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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:16 PM Original message |
President Signs Law Giving Defense Dept Authority To Exempt Photos From Freedom Of Information Act |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
1. Why, the "change" is coming fast and furiously, this morning! |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Yes, it's accelerating! |
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T Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Hey now. Gay people are now protected under hate crimes, even though they still can't serve openly |
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Bette Noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:32 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. He reversed the last-minute oil leases Bush sold just before he left office. |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. They only reversed some of the oil leases. In Alaska they still have the go ahead. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #8 |
66. Hey, don't forget the preemptive Nobel peace price! |
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taggline (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 05:49 AM Response to Reply #66 |
154. "PRICE"...IS RIGHT!! |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 06:13 AM Response to Reply #5 |
157. Authorized stem cell research (not terribly controversial anymore), admits to other |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I can hardly keep up with all this change. |
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taggline (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 05:48 AM Response to Reply #6 |
153. I was going to change the country...but, I changed my mind, instead |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 06:10 AM Response to Reply #153 |
156. Who knew "change" meant getting Olympia Snowe's vote at all costs, though? |
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chadmak09 (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #3 |
49. Not me. |
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tXr (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 05:09 PM Response to Reply #49 |
62. He always was just another politician. |
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empire we are (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #62 |
74. He was merely the lesser of two evils. |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #74 |
87. Obama's first job out of college was with a CIA front company |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:46 PM Response to Reply #87 |
117. Pretty soon we're going to have to change the name of the country to CIA, INC. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #87 |
119. "...the left wing of the ruling class" . .. wanted Eugene McCarthy as Pres...!!! |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 06:29 AM Response to Reply #87 |
158. 1/ That wiki article is not exactly solid. 2/ Even if it is true, do you think a college kid knew |
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twitomy (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:13 PM Response to Reply #62 |
123. You mean people actually bought the "hope and change" schtick? |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 06:59 AM Response to Reply #123 |
163. Some did ---- I never did |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 07:09 AM Response to Reply #123 |
167. And you want the government to be further left? |
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twitomy (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #167 |
206. Depends on the issue... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 09:26 AM Response to Reply #206 |
213. On which things would you like government to be further left? |
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twitomy (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #213 |
225. Wow, I have a following! |
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lefty369 (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
92. Its a good bill. We all saw how enraged |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. Nonsense. The Arab world has already seen the photos.They don't want U to see them |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 07:58 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Covering Bush's ass is a full time job for Obama.Our shame continues |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:00 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. The photos show torture was systemic not isolated and we tortured innocents to death. |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:01 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Now stick your head back in the sand and forget Bush's crimes.Presidents are above the law |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:03 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Indefinite preventive detention???That's what our founding fathers stood for huh |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:04 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Put you hands in your ears but this is the Bush Obama now. and of course... |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:04 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. ...it was Joe Liebermann who snuck that provision into the bill for Obama |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Just like Obama's Joe is making sure the public option is killed like "trigger"Obama wanted |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #102 |
106. Rates not tied to Medicare means premiums for PO will be higher than private plans |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 12:15 PM Response to Reply #106 |
200. see post #199 |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 06:39 AM Response to Reply #95 |
160. Americans ought not know what their government does. Knowledge may affect the way they vote! |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #160 |
196. do you only have one thought at a time |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #196 |
197. and another |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #197 |
198. and another |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #160 |
199. meant to reply to 106 instead of 160...but the sub-thread |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 07:07 AM Response to Reply #95 |
166. It upsets the Sheep to see the dark side of the Revered Military |
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scentopine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #92 |
111. This is wrong on so many levels it is sickening... |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 10:01 AM Response to Reply #111 |
186. Excellent post. |
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scentopine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 10:56 AM Response to Reply #186 |
223. Yes - there are two stimulus programs in USA |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #92 |
118. No ... what prevents torture is holding those responsible for it accountable ... |
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pmorlan1 (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #92 |
120. Delusional |
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astroBspacedog (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #92 |
135. It's a great bill !! |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #135 |
190. Yep, it's the Rumsfeld Doctrine |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 06:32 AM Response to Reply #92 |
159. LOL! |
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Ter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-01-09 01:49 AM Response to Reply #1 |
228. He had no choice |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
2. f'kn bullshit |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
4. More crap. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
7. How very, very hopeful and changealicious! n/t |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
