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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 04:21 PM
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John Conyers shoots straight, and I love him for it. Check this out.



Friday, August 19th, 2005

What Happened Last Fall?
Paul Krugman Does It Again
A Call to Action -- Moving Forward to 2006


Today's New York Times has an excellent column by Paul Krugman. The topic: Republican electoral dirty tricks. It is well worth reading the entire piece. It also provides me an opportunity to reflect on the debate that has broken out among progressives about the 2004 election irregularities and how we move forward.

I think I can predict the initial reaction of many of you who have been closely following the Ohio 2004 Presidential election investigations. You will be disappointed that Mr. Krugman stops short of saying the election fraud and irregularities in the 2004 election cost Senator Kerry the White House. While it is no secret what conclusion I have drawn about that question, I do not share this disappointment.

I know that many of my fellow progressives think the official margin of victory for Bush in Ohio, well over 100,000 votes, is too large a margin to be entirely reversed by proof of fraud or malfeasance. For them to believe that to be the case, they need to see some reasonable quantification of the actual voters who were disenfranchised and, in turn, the actual votes that were lost. After all, unlike the Republicans who still think Saddam Hussein possessed WMD when we invaded Iraq and believe we are winning the war, who think that tax cuts for the wealthy will grow the economy and reduce the deficit, who think a grieving mother and an Ambassador's wife are "fair game," and who think that the way to fix Social Security is to destroy it, we progressives are a “reality based community.”

The problem with answering my fellow progressives' challenge for numbers is that so much of what happened in Ohio centered on unquantifiable events that makes counting the number of disenfranchised voters impossible. How can we determine exactly how many Kerry voters turned around and went home facing hopelessly long lines at the polls? Or how many voters were never registered, and were turned away on election day, because of bizarre and conflicting Ken Blackwell edits about the weight of voter registration forms? Or how many votes were lost because of machine defects or manipulation?

What I can say is what the House Judiciary Committee Democratic Staff said best in the Conyers report: "We have found numerous, serious election irregularities in the Ohio presidential election, which resulted in a significant disenfranchisement of voters. Cumulatively, these irregularities, which affected hundreds of thousand of votes and voters in Ohio, raise grave doubts regarding whether it can be said the Ohio electors selected on December 13, 2004, were chosen in a manner that conforms to Ohio law, let alone federal requirements and constitutional standards."* Is there an exact number? No. Was it potentially a net loss of more than 100,000 Democratic votes? I think so. I continue to investigate what happened in Ohio and in the rest of the nation in the 2004 election and maybe someday the evidence will be sufficiently irrefutable to convince every fair-minded person of the extent and effect of electoral wrongdoing in 2004.

In the meantime, my fellow progressives and I, agreeing with each other on so many things, could go back and forth arguing with one another -- not about whether the GOP played dirty -- but about whether there was ENOUGH fraud to shift the outcome of the election. I see this happen over and over between progressives, sometimes in a civil tone and sometimes not.^ In doing so, however, we would be losing sight of the fact that we actually disagree about very little. Krugman’s column brings that home.

"There was at least as much electoral malfeasance in 2004 as there was in 2000, even if it didn't change the outcome. And the next election may be worse." Indeed, I think we all agree that, when it comes to electoral dirty tricks, Republican partisans continue to outdo themselves election after election. The things Ken Blackwell did in Ohio were so blatant and, in many instances, so overt and public, that he made Katherine Harris seem shy and retiring by comparison.

Then, he talks about the near blackout about the 2004 election irregularities by the mainstream media: "But few Americans have heard these facts. Perhaps journalists have felt that it would be divisive to cast doubt on the Bush administration's legitimacy. If so, their tender concern for the nation's feelings has gone for naught: Cindy Sheehan's supporters are camped in Crawford, and America is more bitterly divided than ever." How true. But for the progressive voices on the radio, like the Stephanie Miller or Randi Rhodes newscasts, the Internet, and columnists like Willliam Raspberry, many would have no idea what went wrong in Ohio. I think we all agree that the mainstream media is not getting the truth out. (I recently heard Stephanie Miller say something self-deprecating to the effect that, if I had heard her show, I would not call it a "newscast." When you only hear about important news on shows like hers and Randi's, what else do you call it? That said, I agree that hers is a very unusual newscast.)

And then he gets to the heart of the matter: "We aren't going to rerun the last three elections. But what about the future?"

"Our current political leaders would suffer greatly if either house of Congress changed hands in 2006, or if the presidency changed hands in 2008. The lids would come off all the simmering scandals, from the selling of the Iraq war to profiteering by politically connected companies. The Republicans will be strongly tempted to make sure that they win those elections by any means necessary. And everything we've seen suggests that they will give in to that temptation."

