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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 01:58 PM Original message |
Obama to unveil big increase in required mpg (42 MPG) |
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rcrush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
1. Just curious. Why is it going to take 8 years? |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. It will start being improved in the 2011 models. It's in the story. |
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LaPera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 02:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. So the republicans can steal another election & have plenty of time to reverse it, as always! |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
34. I'd imagine that'd put a massive burden on auto companies trying to retool. |
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inwiththenew (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 07:15 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Exactly |
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kirby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #34 |
104. Now is the perfect time! |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 10:05 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Tools for 2010 are on order or received |
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KakistocracyHater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 01:38 AM Response to Reply #105 |
112. 2016 is TOO LATE, there are car parts NOW that would ennable this |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 07:21 AM Response to Reply #112 |
117. 2011 is possible |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 11:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
62. Absolutely. All they need is that secret technology you have on your hard drive. |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #62 |
71. No secret technology would be required, |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. It's not like they can just dust off the plans to the Geo Metro again |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 11:36 PM Response to Reply #76 |
99. The reference was to "secret" technology, |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 11:43 PM Response to Reply #71 |
100. It will be unless everyone is going to be driving little cars |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 12:50 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. "...unless everyone is going to be driving little cars" |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 02:40 AM Response to Reply #101 |
115. This comment deserves to be the start of a thread in its own right! |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
69. Doing so would shut down all of the auto plants in the US |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
2. It should have happened in the 70's |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
41. It did |
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theoldman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
4. Obama surely knows how to piss off the oil companies. |
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Booster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I've always said that about panty hose. |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 09:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
57. Ha, panty hose! |
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Booster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 08:05 PM Response to Reply #57 |
86. What's the alternative for a woman? Socks? The first thing a |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 09:37 PM Response to Reply #86 |
111. The alternative would be |
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Beartracks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 07:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
47. Planned obsolescence |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
6. Ummm, okay. My 2007 Town and Country gets 34-38 on the highway now. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 08:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
87. Chances are your Spider wouldn't pass safety standards today. |
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Old Coot (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
8. Are SUVs considered cars or light trucks? |
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wysimdnwyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. SUVs are "light trucks" |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 04:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. I don't know of many crossover vehicles which are truck based. |
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kirby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 09:27 AM Response to Reply #21 |
103. You are confused... |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 01:16 PM Response to Reply #103 |
107. Not confused at all, thank you. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 01:56 AM Response to Reply #103 |
113. Several things can qualify a vehicle as a light truck and thus for the lower standards. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
23. They've got to fix the exemptions for those things. nt |
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MrsBrady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
9. you can already get more than that per gallon in Europe |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Due to our early aversion to diesel fuel... |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. In theory, a diesel can run clean for years with appropriate maintenance. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 04:54 PM Response to Reply #12 |
27. Actually the new diesel engines produce almost zero or zero particulate matter |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 09:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
56. Diesel is actually cheaper than unleaded regular in my local stations.. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #10 |
24. And though diesel engines now are completely clean |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 12:32 AM Response to Reply #24 |
64. Me too, a Golf TDI. Runs on biodiesel. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 09:54 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. I'm thinking of trading in my Beetle next year |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 10:54 PM Response to Reply #67 |
98. I want a diesel hybrid. |
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Old Coot (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Historically, fuel has been cheaper in the US than Europe |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
80. I HATE driving an SUV. Big, lumbering, hard to manuver, not easy to |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 08:29 PM Response to Reply #80 |
89. I used to drive a pick-up and I loved it even though I don't watch much TV. |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #80 |
108. I like my CR-V. It gets the same mileage as my VW New Beetle did. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #14 |
88. And when everyone is driving a larger vehicle, it makes it a little scarey |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #14 |
109. LOL - wait, so people who drive SUVs are obese now? |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 10:01 AM Response to Reply #9 |
68. Why don't we have small crappy cars? |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #68 |
79. You mean like Volvos, BMWs, and Mercedes? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
13. A word on what the "requirement" means |
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sellitman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
15. That's the change I voted for! |
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Old Coot (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
16. 35 miles per gallon in 2016 |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
17. Very good! (nt) |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
