|
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend Bookmark this thread |
This topic is archived. |
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 06:49 PM Original message |
Want proof that FOX, CNN and AP rig the Polls? Here it is. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
troublemaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. If you feel free to toss unwelcome data why bother with polls at all? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Lefta Dissenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 06:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. I like this approach |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 07:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. I don't toss UNWELCOME data! I just showed what we all knew anyway.. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 09:35 AM Response to Reply #14 |
81. IMPORTANT! HERE ARE THE 13 MONTHLY POLL NUMBERS. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 10:35 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Feb-July Average Monthly Poll Numbers: Kerry vs. Bush |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
oldhat (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
2. That's amazing. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
RummyTheDummy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 06:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Right on |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
oldhat (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 06:57 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Take a statistics class. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
RummyTheDummy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 07:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. What? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 07:11 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. Oldhat, how many math degrees do you have? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
HEFFA (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 07:11 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. The real truth isn't even in the numbers; it's in the polling METHOD used |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 08:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
40. "Take a statistics class." Is that an attempt to be clever? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 06:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. They don't, huh? Like they never LIED about Kerry and Gore? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
oldhat (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 07:01 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Methodology |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 07:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Did you read it? Did Murdoch tell you to? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 07:09 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. I don't understand your point. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 07:31 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Oh, right. Their methodology is different. Its called BIASED. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
StandUpGuy (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 07:40 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. Methodology horse shit |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 08:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
38. Oldhat, want some more of this? Come back, wherever you are. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
BillZBubb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 07:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
21. "They don't rig the polls" Wow, I almost couldn't stop laughing! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 09:28 PM Response to Reply #21 |
49. No, they don't rig polls. Only elections. I feel faint. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 08:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
30. That's right oldhat |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 08:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
41. ROFLMAO and I can't get up. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
taxidriver (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
3. ...they show kerry winning, mostly? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 06:54 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Look at the CURRENT poll columns. The projected numbers are mine. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Mz Pip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
4. Must be hard |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 06:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. don't kid yourself... these guys are having to spend all of their ... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 07:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
27. WANT MORE PROOF? LOOK AT THE ACTUAL POLL NUMBERS! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
7. Huh? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 07:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
17. Oh, I see we have a mathematician here. Margins of Error, hmm.. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 08:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
43. Unnecessarily rude comment. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 06:09 PM Response to Reply #17 |
84. Deleted. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
olddem43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
11. I think everyone here agrees that Fox |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
xocolatl (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:48 PM Response to Reply #11 |
66. The more interesting conclusion is that AP is as bad as FOX |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
stellanoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
22. This may be a silly observation but I'm just wondering. . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
xocolatl (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
23. Not a statistically significant difference |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 07:51 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Check the individual poll numbers in post #27, Mr. P-statistic. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
xocolatl (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 08:22 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Naah, too much data entry... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 08:34 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Just copy and paste into Excel. You do this for a living, right? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
xocolatl (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 08:43 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Yah, that's why I object to doing it in my spare time... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
xocolatl (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 09:45 PM Response to Reply #39 |
53. More careful analysis |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:15 PM Response to Reply #53 |
68. Thanks, but no thanks. I prefer an Excel spreadsheet. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
xocolatl (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:26 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Actually I despise SAS and prefer Excel |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:30 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. As one of the critics |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 09:03 AM Response to Reply #72 |
77. A revealing, sad comment; it confirms your total lack of understanding |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 09:25 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. My problem is people who misrepresent what I say |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:28 PM Response to Reply #53 |
71. My mistake was in not showing the individual poll numbers in the |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
xocolatl (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 09:57 PM Response to Reply #39 |
57. I do think you're a bit hard on CNN... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:27 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Nice work. But you should try to explain the methodology in English. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
xocolatl (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:42 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. In English |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
StandUpGuy (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 07:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Grrrr. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
xocolatl (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:03 PM Response to Reply #29 |
58. Just trying to be intellectually honest here |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 08:13 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. xocolatl? Atlanta? CNN? Naw, can't be. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
xocolatl (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 08:20 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Huh? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 09:17 PM Response to Reply #23 |
47. Statistical Significance and P-Value is Irrelevant |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
xocolatl (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 09:35 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Not true, P value is relevant here |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 09:43 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. No, Public Perception Is THE Matter |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
xocolatl (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 09:49 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Calm down |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 09:53 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Calm Down? LOL! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
xocolatl (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 09:55 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Agreed... Statistics aren't everything |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
patcox2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 09:43 AM Response to Reply #51 |
82. Never mind, on edit, I mistook the meaning nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
leyton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
25. Yes, there are three networks with higher-than average numbers for Bush. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:38 PM Response to Reply #25 |
63. Well, if you've watched CNN and FOX, and heard |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Robin Hood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
31. Good job, great re-search. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Elidor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
33. Contrary to what some have said |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 08:16 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. You, my friend, are the voice of reason. And TRUTH. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
35. They should call them what they are : 'Spins' |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
44. Many People Are In Denial About This |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
45. Thanks TruthIsAll, but... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:32 PM Response to Reply #45 |
62. OK, send these numbers to CNN, FOX, AP...all over. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
46. Since these are within the margin of error |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 09:22 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. dsc, I suggest you take a look at post # 27. Just open your eyes. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:07 PM Response to Reply #48 |
59. ABC had a ten point switch in the same time frame |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
52. ALL POLLS ARE INHERENTLY FLAWED.... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
West Coast Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
61. The proof was in the 2000 Election... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
64. Here's what Democrats.com had to say |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:39 PM Response to Reply #64 |
73. They did the same to Gore. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ItsThePeopleStupid (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
67. something you may be interested in - Professor Pollkatz |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:21 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Thanks for the Pollkatz analysis. Seems to confirm my KISS analysis. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
xocolatl (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 12:04 AM Response to Reply #67 |
75. Seems consistent with what I just posted... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 08:51 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Zogby has the BEST track record of all the pollsters. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Phelan (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
74. I've done plenty of data resarch in my day |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 09:16 AM Response to Reply #74 |
79. I am not throwing out the polls, just not using them in my database. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
78. I don't understand ANY of the above... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
85. This is an important thread. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) | Thu Sep 26th 2024, 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
Advertisements [?] |
Top |
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) |
Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators
Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.
Home | Discussion Forums | Journals | Store | Donate
About DU | Contact Us | Privacy Policy
Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.
© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC