PETA: Animals for global fur trade skinned alive in China

[Karmadillo]

The last straw for those of you still tempted to buy fur?

http://www.furisdead.com/feat/ChineseFurFarms/

When undercover investigators made their way onto Chinese fur farms recently, they found that many animals are still alive and struggling desperately when workers flip them onto their backs or hang them up by their legs or tails to skin them. When workers on these farms begin to cut the skin and fur from an animal's leg, the free limbs kick and writhe. Workers stomp on the necks and heads of animals who struggle too hard to allow a clean cut. When the fur is finally peeled off over the animals' heads, their naked, bloody bodies are thrown onto a pile of those who have gone before them. Some are still alive, breathing in ragged gasps and blinking slowly. Some of the animals' hearts are still beating five to 10 minutes after they are skinned. One investigator recorded a skinned raccoon dog on the heap of carcasses who had enough strength to lift his bloodied head and stare into the camera.

Before they are skinned alive, animals are pulled from their cages and thrown to the ground; workers bludgeon them with metal rods or slam them on hard surfaces, causing broken bones and convulsions but not always immediate death. Animals watch helplessly as workers make their way down the row.

Undercover investigators from Swiss Animals Protection/EAST International recently toured fur farms in China's Hebei Province, and it quickly became clear why outsiders are banned from visiting. There are no regulations governing fur farms in China—farmers can house and slaughter animals however they see fit—meaning miserable lives and excruciating deaths. The investigators found horrors beyond their worst imaginings and concluded, "Conditions on Chinese fur farms make a mockery of the most elementary animal welfare standards. … In their lives and their unspeakable deaths, these animals have been denied even the simplest acts of kindness."

On these farms, foxes, minks, rabbits, and other animals pace and shiver in outdoor wire cages, exposed to driving rain, freezing nights, and, at other times, scorching sun. Mother animals, who are driven crazy from rough handling and intense confinement and have nowhere to hide while giving birth, often kill their babies after delivering litters. Disease and injuries are widespread, and animals suffering from anxiety-induced psychosis chew on their own limbs and throw themselves repeatedly against the cage bars.

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[Runcible Spoon]

1. get ready to be flamed.

if you post anything from PETA, whether or not the story has merit, trust the People for the Eating of Tasty Animals jackasses to flame you. Sad story, but it's in China. Probably no hope for effective activism. I'm focusing energies on animal abuse here in the States, where hopefully we can make a real difference.

[mistertrickster]

120. As someone who has actually skinned animals (muskrats) for their

fur, this story makes no sense.

A dead animal won't bite and squirm. A dead animal would be much eaiser to skin. I wouldn't even attempt to skin a live muskrat--it'd be insane.

This is "babies and incubators" crap from the radical animal rights lobby.

It doesn't even make good nonsense.

I don't trap anything anymore, btw.

[flvegan]

126. So you're saying that this is staged? Doctored? Set up?

[livinginphotographs]

128. Did you watch the video?

And PETA didn't shoot it, another group did.

But I guess it's all just special effects, right?

[Maru Kitteh]

131. Did you watch the video? Because if you didn't, what ground do you have

to stand on here? The video is very clear and indisputable evidence, animals are being skinned alive. BTW, they skin live animals all the time here in the good ole USA. You call them burgers and bacon.

At the staggering rate of 400 animals per hour in most slaughterhouses the slightest ounce of compassion costs too much time. Animals are often live and aware of what is happening to them when they are hung upside down and skinned. Some are still conscious when their hooves and ears are cut off and they are disemboweled. Dodging large animals that are swinging and struggling for their lives is a serious hazard for the slaughterhouse workers and helps to make it one of the most dangerous occupations in America but the vast majority of the workers will never make a single complaint about their working conditions because they are too afraid of being deported back to Mexico. Most do not speak English and are illiterate in any language. Few would know who they should contact and most all come to this country with a general distrust of authorities.

The giant slaughter houses of Tyson, IBP and others live in a world of no consequences. The filthy conditions in these places cause illness and kill people every day. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates 76 million people suffer foodborne illnesses each year in the United States, accounting for 325,000 hospitalizations and more than 5,000 deaths. Most all of these poisonings are caused by filthy slaughterhouse meat, be that birds, pigs or cows.

We currently have 100 million cattle in this country and we have slaughtered 850,460,000 cows in the last 13 years. Of those eight hundred and fifty million plus cows we have tested a paltry, ridiculously inadequate 57,000 for Mad Cow disease. Many of the most prolific slaughterhouses and those most likely to process at risk cattle have not had so much as a single animal tested. By comparison France tests 66,000 animals per week.

If you want a real eye-opener try googling these three words; Con Agra feces and chili. Yum, yum.

