coasts

By ADAM NOSSITER
Associated Press Writer





NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- Hurricane Katrina plowed into this below-sea-level city Monday with howling, 145-mph winds and blinding rain that flooded some homes to the ceilings and peeled away part of the roof of the Superdome, where thousands of people had taken shelter.

(snip)

But National Hurricane Center Director Max Mayfield warned that New Orleans would be pounded throughout the day and that Katrina's potential 15-foot storm surge, down from a feared 28 feet, was still substantial enough to cause extensive flooding.

"I'm not doing too good right now," Chris Robinson said via cellphone from his home east of the city's downtown. "The water's rising pretty fast. I got a hammer and an ax and a crowbar, but I'm holding off on breaking through the roof until the last minute. Tell someone to come get me please. I want to live."

:cry:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/H/HURRICANE_KATRINA?SITE=OHALL&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&SECTION=HOME

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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:10 AM
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84. That makes it all too tragic!
How many others are there without even those tools...:cry:
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:09 AM
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83. I've never been to Gulfport, MS. Is (was?) it a tourist town?
It sounds like it is already a disaster area.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:48 AM
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108. Just really coming back after Camille
In the last 10 years or so. I was down there in '75 and it was just a hole. I was surprised when my uncles said it had been a vacation spot before Camille. Feel bad for them, going through this again when they were just really starting to fully recover.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:14 AM
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85. Mayor Nagin interview on TWC now
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 11:14 AM by geomon666
Confirms reports of levees failing and or being over taken. Widespread reports of damage all over the city.

Superdome is structurally sound. Half of the soft outer roof has been blown off.

Had to evacuate City Hall because the building was swaying too much, now staying in a hotel.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:17 AM
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87. TWC Reports an apartment building has collapsed
with people inside.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:18 AM
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88. Apt. bldg. collapse in St. Bernard (NO suburb), with PEOPLE INSIDE
Please, let them be safe. :cry::cry::cry:
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bee Donating Member (894 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:24 AM
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89. msnbc (tv) just reported
That in a LA, (I didnt catch which area specifically)... water has now topped the roofs of 1 story houses. only 80% of people in that area evacuated... they were said to be taking refuge in their attics, now completely under water...

:cry:
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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:26 AM
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92. Probably 8th or 9th ward
My parent's house is in 9th ward...
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bee Donating Member (894 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:30 AM
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97. good god.
I cant even imaging what they / you are going through. Please tell me they are safe.
:scared:
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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:34 AM
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99. They are. Dad is smart.
They left on Friday--he never takes chances--they are with my sisters in Austin, Tx.
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bee Donating Member (894 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:44 AM
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104. thankfully!!!
though the loss of their home is likely... I hear ward 9 is hardest hit... at least they/you will not lose loved ones. I feel for all the people who have nowhere else to go.

:cry:
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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:45 AM
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105. Houses can be rebuilt
They took photo albums, Mom's wedding dress, etc. with them.
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bee Donating Member (894 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:02 PM
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115. very smart to take whats most important.
what few things cannot be replaced. Hopefully the insurance companies will be able to handle this payout without going bankrupt. That could devistate a lot of people down there.
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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:27 PM
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120. They have me...
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:36 PM
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122. And a welcome to DU to you, too, MildyRules
:hi:
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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:37 PM
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123. Danke!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:40 PM
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124. Bitte
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:36 PM
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121. Welcome to DU, bee!
:hi:
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:26 AM
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91. CNN- finally hear directly from FEMA official that
there is significant structural damage in St. Bernard Parish. That there are people asking for rescues. Chad Meyer and Daryn Kagan looked stunned. CNN should be ashamed...
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:28 AM
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96. why should CNN be ashamed? i am not watching (no tv)
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:33 AM
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98. CNN: the worst has passed NO...
Secondly, they have affiliate access better than here and they only report on wind strength. Why not show the affiliate coverage rather than focus on their weather map. next why not read the rports on air as the TWC does? Second why is Anderson Cooper on a bridge showing us how hard the wind is blowing rather than listening and gathering reports of levee's breaking and water being contaminated, gathering information that helps people - it is not CNN's finest hour so to speak.

