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ChromeFoundry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:31 PM Original message |
Tech Firms Take More H-1Bs |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
1. This program should not exist in the current economic climate. n/t |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 12:42 AM Response to Reply #1 |
13. +69 trillion |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
32. At one point in our history, we needed guest workers due to sparse population. |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #32 |
99. You're absolutely right. n/t |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 10:10 AM Response to Reply #1 |
57. + a brazillion. |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
2. F'ing disgusting |
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onpatrol98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
3. More Jobs Americans Won't Do, Apparently |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
4. By statute there are 65000 of them per year |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:30 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Are you in IT? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:24 AM Response to Reply #6 |
42. No. But I sure spend a lot of money on it. |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 10:47 AM Response to Reply #42 |
62. +100000000 0000 , Bravo. n/t |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:02 AM Response to Reply #62 |
72. You said you're an H-1B...It would be in your best interest to agree with an immigration lawyer. |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #72 |
107. Are you insinuating something ? I am first and foremost a humanist. |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. I've said nothing "hateful" on this thread. n/t |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:13 AM Response to Reply #42 |
79. Not bashing lawyers, only you |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #79 |
100. You spot a propagandist. Good job keeping track. |
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pezDispenser (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #100 |
104. bullshit |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 12:59 PM Response to Reply #104 |
108. You don't know , they expect you to train them on the Job . n/t |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #104 |
114. BULL SHIT! Are you way out in the sticks? I see the problem where I am - Seattle. |
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pezDispenser (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:54 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. Phoenix here n/t |
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Regret My New Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:59 PM Response to Reply #104 |
118. I know some 'real' RoR developers in need in of work. |
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Regret My New Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:56 PM Response to Reply #42 |
117. Hmmm.. I think most people are blaming the companies who are doing it |
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Thor_MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 07:35 AM Response to Reply #42 |
122. I trained my H1B replacement, so get rid of your preconceptions |
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Lost4words (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 07:49 AM Response to Reply #122 |
124. Amen! nt |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:32 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. They are more highly skilled jobs - we had 3 in one office of 20 alone |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:49 AM Response to Reply #7 |
47. The company has to prove it can and does pay the prevailing wage |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #47 |
52. I hate to tell you this, but companies lie. H1B people have no leverage at all |
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pezDispenser (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 12:49 PM Response to Reply #52 |
105. This is not true |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #52 |
110. Very true. n/t |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. "1. No big effect on the overall job market in a county with 300 million people." |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 01:20 AM Response to Reply #8 |
19. I'm sorry, but you don't have a clue. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 01:24 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. I think it is you that is gravely mistaken |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 01:32 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. I'm sorry... let me confirm this. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 09:12 AM Response to Reply #22 |
48. Im saying the existence of the rampant fraud is a clear indication the program is not about quality |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 10:49 AM Response to Reply #22 |
63. +1000. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:19 AM Response to Reply #22 |
83. The law is flawed because it's difficult to enforce. |
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Thor_MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 07:47 AM Response to Reply #22 |
123. Nice try, making safety standards and replacing workers equivalent. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 01:33 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. They get paid less despite that requirement. |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 02:29 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. And here's the problem with that claim... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:33 AM Response to Reply #23 |
43. A study that "suggests" this to people who want to believe it |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 09:18 AM Response to Reply #43 |
50. "Hiding behind this as support for xenophobia is inexcusable" |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 10:13 AM Response to Reply #43 |
59. Companies lie. My company did. |
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Thor_MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 08:03 AM Response to Reply #43 |
125. I don't know, most people who apolgize for corporations like you appear to be doing |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 10:11 AM Response to Reply #23 |
58. I have the proof |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #58 |
61. "I have the proof... trust me!" |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #61 |
65. I can give you the names of 3 Philippinos who were screwed by this company |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:02 AM Response to Reply #65 |
71. A whole THREE PEOPLE??? OMG! I repent! |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:05 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. What would you accept as proof that people are skirting the laws about pay? n/t |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:09 AM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Clarify your question. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:14 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. What would you accept as proof that... |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:19 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Probably nothing |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:21 AM Response to Reply #82 |
88. agreed |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:24 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Yeah, thats a first, right? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:28 AM Response to Reply #89 |
92. lmao! |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #82 |
90. Next time read the link, then post it. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:31 AM Response to Reply #90 |
94. We actually got a purchasing agent over here on an H1-B |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:31 AM Response to Reply #90 |
95. As I figured |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:37 AM Response to Reply #95 |
97. As *I* figured. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:42 AM Response to Reply #97 |
102. You must be dizzy |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:19 AM Response to Reply #80 |
85. Do you know what a "burden of proof" is? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:27 AM Response to Reply #85 |
91. It's your responsibility because you could respond to it if you wanted to. |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #91 |
93. What??? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:34 AM Response to Reply #93 |
96. I'm not asking you to prove or disprove a claim, just state a criteria that you would accept. n/t |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #96 |