[mistertrickster]

137. Okay, you're right -- they are skinning them alive. And you notice

that the douchebag doing it has to stop and get away from the animal while it's struggling?

That's why I say what I say, it doesn't make sense. I'm watching it, I'm seeing it, but it doesn't make sense.

But it is China, after all . . .

[The Stranger]

2. Kick!

Let us see if the PETA haters will show up to recite Right Wing talking points about PETA for this one.

Or maybe the silence here will just be deafening.

[Bridget Burke]

3. I'm not a vegetarian, but I've never been tempted to buy fur.

Of course, I live in Houston, where it rarely gets cold.

Plenty of women wear fur here--the ones on their second divorce & first facelift. (Not to mention the boob job.)

[KnowerOfLogic]

4. Another reason not to buy *anything* from China. nt

[Runcible Spoon]

5. yeah prolly best activism is to NOT BUY FUR

and encourage others NOT to either. Flame me if you must, but every time I see fur, I say audibly to whomever my companion might be "I hope that's FAUX FUR". Not anything too inflammatory and maybe if it IS faux the wearer will be pleased that someone took it for real. And if it's NOT faux, well fuck him/her and his/her fake tits/chin/hairplugs/etc.

[Catchawave]

69. I won't even wear "faux fur" anymore.....

...it looks too real, still as warm, but I think still sends the wrong message :( Plus the Rookie Activists can't tell the difference, or it's just what it represents that disturbs them so.

I'm all for the animals, and letting them live their little animal lives. I still eat meat, but one of the few who will honestly admit I'm addicted to the endorphines (sp?) that stressed animals release before slaughter. euwwwwww. I won't eat any baby animal (baby back ribs or veal or lamb)nor will I eat meat off a bone, ever since I bit into a tumor from KFC. Blood and pus everywhere.

Sorry, more than you wanted to know, but support the Animal Rights movement 150%, despite what the right calls hypocrisy.

[Beaverhausen]

6. oh my god

this hurts my heart.

[Ms. Clio]

8. Me, too--makes me break down and weep in despair n/t

[canadianbeaver]

59. I am in tears as I type......

this world really sucks sometimes....I can't believe what humans are capable of....how can this go on....how can anyone do this...my heart is in shock and I won't ever get over this......the animals need help! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[Coexist]

7. I couldn't watch more than a minute of that n/t

[azndndude]

9. I could not watch the whole video

How terrible!! This is humans at their lowest. Where is the compassion for the poor defenseless animals. The eyes on that creature who was still alive after being skinned is heart wrenching. I am sick to my stomach. What can we do??? I was planning a trip to China this summer but will now cancel. I will forward this link to all friends so that we can get the message out.

[BikeWriter]

10. I'd rather save my concern for humans who are dying painful deaths...

...around the world.

[Beaverhausen]

11. Why can't we have compassion for all living creatures?

Don't assume those who fight for the rights of animals don't also fight for human rights as well.

[BikeWriter]

31. They seem to spread their efforts mighty thin...

[Ms. Clio]

41. Yes, we would rather see babies skinned alive

Tasty Iraqi babies.

[Ms. Clio]

12. What a pity your concern must be so carefully rationed

Some of us manage to care about both.

[BikeWriter]

32. Thank you. I put people first!

[Ms. Clio]

33. It wasn't a compliment, so I don't know why you are thanking me

Like I said, a pity that you can't manage to do both.

[BikeWriter]

39. So pity me. I will never have the time to worry about animal abuse when...

...Children are being treated like animals!

[Ms. Clio]

40. In my experience, those who don't care about the abuse of animals

Do precious little to help children, either.

[BikeWriter]

80. That's your opinion. I'm entitled to mine.

[Maru Kitteh]

117. Didn't say opinion.......... said EXPERIENCE ........ there's a difference

Also you might want to avail yourself of the widely available FACTS that show a proven correlation between the abuse of animals and those abusers propensity for domestic violence and other forms of serial violence including murder.

http://www.vachss.com/guest_dispatches/ascione_1.html

http://www.columbustelegram.com/articles/2003/10/21/news/news3.txt

http://www.teamcares.org/animal_abuse.html



There are tons more, all you have to do is open your eyes. IF you care.

[BearClaws]

42. BikeWriter

There wasn't a picture of any brutalized children.
I too put people first, and as a generalization, consider most of PETA's claims to me anthropomorphic gibberish.
I go as far as to think that fur is not a big issue.
I seriously doubt you will find a person here that has more hands on experience with dead animals and the issues that regard retailing animal parts.
However the specific point was this video.
NO animal should be allowed to suffer to that extreme.
Our humanity is supposedly what separates us from beasts.
Kill the fox, raccoon whatever.
Do it quickly and humanely.
Again, what is displayed in that video is the inhumanity of man.
Sickening.

