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douglas9 (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 07:55 AM Original message |
School sued over religious ed |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 08:16 AM Response to Original message |
1. Neither advances or inhibits? Bullshit. That's why it's aimed at such young |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 08:48 AM Response to Reply #1 |
89. Here is the real tragedy |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 11:24 PM Response to Reply #89 |
132. They may be hoping for a stupider America . . . and/or another Bush . . . ??? |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 08:01 AM Response to Reply #132 |
143. To be "fair and balanced" |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #89 |
147. Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Alito were not on the SCOTUS 60 years ago. They may think |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 11:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
131. Right . . . brainwashing has to start early -- |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 04:48 PM Response to Reply #131 |
148. This is why we have to pull back from the slippery slope of faith based initiatives and the |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 01:06 AM Response to Reply #148 |
158. Agree --- let's get our money back . . . Unconstitutional -- |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
2. K&R |
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silverojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-09 01:02 AM Response to Reply #2 |
73. Oh, they understand the separation of church and state, all right |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #73 |
149. Well, what's left of it. |
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livvy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
3. As an elementary public school teacher, I would be very upset. |
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SKKY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 09:04 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. You're a teacher? |
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livvy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 10:06 AM Response to Reply #4 |
15. Not at all! I'll look for your message. n/t |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 09:46 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Excellent comment and I totally agree. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 09:47 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. There was a "release" program in my 1950s grammar |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 09:49 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. So true... |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 09:51 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. That was California...and now, even living in Minnesota, |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 09:56 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I spoke Romanian at home as a child... |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 10:37 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. It's cold, but you get used to it. |
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sunnystarr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #9 |
26. I was in NYC public schools in the 50's |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 06:47 PM Response to Reply #26 |
163. CDD was great for me as a catholic kid, because |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 11:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
133. The courage of this parent must be admired . . .. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 04:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
150. When the kids in my class got released to go to the Catholic Church for religious retreats, the kids |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
5. I would have been enraged over this |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
6. the trailer is on the school grounds, using the school's electricity, etc. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 10:39 PM Response to Reply #6 |
154. Exactly. I have no problem with release programs, but there's no "release" here. |
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T Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
7. Simple solution - proceed with regular class instruction. If the children whose |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 09:48 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. I do understand the sentiment you have.... |
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T Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 10:04 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. These "innocent" children will grow up to be the GOPers of the future. Fuck them.... |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Really? Cuz my parents made me do that shit and I sure didn't grow up to be a GOPer. |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #19 |
85. Me too - my sister and cousins all went - and we're almost all dems now... |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 11:20 AM Response to Reply #14 |
23. Nice, even third-graders are the enemy now? (nt) |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #14 |
67. Marilyn Manson went to Christian Schools. He turned out fine. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 07:45 AM Response to Reply #67 |
141. If you think |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 04:58 PM Response to Reply #67 |
151. These kids are in public schools, at taxpayer expense, though. And the trailers are on school |
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livvy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 10:14 AM Response to Reply #7 |
18. I just couldn't do that. |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 09:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
69. The only problem with that is that it opens |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
16. How could it not? |
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moggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
17. Does it have to be on a weekday? |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 07:46 AM Response to Reply #17 |
142. Or after school. |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
21. They need to go back to Philosophy Courses |
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askeptic (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
22. For Cryin' Out Loud - There's a church every 5 blocks |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
24. All y'all heathens are missing the point. |
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newtothegame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
25. The school should have never implemented, but a lawsuit? |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Yeah, a lawsuit - kind of like the one that brought us Brown v. Board of Ed. |
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newtothegame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Yeah I understand your argument... |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-09 12:15 PM Response to Reply #25 |
77. Prayer in schools...is what this is about. It has ALWAYS... |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