Republicans find themselves with plunging poll numbers and an uncertain electoral landscape in 2006. Failure for them in their drive to keep control of the House of Representatives, and one party rule in Washington, means that, if reelected, I will become Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, Henry Waxman will become Chairman of the Government Reform Committee, Louise Slaughter will become Chair of the Rules Committee, Charlie Rangel will Chair the Ways and Means Committee, and Nancy Pelosi will be the first woman to be Speaker of the House. That means accountability for this Administration with a stiff dose of the truth.

Make no mistake about it. Desperate times will lead to desperate tactics and partisans supporting Republican candidates will pull out every dirty trick in the book to stop us from bringing checks and balances back to the federal government. What do we do about it?


First, we must be vigilant and we must use every legal means at our disposal to stop the pre and post election manipulations. Second, we must push for legislation at the state and federal level to reform our elections, including providing a voter verified paper ballot.

More immediately, however, we must work harder to take back the House and to do so by a large enough margin so that the malfeasance and fraud makes no difference. I want you to start today (the election is just a little more than 14 months away) because they are. Start organizing in your neighborhood and precinct. Join your local democratic party if you haven't already. Talk to your relatives and friends about how much is at stake in 2006. Support progressive and alternative media that help get our message out by spreading the word about your favorite progressive talk radio hosts and stations, and the blogs you read. Support the candidates of your choice by signing up to be a volunteer for their campaigns, for the DCCC, or by making a financial contribution. Write letters to the editor about the lack of accountability in our government for the bad decisions made by this Congress and this Administration.

In sum, I have a small request: do everything you did for the 2006 election that you did last year in a close Presidential election marred by malfeasance and fraud, and then do more. It is never too soon to start.



*Those irregularities included: "The misallocation of voting machines led to unprecedented long lines that disenfranchised scores, if not hundreds of thousands, of predominantly minority and Democratic voters"..."Mr. Blackwell’s decision to restrict provisional ballots resulted in the disenfranchisement of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of voters, again predominantly minority and Democratic voters"..."Mr. Blackwell’s widely reviled decision to reject voter registration applications based on paper weight may have resulted in thousands of new voters not being registered in time for the 2004 election"..."The Ohio Republican Party’s decision to engage in preelection “caging” tactics, selectively targeting 35,000 predominantly minority voters for intimidation had a negative impact on voter turnout"..."The Ohio Republican Party’s decision to utilize thousands of partisan challengers concentrated in minority and Democratic areas likely disenfranchised tens of thousands of legal voters, who were not only intimidated, but became discouraged by the long lines"..."We learned of improper purging and other registration errors by election officials that likely disenfranchised tens of thousands of voters statewide...The Greater Cleveland Voter Registration Coalition projects that in Cuyahoga County alone over 10,000 Ohio citizens lost their right to vote as a result of official registration errors."..."There were 93,000 spoiled ballots where no vote was cast for president, the vast majority of which have yet to be inspected"...."There were numerous, significant unexplained irregularities in other counties throughout the state, in Mahoning county at least 25 electronic machines transferred an unknown number of Kerry votes to the Bush column" and "in Miami county, voter turnout was an improbable and highly suspect 98.55 percent, and after 100 percent of the precincts were reported, an additional 19,000 extra votes were recorded for President Bush."

^ On some blogs, my staff advises me that the critique of allegations of irregularities has been so angry and accusatory, and allegations of irregularities so wild and unsubstantiated, that I could be banned for posting this entry -- the topic itself is forbidden.



Blogged by JC on 08.19.05 @ 10:23 AM ET


Link: http://www.conyersblog.us/

Bolding=mine, and I really wanted to bold every word.

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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 04:27 PM
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1. thanks for posting this
it is so frustrating and absolutely horrific that this is the state of elections for our nation. we must fix this.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 04:31 PM
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2. there's something of a catch-22 here
We can't get justice without fair elections, and we can't get fair elections without justice.
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Gay Green Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 09:50 PM
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14. Seems like catch-22 to me
How do we get voter-verified paper ballots in all 50 states unless the Repigs are thrown out, and how can the Repigs be thrown out unless there are voter-verified paper ballots in all 50 states? :crazy:
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 04:32 PM
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3. "which resulted in a significant disenfranchisement of voters"
If they can discourage us, they win. After the recent church/government fest (what was it called, power sunday?), you can bet that there will always be a group ready to vote repub, come hell or high water. Or even if they bring about hell and high water.