[BikeWriter]

81. "anthropomorphic gibberish." Yes, my estimation of PeTa exactly.

[Ellen Forradalom]

98. Concern for children and animals are not mutually exclusive

One does not preclude the other. It is all concern for sentient life.

Those who treat children badly would likely have no reason to treat animals well.

[BikeWriter]

111. I seem to notice more threads concerned with animals than children...

...on this board.

[Ms. Clio]

112. Link to those threads, then

What a totally bogus, bullshit claim.

[BikeWriter]

113. Thank you very much for your polite sincerity!

[Ms. Clio]

116. You made a claim, I asked for links--you can't provide them, I see

So how "sincere" were you?

[Ellen Forradalom]

119. You aren't helping the children

by open hostility towards those concerned with animals.

[BikeWriter]

143. Hostility? Please, read my post. Then read the responses.

[Ms. Clio]

145. Still waiting for all those links to the threads about animals

that you have seen in your long long 3 months here.

What you did was come into a thread where people were commenting about something that was horribly disturbing to them and tell them that you were a much much better person because you don't care.


:puke:

[BikeWriter]

146. You have your own priorities, I have mine. I also have the right...

...to express them.
Thank you.

[Ms. Clio]

147. You still didn't post the links--why is that?

And I imagine you will have a different attitude when someone takes a dump on something you think is important. I look forward to it.

You're welcome. I enjoy watching you expose your "priorities." LOL. Yes, mockingbirds are a real priority.

[BearClaws]

144. N/A

I was referring to a prior post.
All lives deserve respect and humane treatment.

[Name removed]

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[JHB]

67. My irony-sense is tingling....

...must be from someone calling themselves "harmony" spewing all that bile against so-called "hayseeds" and drawing such a bigoted caricature of "them".

[livinginphotographs]

70. LOL.

Welcome to DU. Someone had to say it.

It's not your fault you call it like you see it. :)

[The Stranger]

85. What a sad, primitive and infantile little system of priority.

"People first?" Self-preservation is only necessary if the self is endangered. Everything -- but everything -- is endangered except people -- we're overrunning the fucking planet.

But it does, you know, seem to make a good right wing talking point.

[mitchtv]

108. hey Stranger, I agree

there are a whole lot of people looking after people. We need however, to live in a world that is not all suburbs. I like animals.I don't trust anyone who doesn't care about them.

[Maru Kitteh]

118. *stands and cheers* Rush would be very proud of some of the tripe

posted here. Hell, he could even use some of it for his show.

[livinginphotographs]

52. But what about the songbirds?!!!!

BWAHHHH!!!

You're not fooling anyone.

[Pithlet]

102. Good catch!

:thumbsup:

[achtung_circus]

60. Is concern a limited resource?

Is compassion a zero-sum game? By caring about this issue do we have less compassion for children, less compassion for the hungry, the sick.

I can't speak for you, but I can care about more than one thing at a time.

[livinginphotographs]

71. Oh, but sleeper agents are plentiful.

And something about these animal threads brings them in like flies on shit.

[Ms. Clio]

114. It sure as hell does

I find it really really hard to give a flying fuck what they say.

[RC]

13. This is from PETA, so

How much of this is true? They do have a reputation for embellishing the facts.

[AlienGirl]

15. If you watch the video, you'll see the skinned dog looking at the camera.

[RC]

34. Yeah, and?

I didn't say none of it was true. I said they have a tendency to embellish the facts. And that is a fact.

[Tinoire]

36. Wow. Just wow. n/t

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

61. "If it's from PETA it's exaggerated even when it isn't so stop sayin that"

I'd laugh if the subject matter wasn't so gruesome.

If you ask me, PETA is regaining MUCH of the respect they lost due to their previous loopy antics. Credit where credit's due.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

62. "If it's from PETA it's exaggerated even when it isn't so stop sayin that"

I'd laugh if the subject matter wasn't so gruesome.

If you ask me, PETA is regaining MUCH of the respect they lost due to their previous loopy antics. Credit where credit's due.

[Karmadillo]

49. Any facts here you think are embellished?

n/t

[Name removed]

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[quinnox]

14. I am one of those who like consuming meat

so this is not on the top of priority list. Some aninmals are to be blunt, good for use as food for humans.

[Ms. Clio]

16. This is about fur, not food

And should those animals that are good for use as food for humans be skinned alive first?

[quinnox]

18. No

I didnt read that closely, fine, it is about fur. I'm more concerned about using animals as food. Fur is none of my concern.

