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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:06 PM Original message |
House Panel Approves Bill Forcing ISPs to Log Users’ Web History |
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Ruby the Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
1. Okay, this is not good |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Doubleplusungood |
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Maine-ah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. did you see the cosponsors? |
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Ruby the Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:40 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Did Jackson Lee and Wasserman Schultz vote for it in its final form? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 02:06 AM Response to Reply #17 |
66. How different was the final form of the bill from the version Wasserman Schultz co-sponsored? |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:44 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. they always hide their stinkbombs |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 02:03 AM Response to Reply #16 |
65. Stop it! Please do not try to confuse us with facts. |
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PatrynXX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 03:45 AM Original message |
and how many of those are accused sexual perverts. |
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PatrynXX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 03:45 AM Response to Reply #16 |
82. and how many of those are accused sexual perverts. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:53 AM Response to Reply #16 |
101. HR 1981 needs to be renumbered: HR 1984 |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 07:46 AM Response to Reply #16 |
117. "Birds of a feather flock together" nt |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 09:37 AM Response to Reply #16 |
130. Sooner or later, a heroine crashes - Sheila-Jackson Lee. She is no longer a heroine of mine. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 02:39 PM Response to Reply #130 |
178. How could Shelia Jackson Lee have voted for this? Wasserman-Schultz, I get -- !! |
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mntleo2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 10:20 AM Response to Reply #16 |
143. I just cleaned out my computer and ... |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #143 |
200. If police can plant drugs or weapons on you or your car - our isps can plant |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 03:16 AM Response to Reply #2 |
79. Skankery is job one. nt |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:50 AM Response to Reply #2 |
97. 1984 all the way. |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #2 |
166. uh yeah, Democrats AND Republicans. Also, Lamar Smith..he is one of the worst repukes. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:20 AM Response to Reply #1 |
42. Totally misleading headline. |
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Tunkamerica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:50 AM Response to Reply #42 |
54. I am not technically minded but |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 01:12 AM Response to Reply #54 |
60. Yes, the system can be gamed. |
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HillWilliam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 07:29 AM Response to Reply #60 |
113. One doesn't even need wirecutters |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 04:47 PM Response to Reply #113 |
205. I was going for the minimum amount of available equipment. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:38 AM Response to Reply #54 |
93. This person would have to have physical access to your network somewhere |
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Ghost Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 02:28 AM Response to Reply #42 |
72. Yes. Which IDs every packet you sent/received through the net |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 04:32 AM Response to Reply #72 |
83. Which IP's you used to connect is *not* every packet you have sent. |
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Mosaic (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 08:17 AM Response to Reply #42 |
122. You know |
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oviedodem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 08:32 AM Response to Reply #42 |
126. Not entireley..... I do this for a living. It is trivial to simply add in a couple |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #126 |
170. since browsers can keep track of how many have linked into a cite, why don 't they establish the |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 05:18 PM Response to Reply #170 |
208. You're kind of close. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #126 |
206. Tracking that much data requires serious hardware. |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 09:53 AM Response to Reply #42 |
135. Okay, I'm somewhat technically oriented |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 04:54 PM Response to Reply #135 |
207. So, when you connect to your ISP: |
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Ratty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #42 |
183. Yup. That headline is NOT what the bill says |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #183 |
188. "There's nothing about ... credit card information." |
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Ratty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 04:53 PM Response to Reply #188 |
191. I don't understand what "last minute rewrite" means |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:24 PM Response to Reply #191 |
193. the Thomas version seems to be the original |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 04:54 AM Response to Reply #1 |
85. I agree! I have searched for and read about |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
3. Next, we'll hear that this data will be turned over to TSA |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
28. Prolly is already, by other 'ancient' 'retro-active' bill... |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
4. Good time to act on it. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 02:10 AM Response to Reply #4 |
67. They ARE the system. |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
5. names, addresses, phone numbers, credit card numbers, bank account numbers |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:35 AM Response to Reply #5 |
92. Did you read the article? That's not what they're talking about |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
6. My ISP doesn't even have half of that information. And I don't intend to give it to them. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
20. Deleted message |
blank space (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
33. Riiight, |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:24 AM Response to Reply #33 |
45. "Hi big national company, I'd like to set up an account." |
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Tunkamerica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:42 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. how do you pay when you don't pay cash? |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 01:12 AM Response to Reply #49 |
58. I always pay that bill in cash. |
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Tunkamerica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 03:42 AM Response to Reply #58 |
80. Oh, I read the sentence as: "When I'm near the office I pay cash, when I'm not I pay..." |
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blank space (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 01:31 AM Response to Reply #45 |
63. Most people pay by card, |
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Ghost Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 02:35 AM Response to Reply #63 |
74. "I know exactly what I can know about YOU. And it terrifies me beyond belief" |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 05:43 PM Response to Reply #74 |
209. I can't speak for them, but I worked in the spook edge of the industry for a bit. |
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Randypiper (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #45 |