28. I'll say GOOD for the school, it SHOULD BE allowed. |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. It should NOTbe allowed... |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. It SHOULD be. Don't take student's time away from them. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 01:42 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. The students are having time taken away from them, from subjects like science and literature... |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Well, you must then insist there is not enough time in a day. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Schools have limited budgets, and limited time, yes... |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Not so limited that they cannot find time for the parents and students. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. "good atheistic judge" where do you come up with these fascinating misconceptions... |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. A little dull minded today? That was meant as a judge on your side. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. On whose side? n/t |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 09:56 PM Response to Reply #60 |
68. Hmmm. Am I dealing with someone with multiple personalities? /nt |
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TEmperorHasNoClothes (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #36 |
54. Unless it's education of world religions- no |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. No, it's freedom of religion, not religions. |
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askeptic (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Not in Public Schools - with compulsory school attendance laws |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #61 |
94. Students are only compelled to attend basic courses. |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. What about elementary school classes, where... |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #97 |
107. Are you suggesting the students cannot move themselves? |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. I'm talking about what the California Education Code defines... |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #108 |
117. Does that mean that students cannot move? |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. Not without teacher decision and... |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #118 |
121. That makes no sense. |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. You used the term, 'stuck'... |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 09:28 PM Response to Reply #122 |
125. Perhaps the California Education Code has us stuck. |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #56 |
87. And how will non-Christian children be free to make that choice... |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #87 |
95. Simple, they don't attend that room at that time. |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #95 |
116. Not that simple |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #116 |
119. Not that complicated either. |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 10:46 PM Response to Reply #119 |
127. Not unfair, just the way life is |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #127 |
134. Being unfair is not necessary. |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 12:45 AM Response to Reply #134 |
138. You've been given several compelling reasons... |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 06:42 AM Response to Reply #138 |
140. You might try to reread your own signature line. |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 01:46 PM Original message |
As long as there are hard-atheists who go beyond lack, and deny god, you'd be wrong. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
40. And that applies to this lawsuit how? n/t |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. It responded to a different post by and-justice-for-all. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 01:30 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. It looks like a church is running the instruction itself... |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. I would contend it is not preferential unless it displaces another religion. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. That makes absolutely no sense, and since when do death and incarceration enter into it? |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. But it does. It's called a Constitution. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Actually, technically, life and liberty were NOT in the constitution originally... |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. And, if you elevate the Lemon test to an amendment, I'll heed it. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Where would it inhibit religion? This is a fascinating interpretation you came up with... |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. You'll ignore the rest because of one point that did not matter? |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 04:07 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. What classroom is lying fallow in this case? Its a church owned trailer... |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 10:21 PM Response to Reply #58 |
71. That would be one that is not being used. /nt |
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askeptic (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #28 |
64. Yes, Festivito, that is consistent with your previous posts |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 10:19 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. If compulsory, yes, this, however is not. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 11:23 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. The school's purpose is to educate these kids in secular subjects, not make religious instruction... |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-09 01:25 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Let me guess, you're the DEFINER person. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-09 02:00 PM Response to Reply #74 |
82. Like I said, its outside the public school's scope to provide facilities for religious instruction. |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 10:22 AM Response to Reply #82 |
90. Prohibiting use of facility is prohibiting a religious activity there. |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #90 |
99. This is not a free speech argument. This post is not about... |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #99 |
109. It was a PARALLEL to free speech. |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. That's just plain... |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #111 |
115. So was yours. |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #70 |
78. It's about government being prevented...by law... |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 11:40 AM Response to Reply #78 |
92. You need to start at the beginning. /nt |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #92 |
100. Define... |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. What version of the movie "Airplane!" are we in? |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. I'm sorry. I seriously did not understand... |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 03:28 PM Original message |
At approximately which word did you start noticing this confusion? /nt |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. At approximately which word did you start noticing this confusion? /nt |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #70 |