[Catchawave]

99. Unfortunately, alot of food animals aren't quite dead when the

...slaughter begins :(

[Ms. Clio]

110. I know :(

But this particular atrocity just seems so egregious and wanton.

[AlienGirl]

17. This ia about fashion, not food

Those animals are not used for food; their carcasses seem to be just left to rot.

At some point you have to ask the question, "Where do you draw the line?" At what point does the suffering of the animal outweigh the aesthetic benefit to humans?

For example, would it be acceptible for an artist to put on a show that involved skinning a live, conscious mammal? If it isn't acceptible as performance art, is it *made* acceptible because the fur will be sold on a cute jacket at Wal-Mart? If not, does it become acceptible if the fur is sold and the meat used? Is there a point where you draw a line at all? What if someone is sexually excited by slitting a rabbit's belly and "using" the hole--is that unacceptible? And if not, why?

Tucker

[quinnox]

19. like I said to the other post

I didn't read it that closely, I thought it had to do with food.

[KnowerOfLogic]

139. Well, a lot of people like a lot of things. What's your point?

[mordarlar]

20. I started to watch the film. I could not....

I fish and i clean them. I am largely desensitized to harsh images from the past few years of bushwar. This is could not watch. How horrific.

:cry:

[Swamp Rat]

21. I can't watch...

:cry:

[Dave Reynolds]

22. Damn,

now let's go throw paint on everyone, otay?

Or be insulting to people who don't think the same way about fur.

[Ms. Clio]

23. Oh, the horror of paint and insults!

Some fur-wearing bimbo might be scarred for life!

::::plonk:::::

[Dave Reynolds]

24. I'm certain

that it would change their whole view of the world, make them see the evil of their ways, and make them donate all of their money to the humane society.

sigh

[AlienGirl]

25. So do YOU think it's ok to skin animals alive?

[Dave Reynolds]

26. No.

I prefer them to be dead first.

[Ms. Clio]

28. I don't give a rat's ass if it does or not

But I'm sure as hell not going to care if some Highland Park bitch gets her mink splattered with paint.

[Bridget Burke]

56. Yes, fur in Texas makes so much sense!

I can't totally fault fur-wearers in the Far North. Especially country-dwellers who catch their own fur. Even then, care should be taken to be as humane as possible. (I'm not a vegetarian.)

But in Texas, the "bimbo" alarm goes off when I see a fur coat. We've got River Oaks "ladies" here in Houston.

North of Waxahachie, east of old Cowtown
Them Dallas women standin’up beat the others lyin’down
Well God bless the Trinity River and any man who is unaware
Of the northeast Texas women with their cotton candy hair.

http://goneastray.virtualave.net/texwomen.html

[Ms. Clio]

109. Yeah, I'm not going to fault people who live in truly cold climates

for wearing fur--but Texas sure as hell doesn't qualify as one of those places. And I'm not a vegetarian, either. But I don't see how anyone can shrug off the torture of animals with a holier-than-thou attitude--it just makes me deeply doubtful about their basic humanity in other situations.

Those are great lyrics--thanks for the link.

[livinginphotographs]

129. I'll fault them....

Unless we're talking about Eskimos or something, there's no excuse for someone living in a even semi-modern culture to wear fur. There are more than enough fabrics that are just as warm.

Wearing fur is selfish and narcissistic, and I won't shed a single tear for some idiot getting red paint thrown on them. I wouldn't personally do it, but if I saw someone do it, I'd be right there laughing my ass off. Fuck them, fuck those who sell it, and fuck those who support it.

[Name removed]

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[BearClaws]

27. WAY WRONG!

I come from a family of hunters and fisherman.
I've made my living from dead animals. (Butcher)
All animals deserve respect.
What was was displayed in that video is brutal and barbaric.
Even wild caught fur is more humane than that.
Absolutely disgusting.
That means A LOT coming from me.

[Ms. Clio]

29. Hey BearClaws--did you mean to post this to me?

Thanks for your perspective, however.

I couldn't watch the video at all, just the description of it left me stunned with horror.

[BearClaws]

30. No

I meant the actions depicted in the video were WAY WRONG!

[BigBearJohn]

37. I would like to show this video to a REPUG and see if they object

I could NOT and will NOT watch the video.
The still picture was enough. Makes me
not want to buy ANYTHING made in China.
I already don't shop at Walmart because
more than half their stuff is made in China.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

75. What's the POINT of you saying that?

Was PETA wrong in denouncing skinning animals alive?

[Dave Reynolds]

96. No, not at all,

I was making parody of solutions people who favor PETA (not accusing the organization of anything) do to protest these things. What point does vandalism serve? Does it make anyone think of the issue at hand, or does it make people dislike animal rights activists?