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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 04:35 PM
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4. Posted earlier in GEN
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 04:59 PM
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5. kick!
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 05:11 PM
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6. Thanks for the post.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 05:24 PM
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7. Thank you for posting! Important messages from the Congressman, as always!
Peace.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 06:57 PM
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8. You're welcome!
:hi:
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 07:01 PM
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9. Receipt-Diebolds must be put installed - no receipt? NO Diebolds!!
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 08:27 PM
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11. I'll drink to that!
I really think people don't realize they are voting and there is no guarantee it's being counted properly.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 11:25 PM
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16. I have a question about paper ballots coming from these machines
So I vote for Kerry, and I get my receipt. I leave happy, thinking that my vote got counted. Everyone votes, everyone gets a receipt. Then the polls close.

The polls close, the pollworkers hit the END button to send the results to the main computer at the sec'y of state's office. As the END button is hit, the computers quickly tally the votes at each polling place before the info is transferred to the main computer, and stores the info. The stored info is avb in case there is a recount.

But once the info gets to the main computer, they hit the switch.
And they transfer 70% of Kerry's votes to Bush.

If the fraud occurred in computer programming, the paper receipts are gonna be just that - PAPER!
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 11:54 PM
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17. Pirhana There Are Two Schemes of Electronic/Paper Voting
One of them involves printing "receipts", like you say, like an ATM
does. You have to trust that the machine sends your vote to the big
computer exactly the way your receipt says, and you have no way of
knowing if that's so.

The other system is called the Mercuri system or the "Becky Ballot"
or the Voter-Verified-Paper-Ballot (VVPB) and in this the voting
machine is simply used to print out a paper ballot that you can
inspect, and which can then be put in the ballot box and counted
through optical scanners. Of course then you have to trust that the
scanners are honest, but it's easier to test a few scanners than a
gazillion paperless touchscreen machines, and the paper ballots can be
hand counted and weighed and sampled and verified.

24 states now have enacted legislation to require VVPBs. If you go
here http://verifiedvoting.org/ you can check the status of your
state. It is absolutely essential that we get rid of the "black box"
voting machines!


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LiberalAmerican Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 01:21 AM
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20. my election idea from another thread...
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 10:39 AM
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22. Actually even with receipts there can still be manipulation at the central
tabulator level. Since there is not a 100% audit ( and in Ohio the win is just over the automatic recount level (see presidential '04 as well as District 02 Hackett race). My point is :

DON'T TRUST THE MACHINES! HAND COUNTED PAPER BALLOTS ARE THE WAY TO GO (WITH STRICT REQUIREMENTS FOR PROCEDURES!)
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 07:16 PM
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10. It's mostly in the software.
The electronic warriors in the repuke party are flipping the votes, hidden inside little black (gray or tan) boxes.

Until a certain number of machines are locked and confiscated, along with polling books, and a forensic team takes the whole thing apart, and charges are filed, we're not going to get anywhere.

It should have been done in 2002. Fool me once....

:kick:
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 08:49 PM
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12. John Conyers and John Bonifaz 2 HEROES
These two guys are TRUE AMERICANS
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 09:05 PM
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13. reTHUGs "will pull out every dirty trick in the book" bet
and that this topic is BANNED on some bbs is shocking... he must be talk'n bout the FREAKERS because every liberal who knows about this realizes how CRITICAL VVPB are and would NEVER ban discussion on the topic no matter how loud it gets... as a matter of fact, it's obvious by now that the LOUDER the BETTER with the M$MW's in town.


more...
http://media.globalfreepress.com

peace
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novak goes postal Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 10:23 PM
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15. Thanks for the post
It is good to think that John Conyers is thinking on this next election NOW.... We need many more John Conyers in congress to look out for us....
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 12:07 AM
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18. i have much MUCH love for mr conyers - thank you sir
now this is a thread worth kicking

thank you for posting it
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 01:02 AM
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19. another thank you for mr conyers
Edited on Sat Aug-20-05 01:03 AM by faithnotgreed
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 10:31 AM
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21. If anyone had problems posting on his blog after
the technical changes as I did, I wanted to let you know that its fixed and I was able to "rejoin"! So... try again.
http://www.conyersblog.us
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 10:40 AM
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23. And the spirit of our Andy lives on........
and inspires...........
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 10:45 AM
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24. I propose that we should put volunteers with cameras
at every polling place
and show them on TV
Where? you ask?
Why, CURRENT of course.
Damn that man (Gore) is a genius.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 02:18 PM
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25. This is a very encouraging development n/t
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 02:41 PM
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26. God I love Conyers!
I don't know what we'd do without him.

:)
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