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Ed Barrow (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 07:07 PM Original message |
Commerce clause can’t require insurance, (VA Attorney General) Cuccinelli says |
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Hawkeye-X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
1. Circumvent the US Constitution, and you will be thrown out, maybe even recalled |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
2. It can if the Supreme Court says it can. |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 08:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. During the depression, USSC upheld a law that prohibited growing |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 05:46 AM Response to Reply #7 |
28. Requiring purchase of a product rom a private vendor (as opposed to |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 05:51 AM Response to Reply #7 |
30. But in our freaky, messed up economy, |
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The Croquist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-09-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
75. I disagree |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
3. This fundamentalist nutter would say anything |
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The Hitman (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 07:45 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Don't |
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Bitwit1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
5. Well then we don't have to buy car insurance anymore do we. |
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Duchess (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 08:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Car Insurance isn't mandatory. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 08:24 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Neither is the health insurance. |
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Duchess (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 08:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. My understanding is that... |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 10:40 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. your understanding is incorrect |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 05:51 AM Response to Reply #19 |
29. Fine, more taxes. Potato, potahtto. A distinction without a substantive difference. |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 06:35 AM Response to Reply #29 |
40. Are people who don't own homes and take the tax deduction being fined? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 09:32 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. There is no deduction for having health insurance. |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 09:05 PM Response to Reply #44 |
62. There isn't now - but there could be. And it should be crafted as a |
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YewNork (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 08:55 AM Response to Reply #14 |
43. You do get fined, but the fines are lower than the cost of insurance |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 09:44 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. I suspect the fines will be raised in due time. n/t |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #43 |
63. But with the HC fine, you still don't get coverage. Now, if they took |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 10:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. It makes no financial sense at all to buy it from private entities |
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area51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 02:30 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. +1 |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 09:49 AM Response to Reply #18 |
49. No financial or moral sense, it creates a cash flow loop sending money back to the |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 06:30 AM Response to Reply #10 |
38. My understanding too - but, they did not really push it this way because they did not want to say |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 08:27 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. It is legal |
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Duchess (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 08:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. From his perspective it doesn't really hurt to try |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 10:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. It's frivolous |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 06:03 AM Response to Reply #21 |
32. OASDI does not require Americans to purchase anything from private vendors. |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 10:14 AM Response to Reply #32 |
50. True enough |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 09:35 AM Response to Reply #21 |
45. It is part of seperation of powers and checks and balances. |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 10:31 AM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Separation of powers and checks and balances |
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Sherman A1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 02:32 AM Response to Reply #13 |
24. Agreed |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 05:59 AM Response to Reply #12 |
31. Please remind me: Which cases held the federal government has power |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 10:32 AM Response to Reply #31 |
52. That's not in the law |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 10:43 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Please that is a dubious distinction. |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 06:42 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. That's your opinion |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 05:15 AM Response to Reply #6 |
26. That is not exactly true... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 06:09 AM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Still,, you don't have to commit suicide, which is the only way out of the health insurance mandate. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 09:38 AM Response to Reply #26 |
46. There may not be conveinent choices but you always have choices. |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. How about something I think we all can agree on... |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 05:35 AM Response to Reply #6 |
27. To approach it differently might negate the constitutional issue. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 06:16 AM Response to Reply #27 |
34. You don't think the SCOTUS can see through or collapse a "step transaction?" |
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YewNork (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 06:29 AM Response to Reply #6 |
37. No car means no requirement for car insurance? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 06:35 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Needs of individuals are not the issue. |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 09:00 PM Response to Reply #37 |
61. Not a good analogy since driving is not a right. Controlling your |
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The Croquist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-09-10 05:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
73. What you said isn't quite true |
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rapturedbyrobots (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 10:17 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. you don't HAVE to buy car insurance |
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Bette Noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 02:35 AM Response to Reply #17 |
25. You don't have to buy health insurance, either. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 06:28 AM Response to Reply #25 |
36. Please see Reply ##s 29 and 34. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
8. Job of Atty' General of Virgina can't require brain cells... |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
9. I don't think Congress is relying on the Commerce Clause. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 08:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. You are correct. It's an excise tax, and states can opt out. n/t |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 10:45 AM Response to Reply #9 |
54. There is no credit or deduction for health insurance. |
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The Croquist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-09-10 05:19 PM Response to Reply #9 |
74. What "Tax and Spend clause"? |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
11. I think the Commerce Clause is interpreted too broadly. |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
16. It is not interstate commerce |
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christx30 (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 01:24 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. How can they use |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 06:41 AM Response to Reply #16 |
42. PLease see Reply #7 re the private veggie garden being under the Commerce Clause. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-09-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #42 |
70. And that is a perfect example of why I think the Clause is too broadly interpreted. nt. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 09:48 PM Response to Reply #16 |
64. "if he can guarantee that no citizen of Virginia will ever seek healthcare anywhere but Virginia" |
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The Croquist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-09-10 07:43 PM Response to Reply #64 |
78. I just wish they would read the Constitution |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-09-10 10:09 PM Response to Reply #64 |
80. Since when... |
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SoapBox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
20. Just bar him from ANY kind of insurance... |
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The Croquist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-09-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #20 |
79. So exactly how does the Federal government have the right to bar him from buying health insurance? |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 06:24 AM Response to Original message |
35. If anyone on DU sides with this anti-gay bigot, I will know the world has ended. |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 06:30 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Huh? The world has ended then, Zynx |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 09:47 AM Response to Reply #39 |
48. It's only a cogent argument to people who know nothing about Constitutional law |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #48 |
55. Name another purchase from private enterprise that has been mandated under federa law. n/t |
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Lord Magus (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-09-10 05:41 PM Response to Reply #55 |
76. Guns and ammunition. |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 01:06 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. Emotions? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 08:29 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. The legal analysis under the controlling case law can be condensed to this: |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 11:04 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. And what is to prevent them |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 11:12 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Completely different deal |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-09-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. You actually kind of make my point |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-09-10 10:18 PM Response to Reply #60 |
81. Once again... |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-09-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #48 |
72. That's just bull and you know it. |
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Bert (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-09-10 01:39 AM Response to Reply #39 |
68. What do you think social security is? |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #35 |
57. I dislike the politician, but I agree with him on this issue |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-09-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #35 |
71. Excuse me? The merits of an argument are not only not necessarily dependent upon |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-09-10 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
67. k |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-09-10 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
77. "The Cooch" was on the local RW talk radio this afternoon still claiming the suit only cost $350 |
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