This may be a poor analogy, but it popped into my head. Say the ELF did not like the way Goodyear (just as an example) polluted the air in rubber production. In protest, they slashed all tires they saw with the Goodyear name on it, and had sit-ins at the local tire dealer. Say you, a good supporter of PETA, had Goodyear tires on your car and they were slashed.

Would you be understanding, and go buy new tires from a different maker? Or would you curse them for destroying your property?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

103. PETA did nothing of the sort in this case.

All they did was old fashioned honest investigative work, which exposed an act of unspeakable cruelty. But you feel the irresistible urge to point out paint throwing.

Odd, to say the least.

[Dave Reynolds]

106. Odd? Maybe, maybe not.

As a non-activist, whenever the fur issue comes up, my thoughts go to:

1. Pam Anderson naked.
2. Activists covered by the media in the past throwing paint on women's fur coats.

I guess I'm not making myself clear. I have no problem with anyone doing investigative work, protesting for a cause they believe in, etc...

I have not disputed the work put into this video. My main question is what will the result of this investigation and exposure of this act of cruelty be? Outrage from the faithful? Fine. Preaching to the choir is great. Will it make Mrs. Rich Bitch mink-wearer change anything? How would we know? Will someone feel the urge to go to the extreme to voice their displeasure? Possibly. The people who commit vandalism are probably very few and far between, but those are the people who get the media exposure, and that is the image that we poor uneducated masses see and associate with an activist organization.

Property attacks on individuals or public institutions do nothing but bring bad publicity.

It's very sad that we are so polarized.

I may come off as somewhat of an asshole, because I am. I do not mean to be disrespectful to anyone's beliefs or causes.

[shreck]

35. Communism

what did you expect?

[Karmadillo]

43. Capitalism

What did you expect?

http://www.goveg.com/feat/a-tyson1.html

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One of the most recent problems that I observed was the night shift superintendent, Richard Frasier, turning down the stunner and ordering the employees to leave it down. This machine is the device that is supposed to stun chickens before they are killed. Turning it down results in the chickens missing the killing machine and evading the killer behind the machine, so that they end up being scalded to death by water in the scalding tank. The scalding tank loosens up the feathers so that they can be picked out. The chickens are supposed to be dead before they reach this point. I, as well as Ed Taylor (my immediate supervisor), Troy Shepmann, and Aron Harris (fellow employees) argued this action with Richard, who refused to stop doing this. We were not given a reason behind Richard's decision.

The expected percentage that the killing machine was supposed to kill by slitting throats was 86%. On an extremely good night that percentage was accurate. The remaining chickens would miss the blade altogether. Most nights the percentage would fall to the high 70's. Some nights, even worse.

I was responsible for trying to slit the throats of the chickens the machine missed on the nights I worked the killing room. Our line runs 182 shackles per minute. It is physically impossible to catch them all. Therefore, they are scalded alive. When this happens, the chickens flop, scream, kick, and their eyeballs pop out of their heads. Then, they often come out the other end with broken bones and disfigured and missing body parts because they've struggled so much in the tank. Sometimes, when we had a line broken down, they would be left hanging upside down in the stunner in the water to drown. In the stunner, the water is cold and salted to better conduct the electricity. I have personally seen them hang in this position for hours.

One night in early spring last year we lost hydraulic pressure. Perhaps 300-400 chickens missed the stunner because the line slowed down so much that the birds could avoid it while those who were stunned were able to recover by the time they reached the killing machine-which was only working sporadically. The live birds were left hanging upside down in the scalders while the machinery was being fixed. We could have quit hanging more chickens at this point and let the line run empty while the killing machine was off-line. Instead, we were ordered by Richard Frasier and Ed Taylor to continue to hang the chickens, while Aron Harris was required to kill all of them by hand. This could not be done by one person, even at half the speed and it was clear to everyone there that birds were going by untouched. Several hundred chickens were scalded to death by this decision.

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[Maru Kitteh]

134. Tell us the truth now

you came here looking for pinko commie femi nazi librul tree huggers, didn't ya? How's that workin' out? Can we help you?

Am I right?

[jokerman93]

38. I have no doubt this is true

I lived 6 years in Asia. In S. Korea I witnessed similar treatment first hand of dogs being hung and tortured alive for hours before being slaughter for meat. The torture is supposed to make the animal's meat a more potent tonic for men's sexual strength.

It was barbarous and sickening. I can still hear the dogs yelping and howling in agony for several hours.

I believe the content of this story.

[FizzFuzz]

79. what men will do for sexual strength.

I want to vomit.

And as the poster above you pointed out, depraved cruelty is not just for "unenlightened foreigners".