18. 1951 miles per gallon figures.... |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. In 1974 the AVERAGE MPG fpr passenger cars was 13.75 mpg |
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greenbird (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #18 |
36. Yeah, but |
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uncle ray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
40. mileage results from an economy run are not typical. |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
19. OK, that goes in the "Good for Obama" column. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. It certainly does. And fix the SUV exemptions for mileage. nt |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
25. Not enough, not fast enough, BUT WAY BETTER THAN BUSH! |
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greeneyedboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
26. My 1991 Chevy Cavalier got 34 mpg--20 years later this is the best we can do? n/t |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. for an entire fleet - its a big change |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
29. Good -- but Obama should be demanding electric cars .. . .. |
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Old Coot (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 06:17 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Just how many MPG would an electric car get? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #31 |
43. misplaced |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #31 |
44. See . . ."Who Killed The Electric Car?" . .. probably at your library . . . |
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Unca Jim (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 08:07 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. Ummm... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Right . . . those who leased the cars for years don't know . . . |
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Unca Jim (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 05:49 AM Response to Reply #53 |
65. Well, |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #65 |
70. The California law was sabotaged and overturned . . . |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 08:18 PM Response to Reply #31 |
52. Not MPG, but MPGe (Miles Per Gallon equivalent) |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #31 |
90. The measurement would be miles per ton of carbon produced |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
30. K&R |
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pam4water (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
32. Is this going to be done via the EPA? |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
33. How about, all electric or hyrdogen cars by 2016 instead? |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 08:37 PM Response to Reply #33 |
91. All electric cars would be powered in part by coal, which provides |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
35. This is a total cop out |
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peoli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. This is a huge deal dude. HUGE. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #35 |
48. It's a "deal" all right . . . for the oil companies -- |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #35 |
72. Most of the world will NEVER have solar powered cars. Solar density. |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
38. Needed to have been done sooner but its definitely a start. |
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SeeHopeWin (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
42. Fabulous! Good to see a lefty in the WH!!! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
45. ??? 42 mpg ???? laughable . . . |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 07:46 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Anyone also noticing how gas prices are creeping up again? |
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Unca Jim (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Really? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 08:15 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Volkswagen . .. '64 or so got 33 mpg . . . |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. My 1970 four-on-the floor ragtop bug got 50+ mpg hiway tuned |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 12:28 AM Response to Reply #55 |
63. We had two volks . . . the first one had better mileage than the later model -- !!! |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #55 |
81. So? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Smaller lighter car + fewer cylinders = better mpg. I had a mechanic friend back then |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 08:43 PM Response to Reply #45 |
92. Maybe lightweight two-seater sports cars. |
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moggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 03:15 AM Response to Reply #45 |
116. We did |
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excess_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
54. when do we see politicians riding in one ? n/t |
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tranche (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
58. Not good enough! We should have cold fusion personal hovercraft by now! |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
59. Love the AP's spin on this-- "Obama to tap consumers for emission, mpg standards" |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
60. I was thinking 17 years ago or even better 31 years ago. |
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cambie (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
61. Good thing it didn't take that long |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 06:06 AM Response to Original message |
66. In the 70's, one of the biggest gas savers was the 55 mph maximum... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 11:22 AM Response to Reply #66 |
73. That was Carter too, right? |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 08:44 PM Response to Reply #73 |
93. Yes. His Presidency keeps looking better and better. n/t |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 10:05 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. Not true - see post #96 eom |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 10:03 PM Response to Reply #73 |
96. No, it was Nixon |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 09:15 AM Response to Reply #96 |
102. Thanks... |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #102 |
110. lol I thought it was Ford |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 11:46 AM Response to Reply #96 |
106. Thanks for the correction. n/t |
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IDFbunny (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. I CAN'T DRIVE 55 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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IDFbunny (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. I CAN'T DRIVE 55 !!!!!!!! |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. I with you the 55 limit sucked |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 08:46 PM Response to Reply #75 |
94. Fifty five was fine in a Pinto! n/t |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #66 |
77. We need to find other ways to conserve fuel. A 55 MPH limit would discriminate against people who... |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. All the other ways to conserve fuel suck, too. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 09:46 PM Response to Reply #83 |
95. Most people who live here came because they found a job here. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 01:59 AM Response to Reply #77 |
114. Nobody'd enforce the speed limit in Elko County. |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
84. The devil is in the arithmetic |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. 1.8 billion barrels isn't bad for the first five years. What about the fives years after that? |
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