32. I think it's...changiness. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. But you have to admit--it was a fantastic ad slogan. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
67. Was the "testes" a Freudian Slip? LOL ;-) |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. LOL! Didn't even notice that. |
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marasinghe (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
112. a lack of same in our leaders, bring the 'T' word out of your sub-conscious? :) (n/t) |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
128. More like..."Where's the beef?" (nt) |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 07:36 AM Response to Reply #41 |
172. I firmly oppose testes that are less filling. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #32 |
191. Is that like truthiness? |
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Bette Noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
9. Disappointing. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
10. America the Free!!!!! |
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paparush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
11. Transparency? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
13. Freedom Of Some Information Act |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
37. But hell, photos aren't information, right? |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:09 PM Response to Reply #37 |
108. The photos from viet Nam ended that war. |
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marasinghe (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #108 |
122. well, you know - we have a more responsible main-stream media now, than back in the 60's. |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 07:00 AM Response to Reply #122 |
164. If you liked SURGE 1 |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 04:02 AM Response to Reply #108 |
150. Uh, no it didn't. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 06:44 AM Response to Reply #108 |
161. So, the light at the end of the tunnel was a flash bulb? |
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DUlover2909 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #13 |
55. Those photos jeapardize their personal, er I mean National security. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
130. Almost totally Freedom of Some Information Act -- |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 07:13 AM Response to Reply #130 |
168. The best way we can fight for them, IMO, is to donate to the ACLU, which IS fighting for them |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #168 |
189. I'm a contributing member .... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 09:49 AM Response to Reply #189 |
218. Based on your posts, I assumed that. I hope others read my post, though. |
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MsLeopard (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
14. Today's Daily Disappointment |
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Qutzupalotl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
15. I don't think he had a choice |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Neither did Bushler... |
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Qutzupalotl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. CIA contractors started the torture under Bush. |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:30 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Nope, the CIA made Bush start that program. |
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Qutzupalotl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Isn't sarcasm supposed to be funny? |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. About as funny as Obama being controlled by the CIA |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #39 |
182. I guess the DU archives of 2001-2008 are full of posts by you condemning torture then? |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 10:04 AM Response to Reply #182 |
187. I forgive you for that.... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 09:34 AM Response to Reply #187 |
216. To the contrary, you know otherwise. And, I'll take that as a no, the archives of DU are not |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 09:56 AM Response to Reply #216 |
219. If you can signal me where the CIA is holding you.. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 06:51 AM Response to Reply #27 |
162. And Obama has no plans to prosecute Bush, so no threats are necessary. |
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Qutzupalotl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #162 |
201. There could have been threats before Holder's decision not to prosecute. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #201 |
217. I don't think this has a thing to do with the CIA. |
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Xicano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #15 |
53. Yes he had a choice. The CIA isn't Obama's boss. Remember JFK fired CIA Director Allen Dulles |
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Qutzupalotl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 05:03 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. And look where that got him. n/t |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #60 |
68. I am pretty sure that was the point of the OP... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #60 |
131. Yes . . . we had a dead president and Dulles got promoted to Warren Commission--!! |
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Scruffy1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
16. Mission accomplished |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
18. What a chickenshit move by Obama. |
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GreenTea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. We are seeing in some respects, from a corporate & imperialistic standpoint there is no difference. |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
19. Just another of "change we can believe in". |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
21. Upsetting |
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placton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:05 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Obama and Dems |
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guyton (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
23. used to get calls from DSCC et al |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #23 |
50. Agreed. No more Dem party money EVER AGAIN. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 07:05 AM Response to Reply #23 |
165. Fist bump. I am now donating to support the ACLU, Amnesty International and |
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d_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
24. lol |
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tXr (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #24 |
65. What a choice that was. |
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bikingaz (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:28 PM Response to Reply #65 |
126. Obama/Biden promised change of substance |
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lebkuchen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
25. Obama won't get any money from me |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
26. Screwed again. Screw you, Obama! |
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Piewhacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
29. I'm running out of hope and good will, Mr. President. This isn't the change you promised. |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
30. k/r |
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Cherchez la Femme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
31. Ya know... |
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Tim01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
33. I think mayge he was fibbing about that whole transparency thing. |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
35. I'm not happy about the non release of the photos, but |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