:cry:

I think I better get out of this thread...I can't handle it any more.

[DeaconBlues]

121. I saw something similar when I was stationed in South Korea

I saw rabbits processed in a slaughterhouse. They were grabbed from their cage, clubbed in the head, and put on a hook. They were then stripped of their skin, whether they were stunned, dead, or completely aware.

I'll never forget the screams.

[Maru Kitteh]

133. I'm sorry you had to go through that

I can't understand the capacity of the human animal for cruelty and brutality. Evolution has some serious work to do.

[DeaconBlues]

135. Thanks, but I only saw this sort of thing once

and it (among with other things) set me on the path of vegetarianism.
I wonder what it does to the minds and spirits of people who do this kind of thing for a living and do it every day.

[solinvictus]

44. This is sickening...

I can't say what I'm thinking, but if there's a hell, I hope they have a reservation waiting.

[The Revolution]

45. This is the type of thing PETA should be working on...

This is the kind of stuff that PETA should be exposing. (I'm not going to watch the video...based on the description, I couldn't take it).

The problem I have with PETA is when they show up at an elementary school and tell little kids they're evil for eating the chicken nuggets the school served them that day. That's the kind of stuff that turns people against PETA and liberals in general.

If they would concentrate on things like this fur problem, they would get a lot more support.

Personally I can't see how someone could actually perform the acts described here. I suppose you would have to either by really desperate or really heartless.

[WindRavenX]

47. exactly

This is absolutly sick, disgusting, and morally wrong- it must be stopped, and PETA has a chance to end this.I hope they chose to focus on issues like this instead of their asinine anti-Milk campaign.

[Catchawave]

101. May I ask where you got your PETA information .....

...just curious, because there's alot of misinformation about P harrassing children...I'm always willing to check out these charges against them, and usually prove they're rumors provided by the meat industry.

Also, PETA has quite a fur campaign....caution: more graphics too...

http://www.furisdead.com/

[karlrschneider]

46. There was a program a few years ago showing them doing it to dogs.

I don't recall exactly when or where I saw (some of) it but there were scenes that are permanently burned into my memory. I love meat but cruelty of that nature is so far beyond the pale it makes me want give the people who do those things some of the same treatment.
:grr:

[tnlefty]

73. Was it possibly video of the Humane Society International?

I remember seeing video of an investigation in which a poor dog was shown tied up and skinned alive and it was part of an undercover investigation and I think that it aired on network tv on 60 minutes a few years ago.

[Rex]

48. To some, animals are just another thing to exploit.

They don't look at the fact that dogs, cats, etc...are living creatures with feelings and emotions. For those that do these horrendous acts, I can only hope that when they get to Hell their punishment is to get skinned alive each and every day for eternity.

[DemExpat]

50. I cannot watch this....I saw one last year of live pluckings of chickens

and ducks in a market in China, and that was enough to give me nightmares for weeks.

Just knowing this is going on with mammals every day is horrific to me, along with Western slaughterhouse horrors as well...

:cry: :cry: :cry:

I agree that this is what PETA should focus their campaigns on...relentlessly.

DemEx

[JNelson6563]

51. Truly evil

I can't even watch the video, it would haunt me. I hope PETA does a lot with this.

Julie

[BearClaws]

53. Can't Stop...

Thinking about those images!
I have butchered thousands of animals over a 27 year period.
The images of the skinned fox looking around and clearly still alive haunted me all last night.
I don't have that big of a problem with using animals for food or even fur, but holy shit man, be humane about it.
No creature, man or beast, deserves that kind of treatment.
I do get feelings of retribution on those savages that can inflict that kind of outrageous brutality on a living creature.

[Mary in KC]

54. Animal Rights are an unknown thing in a lot of the world

I guess when you have to respect for human rights, the animals are even worse off.

But reports from China - on many fronts - are especially horrific.

I don't ever buy fur on anything - you never know, it might be cat fun or german shepherd fur. They label it has coyote or some such thing. I won't even buy slippers with any kind of fur on them.

I think you can tell a lot about someone's character by the way they treat animals. You don't have to want them as pets to treat their lives with respect.

[ernstbass]

55. Kudos to PETA for raising this issue

This absolutely sickens me and it must be stopped. I didn't veiw the video but reading about it in these posts will torment me for weeks or months. What good is humanity if we can't care for our most helpless creatures? God - I feel sick

[Skip Intro]

57. Makes me reconsider my opposition to the death penalty

it really does

on edit; yes, I know the report is about torture in China, but I'm thinking as a memeber of the human race - and maybe people that are responsible for things like this should know firsthand how it feels.