196. Don't think your safe because you you don't give out that info |
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Tunkamerica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:40 AM Response to Reply #33 |
48. envelopes full of quarters |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 02:13 AM Response to Reply #6 |
68. I've never done online banking and never will. |
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Tunkamerica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 03:44 AM Response to Reply #68 |
81. maybe this will make it easier, maybe you already use this |
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Tunkamerica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 02:46 AM Response to Reply #81 |
204. and this |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:52 AM Response to Reply #68 |
99. There are more tellers working today than 30 years ago, even per capita (nt) |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #68 |
177. You don't have to wait |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:50 PM Response to Reply #177 |
195. that is not always possible. trust me. i have tried. sometimes they make it impossible to talk to |
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Newest Reality (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
7. Let me be the first |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:16 AM Response to Reply #7 |
41. Smile. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:57 AM Response to Reply #7 |
102. You aren't the first to reference this, but yeah, room 101 is bad. |
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Dirigo (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #102 |
164. What is the significance of Room 101 ??? |
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JBoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 02:23 PM Response to Reply #164 |
174. From the novel 1984. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #164 |
197. It's from Orwell's 1984 |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #7 |
210. You mean room 641A. |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
8. And when that data gets hacked? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:29 AM Response to Reply #8 |
89. Ooh... somebody will know what my IP address was last month! |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 08:14 AM Response to Reply #89 |
121. Orwell said it best... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 08:58 AM Response to Reply #121 |
127. When I care I use crypto |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 03:05 PM Response to Reply #127 |
182. Three things: |
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w0nderer (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 08:22 PM Response to Reply #182 |
201. happy SA day |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #201 |
212. A huge amount of virtualization systems *rely* on MAC spoofing, |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 08:34 PM Response to Reply #201 |
221. Nobody knows your MAC except link-local nodes anyways |
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w0nderer (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 09:23 PM Response to Reply #221 |
223. It was the legality of Mac spoofing i was wondering about... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 09:46 PM Response to Reply #223 |
224. The namespace for MAC addresses is nearly 300 trillion |
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w0nderer (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 10:54 PM Response to Reply #224 |
225. SA != NA && whitelisted cisco ; odds bite both ways! n/t |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 09:40 AM Response to Reply #121 |
131. even the few centimeters in your skull will be probed! |
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BetsysGhost (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 10:10 AM Response to Reply #131 |
141. mine already is |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
9. House Panel Approves Bill != Bill Becomes Law. nt |
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Ruby the Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Who is claiming it is? |
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blkmusclmachine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
11. UnPatriot Act, Part 2.5 |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
12. WTF! ...another big ol hole for gov privacy abuse. Do we have any rights left? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 02:18 AM Response to Reply #12 |
69. If we do, for heaven's sake, don't tell anyone or we won't have them any longer. |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
13. This is like the feds looking for people's library history after the PATRIOT ACT. |
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Ghost Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 02:40 AM Response to Reply #13 |
75. Would it not imply unjustified entry and search? |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 04:58 AM Response to Reply #75 |
86. 3rd party doctrine. |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
14. OK, I'll confess... |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
15. This is a blackmail ops. My suggestion---everyone log onto a gay porn site at least once |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:40 AM Response to Reply #15 |
47. "PS How will this track pedophiles?" |
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gtar100 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 03:14 AM Response to Reply #47 |
78. If what you are saying is true, then a lot of people are blowing this out of proportion. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:41 AM Response to Reply #78 |
94. "blowing this out of proportion."... 'emocrats' seems to be the current meme. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:59 AM Response to Reply #78 |
103. Incrementalism. |
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rayofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 09:28 AM Response to Reply #15 |
230. Any favorite sites in mind? n/t |
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RandySF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
18. The cosponsor of this POS is our DNC Chair. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 02:20 AM Response to Reply #18 |
70. DLNC. |
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BadgerKid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
19. Why not simply shut down the web sites in question? |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:44 AM Response to Reply #19 |
51. Because this is about more than websites. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
22. LOL, I love how the use "the children" as an excuse |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 07:57 AM Response to Reply #22 |
119. Thank you. nt |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #22 |
167. and they dont think twice about sending their kids to church, where tons of pedos love to grope |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
23. OK, how do we get around this technologically? |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:54 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Maybe https://www.torproject.org/ ? |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:47 AM Response to Reply #25 |
52. TOR doesn't hide when you dialed in. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:49 AM Response to Reply #52 |
96. Right, but if you use Tor, all anybody will know is |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #96 |
186. Is TOR the best way to go? I really don't have anything to hide, but I respect everyone's |
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Tunkamerica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #186 |
192. I tried it for a while last year and it was exceptionally slow |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:13 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Lots of 'FREE' open-air wi-fi access posts around where I live. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:48 AM Response to Reply #30 |
53. +1 |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 01:12 AM Response to Reply #30 |