98. You seem not to understand that the First Amendment... |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 07:21 AM Response to Reply #28 |
88. Separation of church and state IS the law already |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #88 |
91. You're right, I should have used "right" instead of "law" |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #91 |
113. It wouldn't have made a difference if you had used "right" |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #113 |
120. Well, I'm not as precise with words as you seem to require. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 06:02 PM Response to Reply #120 |
124. You're the one trying to make this an issue of semantics |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 11:03 PM Response to Reply #124 |
129. Just an overview, review. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 12:41 AM Response to Reply #129 |
137. A review of the overview |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #137 |
146. We agree. Here was my .... |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #146 |
152. This is one of my favorite quotes on the subject... |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 10:20 PM Response to Reply #152 |
153. That IS ... |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:05 PM Response to Reply #137 |
155. Thanks for acknowledging my opinion as my opinion and arguing |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 12:16 AM Response to Reply #155 |
156. The above sums up why your opinions are irrelevant.... |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 01:02 AM Response to Reply #156 |
157. From you, an honor. /nt |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #157 |
160. Unbelievable. |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 06:39 PM Response to Reply #160 |
162. Isn't it though. /nt |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #113 |
123. Great post. n/t |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #28 |
96. First Amendment... |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 02:00 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. Thank you, well aware, so on to the rest... |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Where to begin... |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Glad we can agree on at least some little part. |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #105 |
110. People are entitled to their own opinion... |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 09:40 PM Response to Reply #96 |
126. Much of this issue boils down to the motives of organized religion |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 11:01 PM Response to Reply #126 |
128. OMG, that's hilarious! |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 01:13 AM Response to Reply #128 |
139. I had some help in that one |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 11:13 PM Response to Reply #126 |
130. Not in all cases, but too true for too many cases, and funny too. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 11:32 PM Response to Reply #130 |
135. I would never suggest they were all bad |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 12:19 AM Response to Reply #135 |
136. No one should get a free pass. |
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MountainLaurel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:53 AM Response to Reply #126 |
144. You've hit it dead on |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
30. Do Atheists have a chance to promote their views to the students? |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Atheism is not a religion...nt |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. It is a belief system. |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. It's a lack of belief |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. Lack of belief on the God of Abraham is not an indication of a lack of ALL belief. |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 06:08 PM Response to Reply #52 |
65. In that case, they're not really atheists |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Christians are atheists with regards to the belief in Amun, Jupiter and Quetzalcoatl. |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Self-delete, attached to wrong post. /nt |
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askeptic (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #32 |
63. It is a religious stance and is entitled to equal standing |
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GinaMaria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
51. IIRC, I was sent to CCD after school |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
57. Well, if the program "program neither advances nor inhibits religion," then ... |
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jazzjunkysue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
59. The line was crossed when the teacher delivered the kids, and it was on school property. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. OK, I'm a little mystified here, when I went to public school, as far as I'm aware of, the school... |
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whopis01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #62 |
76. You have really never heard of that? |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-09 12:27 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Perception. That's the problem. I am a teacher. Most districts in most ... |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Nope, never heard of it, we'd have half days, but those were for parent-teacher conferences... |
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GinaMaria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #76 |
93. Never heard of it either |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #59 |
79. I completely agree. There is a huge misunderstanding... |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 02:09 AM Response to Reply #79 |
159. Not only that, the school is really freewheeling down a slippery slope |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #159 |
161. I know. What defines a 'church' or a 'religion'? There is no ... |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-09 01:32 AM Response to Original message |
75. These programs have been around for a long time. |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-09 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
83. Religion pushing it's agenda, imagine. |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-09 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
84. My family did that when I was in school - every Monday. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-09 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
86. Minnesota has (had?) a law allowing released time religious instruction |
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RJ Connors (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
112. And the fact there is a disclaimer in the front of the book which says |
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Torem (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
114. Separation of Church and State |
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zelta gaisma (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
145. i remember this type thing... |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
164. Best-known former Huntington, Ind. schoolchild? None other than J. Danforth Quayle. |
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