36. Just like "health care reform", |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
38. Getting on the HopeMobile! |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:32 PM Response to Reply #38 |
110. Oh, the audacity! |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
40. Which of the two evils (torture, the evidence) is worse? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 07:33 AM Response to Reply #40 |
170. No,. Besides, the last 8 years (including 2009) have given the Taliban and Al Qaeda with more than |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 09:54 AM Response to Reply #40 |
185. P.S. What do you think might give Al Qaeda more recruits, the photos of what occurred during |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
42. So much for transparency....so much for change... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
43. This is just wrong. n/t |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
44. GIve a little take a little. What is the reason for the non transparency |
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joeycola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
45. crapola from our WH!! |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
46. Well, I guess change is only in my pocket. |
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bunnysoft (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
47. Thanks to Joe Liebermann for creating the bill that was just signed n/t |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 07:38 AM Response to Reply #47 |
173. And to the Democratic Congress for passing it and to the Democratic President for |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
48. Yesterday: "YAY HE SIGNED THE HATE CRIMES BILL HE'S SO AWESOME!" |
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chadmak09 (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. and? |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. You really don't understand the nature of a hate crime, do you? |
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Ahpook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #54 |
86. You should be behind bars in both situations, permanently |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #54 |
104. Thought should never be a crime. |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:54 PM Response to Reply #104 |
140. If the crime is done to terrorize others then it is a hate crime. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 12:08 AM Response to Reply #140 |
144. Kind of surprising, isn't it? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 08:00 AM Response to Reply #140 |
176. That is dangerous ground. Besides, why isn't that simply terrorism, which is a crime in itself? |
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chadmak09 (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #54 |
105. you got it wrong |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 02:49 AM Response to Reply #105 |
149. Actually you have very good points there... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 07:57 AM Response to Reply #54 |
175. Good point, but we are always posting/talking about people who get |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #52 |
63. Glenn Beck, is that you? |
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Umbral (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:40 PM Response to Reply #52 |
113. Nonsense, motivation is always a consideration in the judicial process. nt |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 08:15 AM Response to Reply #113 |
177. Motive and opportunity may be considered, but never like this. |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #52 |
202. hate crimes were routinely unpunished in this country |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 07:43 AM Response to Reply #48 |
174. It's about issues--or should be--not about whether Obama is good or bad. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #174 |
224. One day we celebrate, the next we're rending our shirts |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
51. So now they'll take hires pics of all incriminating docs and burn the paper copies |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #51 |
72. Yup....a new loophole. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
56. Champaign Corks popping all over Washington! |
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irislake (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
57. Groan, |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #57 |
69. You already stated the reason the right-wingers hate the French |
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Altoid_Cyclist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 05:43 AM Response to Reply #57 |
152. It's a little worse than that where I live. It's not just the French. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 08:30 AM Response to Reply #57 |
178. If America were demographically and geographically like France, and Congress had not eviscerated the |
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Lena inRI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
58. C E N S O R S H I P . . . |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
59. i'm sure GD:P is already putting a spin on this one |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 09:22 AM Response to Reply #59 |
212. no, actually, it's crickets about this. I asked two of his most ardent, uncritical |
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Grinchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
61. You're doing a Heckuva Job Obama. /golfclap |
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RedCappedBandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
64. What's there to say? It's just pathetic. nt |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
70. These photos are very low on the things I truly care about. |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Without the Abu Ghraib pics, we wouldn't know about the abuse nt |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. But we know about it now and the abuse has been stopped |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 09:40 AM Response to Reply #77 |
183. Re: The abuse (supposedly) having ended, please see Reply #181. |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 09:27 AM Response to Reply #77 |
214. have you been listening all the times he has said that he "wants to look forward, not back" and |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #70 |
89. A torture investigation goes directly back to 9/11, which is why Obama's scared *less |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 09:09 AM Response to Reply #70 |
181. Not sure why you think abuse has ended. Everything I've seen about extraordinary rendition says |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #181 |
195. I believe that the TORTURE has ended |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 10:03 AM Response to Reply #195 |
220. By "abuse, I mostly meant mostly torture.. The purpose of extraordinary rendition is |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
75. Why the Hate? This is a Judgment Call. And the bill INCLUDES transfer of Guantanamo prisoners |
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rollingrock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. Who said anything about prosecuting Bush and Cheney? |
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kaehele (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. yes. let us hope |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:44 PM Response to Reply #75 |
116. Dissent is not hatred. |
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davidpdx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:28 PM Response to Reply #75 |
134. Didn't you know Obama is just Bush with a halloween mask? |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:59 PM Response to Reply #75 |
141. What is he doing, really? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 08:42 AM Response to Reply #141 |
179. Obama is on the side of re-election and also on the side of having as much leeway |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #179 |