59. How about using 3G? |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 01:17 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. If you signed up for 3G without using a real name, didn't pay it with a card, etc. |
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westerebus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 07:46 AM Response to Reply #61 |
116. That's what grandmother's second cousins are for. n/t |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:27 AM Response to Reply #23 |
88. Tor. Blind proxies. Point to point encryption. Not doing illegal things online. |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 11:38 AM Response to Reply #88 |
156. "illegal things"..whatever that means. Like going to sites run by anonymous? Reading wikileaks? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #156 |
162. Please explain how this bill will let the Feds know you read something Anonymous posted |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #162 |
211. IIRC, several anonops folks have been nabbed. |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
24. Most of the bill from the article I dont object to |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:52 AM Response to Reply #24 |
55. The article doesn't explain the bill very well. |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:52 AM Response to Reply #55 |
100. Well it said like the phone companies |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #24 |
153. The ISPs already store IPs for a few months, voluntarily. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
26. If this ever reaches his desk President Obama needs to veto it. n/t |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:13 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Don't hold your breath on that one. |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
27. Congress can't pass jack shit for jobs or budget bills or taxes or anything... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 02:26 AM Response to Reply #27 |
71. They con't want to create jobs. They want to be able to surveill anyone and everyone. |
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buckrogers1965 (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
29. Constitutional violation. |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:54 PM Response to Reply #29 |
172. That document is nothing but a museum piece now. |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
32. Thank Jeebus the bu$h/cheneyourself cabal is gone for good! |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
34. They must be finished building the big data storage building in Utah... |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
35. What if the ISP's hard disk that holds that information crashes? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:51 AM Response to Reply #35 |
98. Since their billing systems use that same information... |
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JesterCS (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
36. Peerblock. nuff said =D n/t |
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Tunkamerica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:44 AM Response to Reply #36 |
50. that just stops incoming connections and it's only as good as the lists it uses. |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
37. One more step in a fascist police state, increasing unreasonable surveillance. Anyone |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 08:26 AM Response to Reply #37 |
125. not me |
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saras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:00 AM Response to Original message |
38. It's a plot to sell more hard drives...just where do they expect to KEEP all this data? |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:59 AM Response to Reply #38 |
56. "...businesses keep permanent records of EVERYTHING you buy..." |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:09 AM Response to Original message |
39. Another reason why people won't have to "hate us for our freedom" |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
40. Those fucking idiots can't fix the economy, bring the troops home |
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blackspade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
43. This has nothing to do with protecting children. |
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SoapBox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
44. The RushThugs and PeeParty LOVES them some BIG GOV snooping! |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:26 AM Response to Original message |
46. Remember when they did this to the US Postal Service to track child porn? |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
57. Crap. EVERY DAY IT JUST GETS WORSE! |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 01:18 AM Response to Original message |
62. Incredibly bad reporting by CNET. |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 01:52 AM Response to Original message |
64. Here we go again.... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 02:34 AM Response to Original message |
73. While still in Congress, Mark Foley was known for his crusade against internet pedophiles. |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 03:02 AM Response to Original message |
76. Time to use TOR all the time |
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toddwv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 03:09 AM Response to Original message |
77. This could potentially make free wifi spots illegal. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 04:34 AM Response to Reply #77 |
84. It depends on how the language goes through. |
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hamerfan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 04:59 AM Response to Original message |
87. There already |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:35 AM Response to Reply #87 |
91. That's not a legal question; that's inherent in the technology |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:33 AM Response to Original message |
90. I'm a sysadmin. Any company that isn't already doing this is idiotic |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 06:14 PM Response to Reply #90 |
213. Lots of people don't understand SA culture. |
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w0nderer (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 09:11 PM Response to Reply #213 |
222. hear hear |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-31-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #222 |
228. BOAF and all that. |
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w0nderer (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 09:10 AM Response to Reply #228 |
229. sounds like it comes from the recruitment ad for sysadmins :-p |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:49 AM Response to Original message |
95. This is not good |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 08:06 AM Response to Reply #95 |
120. And yes they are |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 06:07 AM Response to Original message |
108. So what happens when the hackers break into that like they did |
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Evasporque (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 06:32 AM Response to Original message |
109. I hate it when non-technical people make technical decisions. |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 07:22 AM Response to Reply #109 |
112. "The Internet is not a big truck" |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-31-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #112 |
227. Obligatory youtube techno mix: |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 02:56 PM Response to Reply #109 |
181. Not nearly. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 06:18 PM Response to Reply #181 |
214. Depends on if you believe the headline. |
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geckosfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 06:35 AM Response to Original message |
110. Bad bad bad. Bad for the internet economy and business. |
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orbitalman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 07:20 AM Response to Original message |
111. Very Dangerous. n/t |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 07:42 AM Response to Original message |