That might have been more than you wanted to know - but CNN really ticked me off!
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:41 AM
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102. I haven't head any of that on CNN or MSNBC.
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Drewskie Donating Member (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 05:36 PM
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154. ...
Yea it did... They had predicted 20 feet of water over the entire city... Not just homes east of the downtown. All because the storm veared slightly east. Flooding would have been way worse then the wind damage.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:26 AM
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94. NO produces 25% of US oil?
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 12:25 PM by lebkuchen
Did I hear that correctly?

I'd better head to the BX and buy gas coupons, locking in the price for 2006 before is skyrockets.

On edit: just bought myself 800 liters of gasoline at $538.72, so I've got gas prices locked in through 2006.

Anyone living on a military base, the price goes up 20 cents on Sept. 1, and is sure to only head further up in the future. Go get your gas coupons!

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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:46 AM
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107. 15 to 12 % of U.S. oil comes from offshore platforms
which is then piped on shore all across the state. A lot of the pipeline gathering facilities are southeast of New Orleans in the marsh and there is going to be a lot of damage.

Also, there are several large refineries in the area which have been damaged, so the capacity to refine oil into gasoline has been compromised...but how much we won't know for a while.

Also, LOOP, which is an offshore oil offloading facility in the gulf southeast of new orleans offloads supertankers of their oil...haven't heard if it is out of commission.

Short answer is prices will rise for a time because of all this
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:40 AM
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101. NWS reporting flash flooding going on in NO
From TWC
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:45 AM
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106. Reports of water 8 feet high and over in St. Bernards Parish
Again TWC.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:49 AM
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109. Levee along the Industrial Canal has been topped over
and is flooding the area. Reported by TWC.
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:51 AM
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110. Holy #$&&*!!!!
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:52 AM
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111. I think we need a new thread for this... :cry:
:cry:
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:01 PM
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114. Roh roh
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:57 AM
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113. Flash flood warnings have been issued for Southeastern NO
Also from NWS, anyone seeking refuge in their attics, please take any necessary tools you can find to cut your away onto your roof if you need to.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:04 PM
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116. TWC: 24 feet surge is guessed at nt
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:24 PM
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118. Shot of downtown NO
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:27 PM
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119. I hope that city can hold together
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 12:29 PM by lebkuchen
I love it.

Northwest Airlines? That's another story.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:56 PM
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126. Mobile, AL is under water
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:57 PM
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127. did you catch that off your computer ? nt
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:59 PM
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128. Not exactly
My webcam has a Video In port so I caught it off of the tv.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 01:00 PM
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130. aww we Floridians are so damn smart !
:-)
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 01:00 PM
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129. Pretty far-reaching storm surge
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 01:13 PM
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132. Vidcap of flood waters in Mobile, AL
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Citizen Jane Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 01:17 PM
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134. 12 Pictures from La Repubblica
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 01:26 PM
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135. Anybody know how conditions are in Sun, LA?
HAve a friend in a shelter there and haven't been able to reach her.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 01:45 PM
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136. This WDSU coverage is incredible.
"Highway 90 out of Biloxi -- Destroyed. Washed away."

Pictures of the SuperDome -- layer of roof, gone.

Downed walls all over NOLA. Drowned cars. Crazy.

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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 02:18 PM
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138. My sympathies are with the whole Gulf region
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 02:18 PM by mvd
And after this, I won't complain about the weather here in SE Pennsylvania for a long time.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 04:34 PM
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142. You better be careful
The remnants are could be headed your way.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 05:02 PM
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145. Hi, geomon!
We're supposed to get rain/thunder from it, but I think the Ohio Valley is supposed to get the brunt of the remnants. Have you heard differently lately?

:hi:
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 05:04 PM
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147. PA will get some
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 05:09 PM
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149. Thanks for the map and all the updates
:thumbsup:
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 04:36 PM
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143. I hope SwampRat and family are alright
:scared:
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 04:40 PM
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144. He and his family traveled to Memphis.
They should be okay. But his mom stayed behind in a hotel with her husband because he was too elderly to leave.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 05:08 PM
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148. He checked in on another thread.
So he's okay. Don't know if he was able to check in with his mom.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 05:03 PM
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146. Could we start Part II for this thread ? for the dial up folks ? nt
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 05:30 PM
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151. Why isn't this on the Greatst Page? I just gave Recommendation #1
Please continue to update with new reports of NO developments - things are obviously deteriorating
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157. Locking for length
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