205. Maybe, but then as a self-seeking man without integrity, he's on their side. nt |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 10:11 AM Response to Reply #205 |
221. Maybe this is mostly semantics, casey, but, IMO, choosing a side---meaning a set of issues-- |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 08:54 PM Response to Reply #221 |
226. Not when the choice your really making is about where to mine your votes. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 07:23 AM Response to Reply #75 |
169. a/ Why do you equate disagreement/disapproval with hate? B/ Not releasing the photos does NOT |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 11:47 AM Response to Reply #169 |
194. There are some haters here, it seems, and saying something is "myth" is... |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 11:10 PM Response to Reply #75 |
210. "if he holds the presidency, he can make it all up to us" ??? |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 11:17 PM Response to Reply #75 |
211. so you think dissent and disagreement are hatred? wow |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #211 |
222. the nazis felt the same way about dissent |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
76. Major betrayal. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 06:39 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. +1 |
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marasinghe (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:42 PM Response to Reply #76 |
115. agreed. |
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katty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
78. more coverup-photos are the real evidence. |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
80. Let the TRUTH be heard! |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
82. The Audacity of Nope. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. LOL's ...Once he got in there and saw how bad it was he said: |
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:04 PM Response to Reply #82 |
132. yep |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
85. Wow...I can just FEEL that change... |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
88. The Spanish judge may force the DOJ / CIA into an inquiry |
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orbitalman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
90. Why is Obama buying the DOD's bill of goods?? |
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rollingrock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. To the tune of $680 billion |
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2Design (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
93. this sucks - they keep protecting the criminals n/t |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
94. You have got to be kidding. |
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scentopine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
103. Spineless political appeasement and good ol boy wink to torture, rape |
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vssmith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
107. Transparency??? |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
109. What a bunch of shit. Don't want to dirty our little minds, or remind anyone |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
114. Just adds to the levels of secret government -- and moves us in the wrong direction!! |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:54 PM Response to Reply #114 |
121. NWO , no matter how you enamor it. |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
124. Silly question. I know Obama signed it. But if I remember my "Schoolhouse Rock" |
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pleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
125. They throw a bone for everyone to chew on while they stab us in the back |
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eggplant (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
127. I can't possibly be the only one here to see that... |
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humbled_opinion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
129. Maybe he needs a taste of Bush Poll numbers to knock some |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
133. The audacity of....what was that exactly? |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
136. Yeah. Watch the UK ambassador to Ubezistan video for why Lieberman made sure to cover up |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:43 PM Response to Reply #136 |
137. "Boiled alive photos".Bush's torture was systemic and massive and done for political gain |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #137 |
138. Obama cannot cover up our shame.We must hold this mass murdrer accountable |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:49 PM Response to Reply #138 |
139. Tortured for false confessions to say members of AQ, meant OBL,terror training camps etc |
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SaveOurDemocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
142. I never believed all the pretty words ... but, I hoped. |
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PatrynXX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
143. May have to side with Obama on this one.. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 10:14 AM Response to Reply #143 |
188. You should read the thread. Nothing about this is "grey.". Burying the photos is to avoid |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
145. Cover up of the Bush crimes :( n/t |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 12:41 AM Response to Original message |
146. a good time to JOIN the ACLU |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 09:48 AM Response to Reply #146 |
184. +1. And Amnesty International. Or at least act on the issue of torture via Amnesty's website.... |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #184 |
192. here's a kick for that. (eom) |
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harry_pothead (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 12:52 AM Response to Original message |
147. Not the change I voted for. |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 08:14 PM Response to Reply #147 |
209. And thats the point ,what was said ,verse what Is done. |
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ProleNoMore (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
148. Sadly - Much Of The Promised Change Was Merely A Change Of Face |
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rooboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 04:03 AM Response to Original message |
151. Give him a break. He's only been president for (insert number here) months... n/t |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 06:03 AM Response to Original message |
155. The most open administration in history will tell you everything it doesn't mind your knowing. |
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katkat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 07:34 AM Response to Original message |
171. Good for Obama |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 08:45 AM Response to Reply #171 |
180. A voyeuristic love of torture that can be safisfied with generic snuff films? That is what you |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
193. well, censorship. officially. |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #193 |
203. yes...this is censorship |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
204. I take it this is being signed for the guantamo stuff and not the FOIA stuff? |
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Mythbuster (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
207. Well... there goes 6,000+ 9/11 photos we'll never see. n/t |
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t0dd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
208. Quick! |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
215. kick |
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227. kick.... |
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