114. It's good to know this debt impasse hasn't dampened Congress' drive against the 4th Amendment. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 07:42 AM Response to Original message |
115. The plutarchy is very aware that the natives are getting restless. |
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BNJMN (461 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 07:53 AM Response to Original message |
118. '...sponsored by Smith (R-TX) and Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL)" |
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goforit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
123. Repugs will use it to witch-hunt just like McCarthy. |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 08:25 AM Response to Original message |
124. Eric Cantor just wants some fresh kiddie porn sites to look at and figures this will be a good way. |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
128. Murdock and the Connected hack big time -- but we have to provide our personal information |
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Theo Haffey (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
129. The govt. has historically abused these kinds of privileges |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
132. TIA. That's all it is. TIA. Gotta crack down on Anonymous. nt |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
133. Great! This should create LOTS of JOBS!!!!! |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
134. WHAT makes this any different that your LIBRARY reading list?? |
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Mosaic (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
136. Don't post this Raw Story alarmist crap |
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Hugin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #136 |
138. CNet is alarmist? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #138 |
145. CNet also reported it much more accurately |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 06:22 PM Response to Reply #145 |
215. More people need to learn what "cleartext" is. |
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Hugin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
137. News Corpse, Inc. must be delighted at the prospect of fresh meat for their pulp rags. |
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JJW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
139. If they are so conerned abot pedophiles.... |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
140. Hate Radio should be up in arms over this |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 06:25 PM Response to Reply #140 |
216. Every web site already has a record of your visit. |
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N7Shepard (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
142. Good ol' small govt republicans |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #142 |
157. Uh, this is a bipartisan bill. The democrats are just as bad. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
144. And Repigs can be trusted to NEVER misuse this data, like using it |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #144 |
146. Or purge voter rolls |
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arcane1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
147. Yay jobs!!! |
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liberalgunwilltravel (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
148. ISP log |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #148 |
173. Your post needs to be posted in the DU gungeon. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 02:49 PM Response to Reply #173 |
180. So, which registration do you support? Guns or ISP users? |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #180 |
194. ISP users, of course. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #194 |
218. That is incorrect. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 06:28 PM Response to Reply #148 |
217. Welcome to DU! |
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Loge23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
149. America is dead and it's time to leave the corpse. |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
150. Once ISPs are required to store that for a year... |
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colsohlibgal (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
151. Police State Blues |
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colorado_ufo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
152. Get a firewall now - at least it is miniscule protection. |
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apnu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #152 |
158. Firewall won't protect you, but proxies will. www.proxy4free.com (nt) |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 02:29 PM Response to Reply #158 |
175. what difference would that make? |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
154. Republicans believe in Small Government - a govt so small it fits through the keyhole of your door! |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 11:58 AM Response to Reply #154 |
159. Did you not notice that this is a bipartisan bill? Wasserman-Schultz is a democrat. |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
155. It's wrong to make people buy health insurance, but alright to make corporate persons buy memory. |
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apnu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
160. This is impossible to implement. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 06:41 PM Response to Reply #160 |
219. It's not impossible. It's expensive. |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
161. why don't they just get it over with... |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
163. That would be spying on Americans and I think a lawsuit is needed.nt |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
165. This is absolutely horrible. Really bad. Not that things aren't already bad, but.. |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
168. the police state bill. Just wonderful. |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
169. And even with this data, their "intended" purpose couldn't be fulfilled. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #169 |
220. It's about gathering evidence, not preventing outcomes. |
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Mikeystyle (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
171. Republicans complain about "big govement" controlling everything, but that's their aggenda |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
176. This sounds like gun...I mean... excuse me, I-Net user registration! nt |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-31-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #176 |
226. How often do people die from accidentally connecting to the internet? |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
179. this is Orwell and against freedom of speech |
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Blue Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
184. Fuck you big brother |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
185. Ok, this could be fun |
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Faryn Balyncd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
187. And the "tea party" says they "believe in the constitution" !!!! |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #187 |
199. the people pushing this bill aren't even from the teahad party. |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
189. Where are all those anonymizer programs designed for totalitarian 3rd world countries |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
190. Well with News Corp out of the picture, who was going to spy on us?? |
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mother earth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
198. All hail the Patriot Act & the war on terror, guised in a flag |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
202. A totalitarian's dream! |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
203. Form letter for Congress against this. |
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rayofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
231. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) - COSPONSOR!!!! |
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