[Johonny]

58. Only have 1 question

Is this considered cruel or an unusual practice in the Chinese culture? If shown the video would the average Chinese citizen be sickend?

[ernstbass]

66. I don't give a shit about their culture

this is reprehensible

[Johonny]

82. Well clearly I do

wish to know if they would find it as such.

Telling other people you don't give a shit about their culture is not a very progressive attitude. It's certainly the wrong way to approach problems that cross international boarders.

[Bridget Burke]

83. Will you buy fur-trimmed slippers from China?

Their culture or not--will we support it with our dollars?

I won't.

[Johonny]

91. Not a big fur person myself

But last time I checked there's about billion of them. If their culture is ok with this type of treatment of animals then you got a bigger hill to climb than if they don't.

[movie_girl99]

65. send this to J fucking Lo

did anyone see her fashion show on MTV? Everything had fur. One model refused to wear fur and the dip shit JLo says " doesn't she know that leather comes from a cow" I shouted at the TV to her fat ass that "yeah they do but at least cows are used for meat and not just skinned alive for their hide".

[Cadence]

89. I know.. I saw that.

I used to semi-like some things she did but after that show I thought fuck you bitch! She can bite me!!!!!!!

[livinginphotographs]

138. Hey movie_girl.

PETA actually has her featured on their homepage, with an address you can write her.

Here's the website for it: http://www.jlodown.com/

Not like we needed another reason to hate that conceited POS....

[movie_girl99]

142. yeah my husband was having an e-mail war with

whom ever it is that replies to e-mails sent to her website. so he decided to send the info to PETA but someone beat him to it. Thank Goodness...shes a big phony Jenny from the block my ass stinking POS!!!

[Catchawave]

68. Clubbing Baby Seals is still legal too.....

following the http://www.seashepherd.org/

[Lilith Velkor]

72. Yeah, but that's more humane than this shit. n/t

[Catchawave]

77. Clubbing Baby Seals is Humane?

Me don't understand....this is in front of their moms too. Now that's not even a humane thought!

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

78. It's unspeakably evil, but THIS manages to be even MORE.

And some people here seem to think there's NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. :argh:

[flvegan]

127. Actually, some of those seals are skinned alive, right there on the ice.

So...

[FizzFuzz]

74. I can't even read this, let alone watch the video. And to all the "I only

care about people" people here--go pack sand till your skin falls off.

this isn't about food, or fur, it's about cruelty that is so egregious, anyone thinking it's an occasion to parse words and split meanings can go to hell.

[hedgehog]

84. There is a responsible way to use animals

and this isn't it. I've heard that the special requirements for Kosher meat ensure the least pain for the animal. Temple Grandin (sp?) has redesigned many of the slaughter houses in this country. She has autism and used her insights to look at things from the animals' point of view. She is not the least bit sentimental about eating animals, but insists on making the process as stress-free as possible.

[justiceischeap]

97. Kosher slaughter

Is AgriProcessors' Cruelty Kosher?
Kosher slaughter, done correctly, is kinder and quicker than standard slaughter methods in the United States. But AgriProcessors, the world's largest glatt kosher slaughterhouse, has been ignoring the Jewish commitment to compassion and federal law by mutilating fully conscious animals, shocking them in the face, and slaughtering them in a way that has allowed many to stand and attempt to flee, even minutes after their throats had been slit.

http://www.goveg.com/feat/agriprocessors/

The video is not for the faint at heart but if you don't mind cows walking about after their throats have been slit and their tracheas dangling around outside their bodies, then watch.

[arwalden]

86. If Peta Is Involved... Then I'm IMMEDIATELY Suspicious.

Whenever Peta's name crops up as being associated with publicizing any cases of animal abuse or cruelty... my concern diminishes and my suspicious increase.

I wonder how many other people--who would OTHERWISE be concerned--hear the Peta name and then automatically discount EVERYTHING that's reported.

Just like me, those folks hear "Peta" and they instantly associate them with the words "publicity stunt" or "vandalism" or "personal assault" or "harassment".

Peta does more harm that good now. They are setting BACK any advancements that could be made in animal welfare. Nice going Peta!

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[arwalden]

92. You're Welcome, Livinginphotographs! And I Shall Continue To Share...

as often as the subject comes up. Which is also "many many many many" times. :eyes:

Is there a problem with me doing that? Any objections?

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[arwalden]

105. FYI... I Am Opposed To Animal Cruelty.

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[arwalden]

104. Livinginphotographs... That's Unfair. Try Not To Get Personal With Me...

My feelings about Peta, and my feelings about animal welfare are not related.

You may think I'm on an "endless quest to bash"... but that's not true. You may think I'm wasting my time, but I don't. You may think I'm in favor of being cruel to animals, but I'm not.

