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tk2kewl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:09 PM Original message |
Why not propose a flat-tax for SS reform to counter piratization |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
1. flat tax is regressive. |
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tk2kewl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. current payroll tax is more regressive than a flat tax |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:45 PM Response to Reply #3 |
22. in that case I agree with you, and it might be a good first step. |
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mdhunter (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
16. Strictly speaking, it's proportional. |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. I call it regressive because while it technically isn't, it ends up being |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:52 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. but the person who has 2k |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:56 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. I'm not saying they should disband SS. |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 12:05 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. because it is fair |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 12:15 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. I sort of agree, and sort of don't. |
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OrwellwasRight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
30. Thank god for somebody who gets the distinction. |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. The housing market would collapse. |
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OrwellwasRight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 01:49 AM Response to Reply #34 |
42. Fuck the housing market. |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 03:22 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. flame bait? |
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OrwellwasRight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 08:20 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. But they won't pay it; |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 03:53 AM Response to Reply #47 |
55. sure ok. |
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OrwellwasRight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 06:19 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. "The primary purpose of it is to discourage the excessive accumulation" |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 12:51 AM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Of course dems oppose estate tax. They're rich. |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:11 AM Response to Reply #42 |
50. your last graph is exactly what i am trying to say. |
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OrwellwasRight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 04:38 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Glad you agree that all should contribute |
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cthrumatrix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 08:15 AM Response to Reply #1 |
45. LOL...that is the plan...that is what they want --- a flat tax or a VAT |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
2. it's not a tax |
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tk2kewl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:13 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. point is that there is a maximum |
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shawcomm (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:20 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Yeah. Remove the cap. |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. no, that is not the point |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Right, remove the cap. Or at least jack it way the hell up there... |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:23 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. so that rich people can get huge benefits? |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Fine. Let them have them, if they paid into the system. |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:39 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. so raising the cap adds nothing |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:48 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. But in your post number 14 you say |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:54 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. sorry, don't follow your complaint |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:50 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Remove the CAP, AND |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 12:13 AM Response to Reply #27 |
37. then it isn't insurance |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 12:56 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. I could sell that to Bubba easily. |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 08:31 AM Response to Reply #37 |
48. Mo, you don't understand how insurance works. |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:02 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. bes, you don't understand |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:13 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Maybe in all the noise in this thread I missed your "solution". |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:32 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. how about |
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Blue Wally (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 06:48 AM Response to Reply #52 |
57. We need to undo |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 07:13 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. you got that straight |
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shawcomm (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:38 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. It's not insurance in the normal sense at all... |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:46 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. absolutely wrong |
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shawcomm (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 12:22 AM Response to Reply #23 |
40. I'd agree that it's like insurance in that you |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 08:16 AM Response to Reply #12 |
46. You don't "have" to do anything of the sort. |
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dweller (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
5. read this and figure |
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nuxvomica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Great explanation of the situation |
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dweller (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:23 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Please pass on the link, thanks. n/t |
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sally343434 (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
7. It already is a flat tax |
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tk2kewl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. right, but the fact theat there is a cap makes it regressive |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. it may be obvious, but it is wrong |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. Oh yeah? Where would *you* set the cap at that is fair, since you love it |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 12:16 AM Response to Reply #24 |
39. how much do you think the maximum payment should be? |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 09:33 AM Response to Reply #39 |
58. Many of us don't think there should be a maximum payment. |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
14. the least the left can do |
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mdhunter (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:41 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. Just a quick note |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:51 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. not the same thing |
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mdhunter (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 08:14 AM Response to Reply #28 |
44. But |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:39 AM Response to Reply #44 |
53. this is wrong. |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
17. and, all you need is more taxpayers |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-05 11:58 PM Response to Reply #17 |
33. So you want to increase immigration, also, to pay for this? |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 12:07 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. so is taking money from people who earned it |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 09:35 AM Response to Reply #36 |
59. Isn't this the basis for all social assistance programs? |
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