98. Hard. Statistical. Data. -nt |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:42 AM Response to Reply #98 |
103. So to confirm, you would accept anything statistical, even if it's not about workers and salaries? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:07 AM Response to Reply #71 |
75. Clearly the program is perfect because your company is somewhat honest |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:12 AM Response to Reply #75 |
78. Listen Einstein. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:20 AM Response to Reply #78 |
86. Did you not note in one of my posts that ANYBODY who rats out gets blacklisted? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 09:59 AM Response to Reply #19 |
53. Then why did our H1B people practically hit the floor when they found out what we were making? |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #53 |
64. Wow... |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 10:55 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. So all companies are equally honest |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:00 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Deleted message |
HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 10:00 AM Response to Reply #19 |
54. dupe |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #19 |
55. Wages are set by the availability of labor. This is remedial economics. nt |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 10:53 AM Response to Reply #55 |
66. I'm confused... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:20 AM Response to Reply #66 |
87. Agreed on your confusion. The mere existence of a larger labor pool depresses wages. |
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DatManFromNawlins (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:03 AM Response to Reply #19 |
73. I'm sorry, but YOU don't have a clue |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:14 AM Response to Reply #73 |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 02:30 AM Response to Reply #8 |
27. Plus easier to threaten labor |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 04:31 AM Response to Reply #8 |
31. You know that what they're trying to do is affect the salary of American workers. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:18 AM Response to Reply #8 |
41. I need proof IT are out of work in large numbers |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 09:16 AM Response to Reply #41 |
49. "The OP has done millions of posts on DU on this one subject" |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:01 AM Response to Reply #41 |
70. Proof? |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. As others pointed out |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 12:44 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. +69 trillion |
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pezDispenser (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 01:14 AM Response to Reply #9 |
18. 65,000 |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:34 AM Response to Reply #9 |
44. Would that matter? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 11:11 PM Response to Reply #4 |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 02:01 AM Response to Reply #4 |
24. Here is what I want to know... |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 06:17 AM Response to Reply #24 |
33. Of the total 5,804,180 nonimmigrant visas issued in FY 2009, 31,617 were issued to Australians |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 09:43 AM Response to Reply #33 |
51. I am nothing but sarcastic |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 05:24 AM Response to Reply #51 |
120. If you say so. You have harbored this sarcasm awhile. |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 06:31 AM Response to Reply #120 |
121. No really, it is a joke. I'm not complaining about Australians |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:27 AM Response to Reply #24 |
119. Believe me, if the numbers of E3, TN, or whatever visas was in the ballpark as the H-1(b) & L-1 visa... |
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DisgustedTX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 06:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
115. Not if your work environment consists of 80% visa workers |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
5. It's a travesty, how IT workers are treated |
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onpatrol98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 11:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Not Long! |
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Rapier09 (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 11:27 PM Response to Original message |
12. The problem is(いいね) |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 12:50 AM Response to Original message |
16. As an engineering student I feel really concerned. |
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pezDispenser (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 01:13 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. as an engineering student who is really concerned |
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pezDispenser (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 01:24 AM Response to Original message |
20. I am in IT |
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onpatrol98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:10 AM Response to Reply #20 |
36. One of my best friends is an H1B from India |
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daggahead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:36 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Or if your "best friend" is the one you have to train to take your job. n/t |
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onpatrol98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:50 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. +1 |
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pezDispenser (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #39 |
106. why would that only apply to H1B's? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:40 AM Response to Reply #36 |
46. Some layoffs may occur outside that context |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 10:08 AM Response to Reply #46 |
56. What makes you a "progressive"? It's not caring about your fellow man. nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 02:29 AM Response to Original message |
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harry_pothead (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 04:14 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Tell that to the 150 American programmers in Washington State who got mass-fired |
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DatManFromNawlins (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:07 AM Response to Reply #29 |
76. There's a large company, you may have heard of it: |
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onpatrol98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:09 AM Response to Reply #25 |
35. Craziest Rant I've Ever Heard |
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onpatrol98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:16 AM Response to Reply #25 |
38. By the way... |
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harry_pothead (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 04:12 AM Response to Original message |
28. ELIMINATE THE GOD DAMN H1B PROGRAM. |
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harry_pothead (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 04:16 AM Response to Original message |
30. PS: People who hire H1bs for engineering and critical jobs when Americans are avialable... |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 06:37 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. H1B should end ... |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #34 |
101. +1 |
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ramapo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #34 |
111. Incalculable cost |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:35 AM Response to Reply #30 |
45. Oh, Good God! |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #30 |
113. Heads of my former company are guilty of a lot more than H1B abuse |
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daggahead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:13 AM Response to Original message |
37. I have to wonder if the big screw-up @ McAffee ... |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
60. The Take My Job Now link |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 11:19 AM Response to Reply #68 |
84. From the Rules page: |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
112. and why does no one speak about this on capitol hill |
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