If you look closely, you'll see that I stated my opinions about PETA... PETA!! -- I did not get personal with you... and I did not say anything in opposition to animal welfare.

-- Allen

[KnowerOfLogic]

140. Or, maybe you're just looking for an excuse not to care. Look,

who cares about PETA? Anyone remotely aware of the world around them knows that the atrocities humans commit against animals know no bounds, and should be universally condemned, regardless of whether PETA brings it to their attention, or anyone else.

[SOS]

88. Another reason not to buy Chinese products.

Personally, I won't buy anything made in China. Ever.
Human rights abuse. Environmental destruction. Slave camps. Mass executions.
And now this revolting news to add to my list.
Disgusting.

[Cadence]

90. Stuff like this makes me wish

I wasn't on this planet anymore. Humans are so unspeakably cruel. I don't understand. :cry:

[roguevalley]

93. I could die when I see stuff like this. What kind of people are these?

[ernstbass]

136. I agree with you

I kept waking up last night thinking about this

[FizzFuzz]

123. Cadence, that's just how I feel too.

I can't stand it.

:hug: :cry:

[HEyHEY]

100. Tempted to buy fur? You either do or you don't

[BearClaws]

107. Well...

I really don't think it matters to the animal being killed if he was killed for food or if he was killed for fashion. (fur)
What does matter is the lingering excruciating pain and torture vs. a quick humane death.

[livinginphotographs]

130. Thank you for at least being (semi)honest.

But lingering excruciating pain and torture is exactly what goes on in our factory farms, never mind the moral implications of being so arrogant that we can rape and pillage whatever species we choose to, just to feed ourselves.

There is no difference between what goes on this video and eating a hamburger. Sorry if that offends anyone, but that's how I feel.

Meat eaters who condemn this kind of thing need to take a long, hard look in the mirror. That's exactly what I did at one point, and I didn't like what I saw.

[Maru Kitteh]

132. Yup, they skin animals alive EVERY DAY in the United States

You call them burgers and bacon. from above post, worth repeating

At the staggering rate of 400 animals per hour in most slaughterhouses the slightest ounce of compassion costs too much time. Animals are often live and aware of what is happening to them when they are hung upside down and skinned. Some are still conscious when their hooves and ears are cut off and they are disemboweled. Dodging large animals that are swinging and struggling for their lives is a serious hazard for the slaughterhouse workers and helps to make it one of the most dangerous occupations in America but the vast majority of the workers will never make a single complaint about their working conditions because they are too afraid of being deported back to Mexico. Most do not speak English and are illiterate in any language. Few would know who they should contact and most all come to this country with a general distrust of authorities.

The giant slaughter houses of Tyson, IBP and others live in a world of no consequences. The filthy conditions in these places cause illness and kill people every day. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates 76 million people suffer foodborne illnesses each year in the United States, accounting for 325,000 hospitalizations and more than 5,000 deaths. Most all of these poisonings are caused by filthy slaughterhouse meat, be that birds, pigs or cows.

We currently have 100 million cattle in this country and we have slaughtered 850,460,000 cows in the last 13 years. Of those eight hundred and fifty million plus cows we have tested a paltry, ridiculously inadequate 57,000 for Mad Cow disease. Many of the most prolific slaughterhouses and those most likely to process at risk cattle have not had so much as a single animal tested. By comparison France tests 66,000 animals per week.

If you want a real eye-opener try googling these three words; Con Agra feces and chili. Yum, yum.

[KnowerOfLogic]

141. Hmm, how can people eat meat after hearing this stuff? nt

[China_cat]

115. I know it's going to sound terribly callous

but if something like this stops people from shopping at WalMart, maybe it's worth it.

[Maru Kitteh]

122. What makes you think they sell this shit only in Wal*Mart?

Burlington Coat factory got some really bad press for selling dog fur coats a few years back.

You could be subsidizing this sick level of brutality whether you buy cheap shit at the dollar store or spend $65,000 at the hottest boutiques in New York. The only way to stop it is to STOP BUYING FUR.

WalMart has exactly dick to do with it. That's a whole separate issue.

[China_cat]

124. I wear fur every day, summer and winter.

I have 4 dogs and 6 cats.

[flvegan]

125. Er...WalMart? Considering

that entities in China were major buyers of breeder mink last year (again) suggests that these farms aren't going the cheap route. You're not going to find too much Blue Iris mink at Wal-Mart.

Additionally, the majority of the sheep that frequent Wal Mart wouldn't stop shopping there if the owners were caught promoting pit bull v. small child fighting, and sacrificing any of the living on an altar to Satan.

Fur is bought by and for selfish idiots. Bottom line.