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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:42 PM
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I just burned a flag
No. I didn't really. I just wanted to outrage lurking freepers. I have this funky beautiful old flag and I can't bring myself to burn it, but I do feel like burning a flag. It seems to me inevitable that a constitutional amendment banning the desecration of the flag will pass, something I believe is a terrible encroachment on free speech. A minor thing perhaps, but one more indication that all this patriotism on steroids is leading towards Nationalism and as a wise man once said:

"Nationalism is a state of mind in which a man hates
another country, more than he loves his own.""
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:44 PM
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1. Burn a Confederate flag
Direct the anger where it belongs.
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Dzimbowicz Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:45 PM
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9. I am from South Carolina
and I will be willing to supply you with all the confederate flags you would like; that is if you are going to burn them. And, may I provide the matches?
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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:46 PM
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2. I liked Pat Schroeder's (sp) comment last night on Bill Maher
The way to solve the flag burning problem is not to pass a constitutional amendment, but rather to pass a law requiring all flags be made of non-flammable material. *grin.


MZr7
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:58 PM
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4. I've read recently...
don't burn the flag, wash it in protest.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:36 PM
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6. I've heard that one around here
Wash it to try to get the bloodstains out.

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puddycat Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:57 PM
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3. Here is the irony about the freeptards' dislike of burning flags
The prescribed method of disposing of a flag is burning, yet to exercise one's first amendment by burning it is disliked with passion by the right-wing nuts. At the same time, the right-wing nuts pretend to love private property rights, but they want to restrict what you can do with your own property--the flag.

I feel dizzy. Trying to analyzie the freetard's mindset is too much!

At any rate, the day that they make burning flags a crime is when we need to have a mass flag-burning in D.C.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:50 PM
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12. Absolutely...
I was taught in civics class that the way you dispose of an old flag is to burn it in a reverential manner. So I guess we're talking about thought crimes, not flag burning.
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idiosyncratic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:33 PM
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5. I understand the feeling . . .
Over the past couple of years, I've never felt so unpatriotic.

After 9/11, like a lot of people, I displayed a little flag in the back window of my car.

Well, I took it out of that window many months ago.

With * in office, I don't feel as if this is my country anymore. :cry:
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BelleCarolinaPeridot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:46 PM
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10. When Bush talks about America ...
I really don't feel included in that America at all .
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puddycat Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 03:02 PM
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16.  I love my country dearly, only problem is that it doesn't exist anymore
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:43 PM
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7. Okay let's make a new flag.
Take the old swastika one. Put a drawing of Bush's face in the white circle with the swastika over it. Then burn away. Leave Old Glory alone.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:45 PM
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8. that's funny. we ought to get together as a group and post threads
to "call" all the lurking freeps.
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flygal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:49 PM
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11. It's NOT this country I hate - it's *!
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treeleaves Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:16 PM
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13. NEVER PROHIBIT DESECRATION OF THE AMERICAN FLAG
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 02:18 PM by treeleaves
The push to amend the constitution to prohibit desecration of the American Flag scares me about as much as any proposed legislation or amendment. The freedom to express one's viewpoints is fundamental to our system of democracy. We must allow people the freedom to criticize the very system that guarantees this freedom. And because the Flag is the most recognized symbol of our democracy, we can NEVER put restrictions on our citizen's ability to incorporate the Flag in a symbolic protest of our government, including a protest that involves burning the Flag. (Of course, there can certainly be laws against burning things in public, but such laws are passed for reasons other than restricting speech, such as safety concerns, and would be content neutral)

We allow Flag desecration because we have such strong faith in our democracy and the ultimate will of the people that we don't fear political expression, no matter how angry. I doubt that I would EVER be inclined to burn an American flag. But I don't get angry by Flag burning because I know that the SUBSTANCE of our democracy can NEVER be destroyed by burning its SYMBOLS. And in fact, our democracy is strong BECAUSE we allow symbolic criticism.

What does that say about us as a people if we ever begin to fear Flag burners? It says that we no longer trust the First Amendment. Amending the Constitution to prohibit Flag desecration is the first step toward muzzling the right to criticize the decisions of our government. Our Country was BASED in large part on this very right, and we can NEVER let it be taken from us.
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puddycat Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 03:04 PM
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17. good post. Flag burning doesn't upset me. Burning the constitution does
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:21 PM
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14. Display it upside down
as a sign of distress - mine is upside down in my front yard and it looks like it will be for at least 4 years.
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:35 PM
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15. Mine has been upside down since Wednesday.
and if my * supporting neighbor opens his shades, he has to look right at it while he watches tv.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 03:19 PM
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19. I like it - thanks
I'm also going to get one of those stupid flag lapel pins the fake newscasters all were and put it on my jacket - winter is coming so I'll have to wear it everywhere I go.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 03:04 PM
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18. I find it a bit ironic that they have trouble with the thought of burning
a flag, yet have no such compulsions towards revulsions of burning a cross....

whatever...
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